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Berkley to cease using gendered language like "manhole"

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Should other cities remove gendered words from their vocabulary too?

Of course. 'Manhole' is an inherently offensive term.
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No. I like my gendered words the way they are.
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Quarantine Berkley.
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Postby The Sherpa Empire » Thu Jul 18, 2019 12:16 pm

Who fucking cares? They're not banning the words from being used by private citizens or businesses.
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Postby Nova Cyberia » Thu Jul 18, 2019 12:16 pm


Because there isn't. It's just shitposting.
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Postby The Black Forrest » Thu Jul 18, 2019 12:16 pm

Meh.

Non-issue.

How are you hurt by this?
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Postby Nova Cyberia » Thu Jul 18, 2019 12:17 pm

The Black Forrest wrote:Meh.

Non-issue.

How are you hurt by this?

I'm not.

I just find it funny. :)
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Postby Liriena » Thu Jul 18, 2019 12:17 pm


Cultural marxism is an argument in and of itself :dab:

In all seriousness, tho, why are you using an anti-semitic conspiracy theory as an argument?
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Postby Purgatio » Thu Jul 18, 2019 12:18 pm

The Black Forrest wrote:Meh.

Non-issue.

How are you hurt by this?


Replacing all those terms in municipal codes is likely to cost at least some money. So taxpayers will have the privilege of knowing they paid to have 'gendered language' erased, wasting money on a non-problem
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Postby Ors Might » Thu Jul 18, 2019 12:18 pm

Question, if the terms manpower and manhole are no longer being used in reports, why was it indicated that terms like human effort would still be used? Seems somewhat contradictory. Maybe I’m reading a bit into it?
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Postby Scomagia » Thu Jul 18, 2019 12:18 pm

Seems about as dumb as those radfems who call themselves wymyn.
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Postby Purgatio » Thu Jul 18, 2019 12:18 pm

Liriena wrote:
Purgatio wrote:
Yeah I'm not sensing an actual argument being made here

Cultural marxism is an argument in and of itself :dab:

In all seriousness, tho, why are you using an anti-semitic conspiracy theory as an argument?


Excuse me, what? I said "Cultural Marxism" I said nothing about Jews, dude. Don't read stuff into it.
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Postby Liriena » Thu Jul 18, 2019 12:19 pm

Nova Cyberia wrote:
The Black Forrest wrote:Meh.

Non-issue.

How are you hurt by this?

I'm not.

I just find it funny. :)

We live in a brave new age of Newspeak where words that no one outside of the Berkley City Council was offended by previously must now be limited

Hilarious
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Postby Pacomia » Thu Jul 18, 2019 12:19 pm

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Postby Liriena » Thu Jul 18, 2019 12:20 pm

Purgatio wrote:
Liriena wrote:Cultural marxism is an argument in and of itself :dab:

In all seriousness, tho, why are you using an anti-semitic conspiracy theory as an argument?


Excuse me, what? I said "Cultural Marxism" I said nothing about Jews, dude. Don't read stuff into it.

tfw you don't even understand your own dog-whistles

Please, tell me what exactly you think "cultural marxism" means.
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Postby Kowani » Thu Jul 18, 2019 12:20 pm

Purgatio wrote:
The Black Forrest wrote:Meh.

Non-issue.

How are you hurt by this?


Replacing all those terms in municipal codes is likely to cost at least some money. So taxpayers will have the privilege of knowing they paid to have 'gendered language' erased, wasting money on a non-problem

I’m sure that they’ll have to pay a secretary for overtime. :roll:
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Postby Nova Cyberia » Thu Jul 18, 2019 12:21 pm

Liriena wrote:
Nova Cyberia wrote:I'm not.

I just find it funny. :)

We live in a brave new age of Newspeak where words that no one outside of the Berkley City Council was offended by previously must now be limited

Hilarious

I'm not seeing your point?

I didn't say anything inaccurate. The words are limited now, and won't be used in any official capacity by the City of Berkley.

Perhaps, instead of your usual flimsy shitposting and cringy shit, you could actually make a coherent argument?

No? Okay.
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Postby Ors Might » Thu Jul 18, 2019 12:21 pm

Liriena wrote:
Nova Cyberia wrote:I'm not.

I just find it funny. :)

We live in a brave new age of Newspeak where words that no one outside of the Berkley City Council was offended by previously must now be limited

Hilarious

It’s kinda funny.

