West Palm Beach plays "Baby Shark" on repeat

[Pacomia]

I dont think you have dealt with the homeless very much if at all. Most of the homeless folks I know have some sort of mental disability that prevents them from fully integrating into society. Diseases like schizophrenia can have a person look perfectly normal 4 days a week and completely off the wall the other 3. This does not make a person a good candidate for employment, normal housing, or even regular bathing.

While I have sympathy for west palm trying to keep people from shitting in and ruining their public parks. Your attitude about the homeless is wrong and quite frankly disgusting.

What could possibly be disgusting about an attitude that sees a problem as it exists and demands a solution for the good of everyone in society, not just myself? The fact of the matter is Oxford has lots of homeless people around, and in fact many of my fellow students with misplaced empathy issues wanting to give out free money to these people attracts homeless people from around the UK to crowd around the city streets and walkways, which is why this problem exists and has gotten out of hand. Given the sheer number I have to deal with and put up with (and which is frankly exhausting) I think I've dealt sufficiently with these people to form an informed opinion on them and their 'contributions' to society.

You could at least have some respect for them.

[Purgatio]

What could possibly be disgusting about an attitude that sees a problem as it exists and demands a solution for the good of everyone in society, not just myself? The fact of the matter is Oxford has lots of homeless people around, and in fact many of my fellow students with misplaced empathy issues wanting to give out free money to these people attracts homeless people from around the UK to crowd around the city streets and walkways, which is why this problem exists and has gotten out of hand. Given the sheer number I have to deal with and put up with (and which is frankly exhausting) I think I've dealt sufficiently with these people to form an informed opinion on them and their 'contributions' to society.

You could at least have some respect for them.

I can have respect for them and believe they are contributing to social problems and public nuisances and hence needs to be stopped. I can say "we need to crack down on public urination" without disrespecting people who commit public urination. Same thing here. We need to crack down on the homeless population swarming public streets and public spaces, but I have respect for them as individuals.

[Bluelight-R006]

This is messed up. Playing an obnoxious song for people so they’d leave... when you think about the purpose deeply, then listen to that song all over and over again; it’s feels like suicide honestly. I’m not even kidding.

[Nanatsu no Tsuki]

You could at least have some respect for them.

I can have respect for them and believe they are contributing to social problems and public nuisances and hence needs to be stopped. I can say "we need to crack down on public urination" without disrespecting people who commit public urination. Same thing here. We need to crack down on the homeless population swarming public streets and public spaces, but I have respect for them as individuals.

You do realize that some of them have serious mental issues and can’t really help themselves, right?

[Des-Bal]

This doesn't make any sense and I'm a Floridian. I mean, it's not hard to donate to them! But as always, greed and corruption dominates.

They fucking do. Things are being done to help homeless people. There's just one specific place where they cannot sleep and shit without fucking up a revenue stream.

[Purgatio]

I can have respect for them and believe they are contributing to social problems and public nuisances and hence needs to be stopped. I can say "we need to crack down on public urination" without disrespecting people who commit public urination. Same thing here. We need to crack down on the homeless population swarming public streets and public spaces, but I have respect for them as individuals.

You do realize that some of them have serious mental issues and can’t really help themselves, right?

So what? If someone has antisocial personality disorder and they become a serial killer, will you also go "I know he raped and murdered 4 women, but he has a mental issue so it's fine". Mental issues are no excuse for causing social problems for the rest of us. These people need to grow up.

[Ifreann]

Yeah but that would require actual effort. So instead were going to waste money on this stupid solution that will do nothing but show a lack of empathy to people worse off than us and annoy everyone. Because logic is overrated.

No, the question is why these people deserve our help?

Disagree. It doesn't matter whether people deserve help. It matters whether they need help.

Our so-called 'assistance'? Why should the rest of hard-working and peaceful society bear the financial burden for these people's reckless irresponsibility, for the menace they choose to pose to the rest of us clogging up walkways, pathways, streets, littering, defecating and urinating in public places, spreading their disease, risking public hygiene, harassing and pestering passers-by, aggressively-panhandling everywhere, smoking and getting drunk in public, obstacles stopping people from being able to get where they want in peace, posing a public nuisance to everyone else, loitering, trespassing, illegally-occupying areas or erecting public encampments without a licence, littering everywhere, messing up our streets with reckless abandon?

