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by Nova Cyberia » Thu Jul 18, 2019 12:24 pm
Liriena wrote:Nova Cyberia wrote:I'm not seeing your point?
I didn't say anything inaccurate. The words are limited now, and won't be used in any official capacity by the City of Berkley.
Perhaps, instead of your usual flimsy shitposting and cringy shit, you could actually make a coherent argument?
No? Okay.
I already made an argument: this doesn't matter. It's a minor wording change in bureaucratic texts for one American city. Even as a gesture of inclusivity it's meaningless.
by Liriena » Thu Jul 18, 2019 12:26 pm
Purgatio wrote:Liriena wrote:tfw you don't even understand your own dog-whistles
Please, tell me what exactly you think "cultural marxism" means.
A liberal-progressive cultural movement
Purgatio wrote:as evidenced by the 'safe space' and 'trigger warning' policies being pushed for so hard in higher education.
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by Galloism » Thu Jul 18, 2019 12:26 pm
Page wrote:Purgatio wrote:
Excuse me, what? I said "Cultural Marxism" I said nothing about Jews, dude. Don't read stuff into it.
Fearmongering over "cultural Marxism" is a tactic of white supremacists, and they always blame it on the Jews.
There are people who aren't white supremacists who use the term, but one of the main goals of white supremacists is to normalize their ideology by getting people to unknowingly adapt their dog whistles.
by Liriena » Thu Jul 18, 2019 12:27 pm
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by Nova Cyberia » Thu Jul 18, 2019 12:27 pm
Galloism wrote:Page wrote:
Fearmongering over "cultural Marxism" is a tactic of white supremacists, and they always blame it on the Jews.
There are people who aren't white supremacists who use the term, but one of the main goals of white supremacists is to normalize their ideology by getting people to unknowingly adapt their dog whistles.
This poster knows what's up.
by The Black Forrest » Thu Jul 18, 2019 12:28 pm
by Nakena » Thu Jul 18, 2019 12:28 pm
The Black Forrest wrote:if you mention you are going to go light up a fag.
by Nova Cyberia » Thu Jul 18, 2019 12:29 pm
by Purgatio » Thu Jul 18, 2019 12:29 pm
Liriena wrote:Purgatio wrote:
A liberal-progressive cultural movement
And you've already disqualified yourself.
Marxism and liberalism are diametrically opposed. So if you're going to insist on this conspiracy theory, you might want to drop the "Marxism" label... unless, of course, you're just red-baiting.Purgatio wrote:as evidenced by the 'safe space' and 'trigger warning' policies being pushed for so hard in higher education.
Evidenced how?
by Liriena » Thu Jul 18, 2019 12:29 pm
Nova Cyberia wrote:Liriena wrote:You find it funny but also you're unironically treating it as signs of something Orwellian going on. Which tells me you didn't post this just to have a laugh.
The entire notion of changing words that have been around forever for no other reason that to appease those obsessed with cultural outrage is a bit Orwellian to me.
And also funny.
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by Kowani » Thu Jul 18, 2019 12:30 pm
Valrifell wrote:You can't enforce alterations to language so while dumb, it's ultimately a non-issue.
Nova Cyberia wrote:Liriena wrote:You find it funny but also you're unironically treating it as signs of something Orwellian going on. Which tells me you didn't post this just to have a laugh.
The entire notion of changing words that have been around forever for no other reason that to appease those obsessed with cultural outrage is a bit Orwellian to me.
And also funny.
by Valrifell » Thu Jul 18, 2019 12:30 pm
Nova Cyberia wrote:Liriena wrote:You find it funny but also you're unironically treating it as signs of something Orwellian going on. Which tells me you didn't post this just to have a laugh.
The entire notion of changing words that have been around forever for no other reason that to appease those obsessed with cultural outrage is a bit Orwellian to me.
by Holy Tedalonia » Thu Jul 18, 2019 12:30 pm
The Black Forrest wrote:Purgatio wrote:
Replacing all those terms in municipal codes is likely to cost at least some money. So taxpayers will have the privilege of knowing they paid to have 'gendered language' erased, wasting money on a non-problem
I don't know the Berkeley codes. I really doubt you will find "manhole" in them. Probably, called utility access points. It's what we called them at the government facility I was at.