Pencil pushers, a group of individuals that are ideally professional, do not strike me as the types to require purely gender neutral language in their reports. This is silly but so is any anger directed towards it. Thus funny.
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Purgatio wrote:
Liriena wrote:Cultural marxism is an argument in and of itself :dab:

In all seriousness, tho, why are you using an anti-semitic conspiracy theory as an argument?


Excuse me, what? I said "Cultural Marxism" I said nothing about Jews, dude. Don't read stuff into it.


Fearmongering over "cultural Marxism" is a tactic of white supremacists, and they always blame it on the Jews.

There are people who aren't white supremacists who use the term, but one of the main goals of white supremacists is to normalize their ideology by getting people to unknowingly adapt their dog whistles.
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Postby Liriena » Thu Jul 18, 2019 12:22 pm

Pacomia wrote:Political Correctness is just Newspeak. Change my mind.

People who unironically use terms from Orwell's 1984 to describe contemporary political correctness are doing a disservice to Orwell, have never been anywhere near real-life authoritarianism and need to get out more. Change my mind.
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Postby Purgatio » Thu Jul 18, 2019 12:22 pm

Liriena wrote:
Purgatio wrote:
Excuse me, what? I said "Cultural Marxism" I said nothing about Jews, dude. Don't read stuff into it.

tfw you don't even understand your own dog-whistles

Please, tell me what exactly you think "cultural marxism" means.


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How is that anti-Semitic exactly? I didn't mention the Jews once in that
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Postby Nakena » Thu Jul 18, 2019 12:22 pm

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Purgatio wrote:
Excuse me, what? I said "Cultural Marxism" I said nothing about Jews, dude. Don't read stuff into it.


Fearmongering over "cultural Marxism" is a tactic of white supremacists, and they always blame it on the Jews.

There are people who aren't white supremacists who use the term, but one of the main goals of white supremacists is to normalize their ideology by getting people to unknowingly adapt their dog whistles.


Alot of Alt-Right and 4chan memery has gone mainstream despite the original sources already pretty much dead.

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Postby Ors Might » Thu Jul 18, 2019 12:23 pm

Page wrote:
Purgatio wrote:
Excuse me, what? I said "Cultural Marxism" I said nothing about Jews, dude. Don't read stuff into it.


Fearmongering over "cultural Marxism" is a tactic of white supremacists, and they always blame it on the Jews.

There are people who aren't white supremacists who use the term, but one of the main goals of white supremacists is to normalize their ideology by getting people to unknowingly adapt their dog whistles.

Point of order, most people that I’ve heard use cultural marxism unironically typically blame liberals and lefties, not jews. I don’t think liberals and leftists are codewords for jews.
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Postby Nova Cyberia » Thu Jul 18, 2019 12:23 pm

Page wrote:
Purgatio wrote:
Excuse me, what? I said "Cultural Marxism" I said nothing about Jews, dude. Don't read stuff into it.


Fearmongering over "cultural Marxism" is a tactic of white supremacists, and they always blame it on the Jews.

There are people who aren't white supremacists who use the term, but one of the main goals of white supremacists is to normalize their ideology by getting people to unknowingly adapt their dog whistles.

Now this is funny.

Anyone who isn't a Nazi who uses these terms that aren't inherently Nazi-ish is just playing into the hands of the Nazis.

Now I'm starting to understand the rhetoric, and why you lot shriek "Nazi" at anyone right of center.
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Postby Purgatio » Thu Jul 18, 2019 12:23 pm

Page wrote:
Purgatio wrote:
Excuse me, what? I said "Cultural Marxism" I said nothing about Jews, dude. Don't read stuff into it.


Fearmongering over "cultural Marxism" is a tactic of white supremacists, and they always blame it on the Jews.

There are people who aren't white supremacists who use the term, but one of the main goals of white supremacists is to normalize their ideology by getting people to unknowingly adapt their dog whistles.


Even if the phrase comes from them, white supremacists don't have a copyright on language. When I use the phrase "Cultural Marxism" I don't mean Jews and I doubt the overwhelming majority of people understand it to mean Jews.
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Postby Liriena » Thu Jul 18, 2019 12:24 pm

Nova Cyberia wrote:
Liriena wrote:
We live in a brave new age of Newspeak where words that no one outside of the Berkley City Council was offended by previously must now be limited

Hilarious

I'm not seeing your point?

I didn't say anything inaccurate. The words are limited now, and won't be used in any official capacity by the City of Berkley.

Perhaps, instead of your usual flimsy shitposting and cringy shit, you could actually make a coherent argument?

No? Okay.

I already made an argument: this doesn't matter. It's a minor wording change in bureaucratic texts for one American city. Even as a gesture of inclusivity it's meaningless.
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