Why should WE have to be held hostage by them? Why should WE bear the economic and financial burden to avoid having to put up with this nuisance, this menace? Why should the burden and onus be on US to solve the problem THESE people created? Why is the burden not on THEM instead?

We should help the homeless because we, society in general, have the resources to help them.

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You are far from alone in detesting the sight of the victims of capitalism.

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Nothing you've said has anything to do with homelessness. People with homes harass and pester others, have poor personal hygiene, they litter, they steal and assault, they loiter, they trespass. But it's only the homeless you dehumanise.

Give me a break with this "victims of capitalism" nonsense, please. These people are not victims.

Of course they are. The prevailing economic system requires that one have a lot of money to exchange for somewhere to live. We don't need to operate that way, we have ample housing that is not in use, we could just give homes to the homeless, but we insist that they pay, and because we do that some people have nowhere to live.

They are the ones who love to commit crime. Who choose to commit crime, all on their own volition. Aggressive panhandling, harassment, loitering, trespassing, illegal encampments, public nuisance, antisocial behaviour, public urination and defecation, littering in public, blocking entrances. They are not the victims here. WE are the victims. We in the rest of society who have to put up with this.

You seeing a homeless person in the street doesn't make you a victim of homelessness. Get the fuck over yourself with this whiny shit. "Wah, I was asked for money and I don't like the smell, make them go away!"

Dehumanise? When have I ever dehumanised the homeless? I have eyes, I see them, and I describe what I see. That's not 'dehumanisation', it's just the unvarnished and uncensored truth.

You dehumanise them when you call them parasites, and no amount of insisting that they really are parasites on your part will change that.

[Nanatsu no Tsuki]

You do realize that some of them have serious mental issues and can’t really help themselves, right?

So what? If someone has antisocial personality disorder and they become a serial killer, will you also go "I know he raped and murdered 4 women, but he has a mental issue so it's fine". Mental issues are no excuse for causing social problems for the rest of us. These people need to grow up.

Not the point at all. At all.

Some of them have serious issues that aren’t solved by “growing up”. I understand the desire to present a facade of order, so as to not affect commerce and tourism. However, your reaction is rather silly.

[Pacomia]

You do realize that some of them have serious mental issues and can’t really help themselves, right?

So what? If someone has antisocial personality disorder and they become a serial killer, will you also go "I know he raped and murdered 4 women, but he has a mental issue so it's fine". Mental issues are no excuse for causing social problems for the rest of us. These people need to grow up.

There’s a difference between rape and murder and asking for money.

[Ifreann]

You do realize that some of them have serious mental issues and can’t really help themselves, right?

So what? If someone has antisocial personality disorder and they become a serial killer, will you also go "I know he raped and murdered 4 women, but he has a mental issue so it's fine". Mental issues are no excuse for causing social problems for the rest of us. These people need to grow up.

Maybe for you, growing up involved getting enough money to cover accommodation. Doesn't work that way for a lot of people.

[Ethel mermania]

I dont think you have dealt with the homeless very much if at all. Most of the homeless folks I know have some sort of mental disability that prevents them from fully integrating into society. Diseases like schizophrenia can have a person look perfectly normal 4 days a week and completely off the wall the other 3. This does not make a person a good candidate for employment, normal housing, or even regular bathing.

While I have sympathy for west palm trying to keep people from shitting in and ruining their public parks. Your attitude about the homeless is wrong and quite frankly disgusting.

What could possibly be disgusting about an attitude that sees a problem as it exists and demands a solution for the good of everyone in society, not just myself? The fact of the matter is Oxford has lots of homeless people around, and in fact many of my fellow students with misplaced empathy issues wanting to give out free money to these people attracts homeless people from around the UK to crowd around the city streets and walkways, which is why this problem exists and has gotten out of hand. Given the sheer number I have to deal with and put up with (and which is frankly exhausting) I think I've dealt sufficiently with these people to form an informed opinion on them and their 'contributions' to society.

Saying no, or yes to giving someone a hand out is not dealing with any human being in any form of substantive manor.

