West Palm Beach plays "Baby Shark" on repeat

[New haven america]

Here we go.

You lot constantly whine about how evil socialism and socialists practices are, then when people who know what the fuck they're talking explain that countries with socialists practices are actually very well off, all you can fucking say if "Hur dur! soshal democracy isnt soshilism u pleb!" Even though social democracy is counted as a form of both capitalism and socialism, that's because it's a mixture of the two ffs.

God, when are you going to get some new fucking material? Or can you just not come up with something more original that hasn't been repeated millions of times over?

That is not what socialism is, socialism is when the workers own the means of production. the EU is not socialist. The EU is composed of capitalist states with better social welfare networks than the US. There is a hell of a difference between, "let's seize the means of production", and "lets provide universal health care"

Wow, really? What a groundbreaking revelation you have there.

Did you miss the part where I mentioned socialist practices or the fact that social democracy is considered as both a form of socialism and capitalism (Despite what a no name conservative Danish guy claims)? Yes, you probably did.

[Ethel mermania]

That is not what socialism is, socialism is when the workers own the means of production. the EU is not socialist. The EU is composed of capitalist states with better social welfare networks than the US. There is a hell of a difference between, "let's seize the means of production", and "lets provide universal health care"

Wow, really? What a groundbreaking revelation you have there.

Did you miss the part where I mentioned socialist practices or the fact that social democracy is considered as both a form of socialism and capitalism (Despite what a no name conservative Danish guy claims)? Yes, you probably did.

Yes, yes I did. That said we started from "socialism" not social democracy" which isnt socialism.

[New haven america]

Wow, really? What a groundbreaking revelation you have there.

Did you miss the part where I mentioned socialist practices or the fact that social democracy is considered as both a form of socialism and capitalism (Despite what a no name conservative Danish guy claims)? Yes, you probably did.

Yes, yes I did. That said we started from "socialism" not social democracy" which isnt socialism.

Yes it is, it's literally a mix of socialism and capitalism. That's the entire reason why it was made to begin with. \o/

[Ethel mermania]

Yes, yes I did. That said we started from "socialism" not social democracy" which isnt socialism.

Yes it is, it's literally a mix of socialism and capitalism. That's the entire reason why it was made to begin with. \o/

We are off topic here, but no it is not. The workers do not own the means of production. A capitalist system with a large safety net is not a modified form of socialism.

Anyway back to the topic of bad music for the homeless.

[Cydalia]

god i wish my town was this retarded

[Thermodolia]

They do. See: Literally every country that has adopted it. Capitalism is better.

Yep, the EU is only holding on by a thread, what with the fact that it's the strongest economic entity in the world and people there live in prosperity and have an unprecedented quality of life and wait-

Who would've thought that social democracy wasn't a bad thing?

The EU isn’t socialist dude far from it

[Thermodolia]

Hur dur hur. Socialisms makes everyone poor!1!!1

They do. See: Literally every country that has adopted it. Capitalism is better.

Right... it’s not that maybe those nations where backwaters to begin with. No that can’t be it. And socialism definitely doesn’t bring backwater nations into the first world almost overnight.

[The Realm of Platinum]

A better solution would be fighting the cause of homelessness.

This

[Thermodolia]

Literally none of those countries are Socialists. Will this meme ever fucking die??

Here we go.

You lot constantly whine about how evil socialism and socialists practices are, then when people who know what the fuck they're talking explain that countries with socialists practices are actually very well off, all you can fucking say if "Hur dur! soshal democracy isnt soshilism u pleb!" Even though social democracy is counted as a form of both capitalism and socialism, that's because it's a mixture of the two ffs.

God, when are you going to get some new fucking material? Or can you just not come up with something more original that hasn't been repeated millions of times over?

Social democracy is literally capitalism. It’s not socialism at all. It’s designed to keep the workers from wanting socialism.

[The Realm of Platinum]

Here we go.