The outrage is probably more about the reduction of the use of the word man.
Personally; I don't care. It's just words. They change all the time and have different meanings in outer countries.
Here for example; you might get a if you mention you are going to go light up a fag.
by Te Netherlands » Thu Jul 18, 2019 12:30 pm
by Ors Might » Thu Jul 18, 2019 12:30 pm
Galloism wrote:Page wrote:
Fearmongering over "cultural Marxism" is a tactic of white supremacists, and they always blame it on the Jews.
There are people who aren't white supremacists who use the term, but one of the main goals of white supremacists is to normalize their ideology by getting people to unknowingly adapt their dog whistles.
This poster knows what's up.
by Necroghastia » Thu Jul 18, 2019 12:30 pm
Purgatio wrote:Liriena wrote:And you've already disqualified yourself.
Marxism and liberalism are diametrically opposed. So if you're going to insist on this conspiracy theory, you might want to drop the "Marxism" label... unless, of course, you're just red-baiting.
Evidenced how?
Are you asking for evidence of 'safe space' and 'trigger warning' policies? Because they objectively do exist.
by Nova Cyberia » Thu Jul 18, 2019 12:31 pm
by Page » Thu Jul 18, 2019 12:31 pm
Purgatio wrote:Liriena wrote:tfw you don't even understand your own dog-whistles
Please, tell me what exactly you think "cultural marxism" means.
A liberal-progressive cultural movement seeking to upend and undermine traditional modes of being, respect for traditional culture and religion, national pride and identity, historical revisionism and postmodernism, erasing distinctions between races, nations, genders, cultures etc, as evidenced by the 'safe space' and 'trigger warning' policies being pushed for so hard in higher education.
How is that anti-Semitic exactly? I didn't mention the Jews once in that
by Liriena » Thu Jul 18, 2019 12:31 pm
Purgatio wrote:Liriena wrote:And you've already disqualified yourself.
Marxism and liberalism are diametrically opposed. So if you're going to insist on this conspiracy theory, you might want to drop the "Marxism" label... unless, of course, you're just red-baiting.
Evidenced how?
Are you asking for evidence of 'safe space' and 'trigger warning' policies? Because they objectively do exist.
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by Camelone » Thu Jul 18, 2019 12:31 pm
Kowani wrote:Camelone wrote:It's a government changing organically generated words to approved Newspeak, it is ridiculous and also slightly concerning that a governmental body sees the need to alter language when there is no need to adapt to a change in the organically generated vernacular.
Have you ever read any legislation? It’s inorganic already. And at any rate, it’s not like anything besides the maintenance codes are being altered.
Page wrote:Camelone wrote:It's a government changing organically generated words to approved Newspeak, it is ridiculous and also slightly concerning that a governmental body sees the need to alter language when there is no need to adapt to a change in the organically generated vernacular.
Either people will start using the alternative terms or they won't, either way, so be it. Language is constantly evolving and ultimately popular consensus is its only judge.
by Necroghastia » Thu Jul 18, 2019 12:32 pm
Nova Cyberia wrote:Liriena wrote:You find it funny but also you're unironically treating it as signs of something Orwellian going on. Which tells me you didn't post this just to have a laugh.
The entire notion of changing words that have been around forever for no other reason that to appease those obsessed with cultural outrage is a bit Orwellian to me.
And also funny.
by The Black Forrest » Thu Jul 18, 2019 12:32 pm
Page wrote:Purgatio wrote:
Excuse me, what? I said "Cultural Marxism" I said nothing about Jews, dude. Don't read stuff into it.
Fearmongering over "cultural Marxism" is a tactic of white supremacists, and they always blame it on the Jews.
There are people who aren't white supremacists who use the term, but one of the main goals of white supremacists is to normalize their ideology by getting people to unknowingly adapt their dog whistles.
by Valrifell » Thu Jul 18, 2019 12:33 pm
Camelone wrote:Language should evolve by the interactions of the people, and governmental bodies while using more formal language should do its best to reflect the vernacular in a formal well form. "
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