[Hurdergaryp]

So what? If someone has antisocial personality disorder and they become a serial killer, will you also go "I know he raped and murdered 4 women, but he has a mental issue so it's fine". Mental issues are no excuse for causing social problems for the rest of us. These people need to grow up.

Maybe for you, growing up involved getting enough money to cover accommodation. Doesn't work that way for a lot of people.

[Ifreann]

Maybe for you, growing up involved getting enough money to cover accommodation. Doesn't work that way for a lot of people.

Fools, this will double homelessness figures!

[Saxipta]

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Fools, this will double homelessness figures!

I personally chose to believe that those unsightly tramps grow like starfish. When a piece is cut off, it grows into another homeless person. [monocle emoji]

[Ethel mermania]

Maybe for you, growing up involved getting enough money to cover accommodation. Doesn't work that way for a lot of people.

I cant imagine they are very tasty.

[Ifreann]

I cant imagine they are very tasty.

Lash enough MSG on them and it'll be grand.

[Kaztropol]

This thing about moving homeless people out of sight, reminded me about one of the thoughts I had in the past about self-driving vehicles and their social impacts.

Self-driving car, the humans inside don't have to see what's outside. So, with "smart windows" that can display any image you want, you can choose not to see what's actually outside.

So, if your daily journey to/from work takes you past the homeless camp, then, well, you can switch the smart windows to obscure such an eyesore, and not have to have your delicate sensibilities offended by the sight of the destitute.

[Purgatio]

No, the question is why these people deserve our help?

Disagree. It doesn't matter whether people deserve help. It matters whether they need help.

Our so-called 'assistance'? Why should the rest of hard-working and peaceful society bear the financial burden for these people's reckless irresponsibility, for the menace they choose to pose to the rest of us clogging up walkways, pathways, streets, littering, defecating and urinating in public places, spreading their disease, risking public hygiene, harassing and pestering passers-by, aggressively-panhandling everywhere, smoking and getting drunk in public, obstacles stopping people from being able to get where they want in peace, posing a public nuisance to everyone else, loitering, trespassing, illegally-occupying areas or erecting public encampments without a licence, littering everywhere, messing up our streets with reckless abandon?

Why should WE have to be held hostage by them? Why should WE bear the economic and financial burden to avoid having to put up with this nuisance, this menace? Why should the burden and onus be on US to solve the problem THESE people created? Why is the burden not on THEM instead?

We should help the homeless because we, society in general, have the resources to help them.

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Give me a break with this "victims of capitalism" nonsense, please. These people are not victims.

Of course they are. The prevailing economic system requires that one have a lot of money to exchange for somewhere to live. We don't need to operate that way, we have ample housing that is not in use, we could just give homes to the homeless, but we insist that they pay, and because we do that some people have nowhere to live.

They are the ones who love to commit crime. Who choose to commit crime, all on their own volition. Aggressive panhandling, harassment, loitering, trespassing, illegal encampments, public nuisance, antisocial behaviour, public urination and defecation, littering in public, blocking entrances. They are not the victims here. WE are the victims. We in the rest of society who have to put up with this.

You seeing a homeless person in the street doesn't make you a victim of homelessness. Get the fuck over yourself with this whiny shit. "Wah, I was asked for money and I don't like the smell, make them go away!"

Dehumanise? When have I ever dehumanised the homeless? I have eyes, I see them, and I describe what I see. That's not 'dehumanisation', it's just the unvarnished and uncensored truth.

You dehumanise them when you call them parasites, and no amount of insisting that they really are parasites on your part will change that.

Merely having resources to do something doesn't mean those people deserve them. It reminds me of the same entitled mentality that the Incels have when they support 'Sexual Marxism' on the basis that there are people available to have sex but they are not having sex with them. The fact that other people have spare homes doesn't mean they are under any obligation to provide them to these people without their consent, because its still their property and its up to them whether that property is parted with. Its not enough to say 'they need them'. The question is why should other people be forced to see their property rights erased to provide for those needs.

And no, the economic system not giving someone stuff doesn't make them a victim. Person A might demand money from Person B, but Person B says no. This doesn't make Person A a victim of anything. This is a particularly-poisonous and entitled mentality to have about other people's property.

Regardless, its not whiny to point out the social problems the homeless bring. Crime like theft and pickpocketing, public hygiene problems, crowding out streets and walkways, harassment, loitering, trespassing, illegal encampments, public nuisance. This isn't trivial. It interrupts people's day, it interrupts the right of general society to use and enjoy public spaces without putting up with nuisance and harassment, it drives down property prices of neighbouring real estate, it deters tourism.

[Purgatio]

What could possibly be disgusting about an attitude that sees a problem as it exists and demands a solution for the good of everyone in society, not just myself? The fact of the matter is Oxford has lots of homeless people around, and in fact many of my fellow students with misplaced empathy issues wanting to give out free money to these people attracts homeless people from around the UK to crowd around the city streets and walkways, which is why this problem exists and has gotten out of hand. Given the sheer number I have to deal with and put up with (and which is frankly exhausting) I think I've dealt sufficiently with these people to form an informed opinion on them and their 'contributions' to society.

Saying no, or yes to giving someone a hand out is not dealing with any human being in any form of substantive manor.

Why not? I've been forced to put up with their shit enough to know on a personal level the irritation and nuisance caused by these people. I'm speaking from personal experience having to put up with them, what could be more accurate than that.

[Purgatio]

So what? If someone has antisocial personality disorder and they become a serial killer, will you also go "I know he raped and murdered 4 women, but he has a mental issue so it's fine". Mental issues are no excuse for causing social problems for the rest of us. These people need to grow up.

Not the point at all. At all.

Some of them have serious issues that aren’t solved by “growing up”. I understand the desire to present a facade of order, so as to not affect commerce and tourism. However, your reaction is rather silly.

Silly? You trying to excuse irresponsible, reckless and often law-breaking behaviour on the basis of 'oh some of them have anxiety, some of them have mental issues' is silly. Mental issues is not some catch-all excuse that automatically erases bad behaviour. As my serial killer example shows.

[Purgatio]

So what? If someone has antisocial personality disorder and they become a serial killer, will you also go "I know he raped and murdered 4 women, but he has a mental issue so it's fine". Mental issues are no excuse for causing social problems for the rest of us. These people need to grow up.

There’s a difference between rape and murder and asking for money.

Its a matter of degree, but in principle the point stands. You can't just say "they have mental issues" as if that makes bad behaviour and reprehensible conduct okay.

[Pacomia]

There’s a difference between rape and murder and asking for money.

Its a matter of degree, but in principle the point stands. You can't just say "they have mental issues" as if that makes bad behaviour and reprehensible conduct okay.

Fair point.

[Nanatsu no Tsuki]

Not the point at all. At all.

Some of them have serious issues that aren’t solved by “growing up”. I understand the desire to present a facade of order, so as to not affect commerce and tourism. However, your reaction is rather silly.

Silly? You trying to excuse irresponsible, reckless and often law-breaking behaviour on the basis of 'oh some of them have anxiety, some of them have mental issues' is silly. Mental issues is not some catch-all excuse that automatically erases bad behaviour. As my serial killer example shows.

I’m not excusing anything. I’m stating a fact. And yes, your reaction is silly. Very very silly. Why don’t you take a page from your own book and “grow up”?

[The Realm of Platinum]

Not the point at all. At all.

Some of them have serious issues that aren’t solved by “growing up”. I understand the desire to present a facade of order, so as to not affect commerce and tourism. However, your reaction is rather silly.

Silly? You trying to excuse irresponsible, reckless and often law-breaking behaviour on the basis of 'oh some of them have anxiety, some of them have mental issues' is silly. Mental issues is not some catch-all excuse that automatically erases bad behaviour. As my serial killer example shows.

I have mental issues tho
Yes, that's true, not an excuse to act like a scum though. The bad thing about homelessness is how it is hereditary. The only thing that should be hereditary is genetics.

[Nanatsu no Tsuki]

Silly? You trying to excuse irresponsible, reckless and often law-breaking behaviour on the basis of 'oh some of them have anxiety, some of them have mental issues' is silly. Mental issues is not some catch-all excuse that automatically erases bad behaviour. As my serial killer example shows.

I have mental issues tho
Yes, that's true, not an excuse to act like a scum though. The bad thing about homelessness is how it is hereditary. The only thing that should be hereditary is genetics.

Imaginary outrage. No one is excusing bad behavior.