You lot constantly whine about how evil socialism and socialists practices are, then when people who know what the fuck they're talking explain that countries with socialists practices are actually very well off, all you can fucking say if "Hur dur! soshal democracy isnt soshilism u pleb!" Even though social democracy is counted as a form of both capitalism and socialism, that's because it's a mixture of the two ffs.

God, when are you going to get some new fucking material? Or can you just not come up with something more original that hasn't been repeated millions of times over?

Social democracy is literally capitalism. It’s not socialism at all. It’s designed to keep the workers from wanting socialism.

Contrast -- market socialism in Yugoslavia, which keeps people away from capitalism.
C'mon, when I was a toddler, I was listening to real music like Sabaton!
(jk, I never heard of them until I was 10)

[Thermodolia]

Yes, yes I did. That said we started from "socialism" not social democracy" which isnt socialism.

Yes it is, it's literally a mix of socialism and capitalism. That's the entire reason why it was made to begin with. \o/

No it’s not. It’s just capitalism designed to look like socialism so the working class don’t get any uppity ideas

[Trinadaed]

This doesn't make any sense and I'm a Floridian. I mean, it's not hard to donate to them! But as always, greed and corruption dominates.

[Thermodolia]

Social democracy is literally capitalism. It’s not socialism at all. It’s designed to keep the workers from wanting socialism.

Contrast -- market socialism in Yugoslavia, which keeps people away from capitalism.
C'mon, when I was a toddler, I was listening to real music like Sabaton!
(jk, I never heard of them until I was 10)

Market socialism is literally the best form of socialism. Also what the fuck does the glorious music of Sabaton have to do with the song baby shark?

[Ifreann]

Contrast -- market socialism in Yugoslavia, which keeps people away from capitalism.
C'mon, when I was a toddler, I was listening to real music like Sabaton!
(jk, I never heard of them until I was 10)

Market socialism is literally the best form of socialism. Also what the fuck does the glorious music of Sabaton have to do with the song baby shark?

Oh man, I want a Sabaton cover of Baby Shark now.

[Thermodolia]

Market socialism is literally the best form of socialism. Also what the fuck does the glorious music of Sabaton have to do with the song baby shark?

Oh man, I want a Sabaton cover of Baby Shark now.

Oh that sounds like a great idea

[Ethel mermania]

Oh man, I want a Sabaton cover of Baby Shark now.

Oh that sounds like a great idea

You people are cruel.

[Nanatsu no Tsuki]

Market socialism is literally the best form of socialism. Also what the fuck does the glorious music of Sabaton have to do with the song baby shark?

Oh man, I want a Sabaton cover of Baby Shark now.

Your cruelty knows no bounds.

[Hammer Britannia]

Oh man, I want a Sabaton cover of Baby Shark now.

Oh that sounds like a great idea

Why are you like this?

[The Realm of Platinum]

Contrast -- market socialism in Yugoslavia, which keeps people away from capitalism.
C'mon, when I was a toddler, I was listening to real music like Sabaton!
(jk, I never heard of them until I was 10)

Market socialism is literally the best form of socialism. Also what the fuck does the glorious music of Sabaton have to do with the song baby shark?

The fact that Sabaton is real music and Baby Shark isn't

[Purgatio]

Imagine actually trying to solve homelessness, man that would be something wouldnt.

Yeah but that would require actual effort. So instead were going to waste money on this stupid solution that will do nothing but show a lack of empathy to people worse off than us and annoy everyone. Because logic is overrated.

No, the question is why these people deserve our help? Our so-called 'assistance'? Why should the rest of hard-working and peaceful society bear the financial burden for these people's reckless irresponsibility, for the menace they choose to pose to the rest of us clogging up walkways, pathways, streets, littering, defecating and urinating in public places, spreading their disease, risking public hygiene, harassing and pestering passers-by, aggressively-panhandling everywhere, smoking and getting drunk in public, obstacles stopping people from being able to get where they want in peace, posing a public nuisance to everyone else, loitering, trespassing, illegally-occupying areas or erecting public encampments without a licence, littering everywhere, messing up our streets with reckless abandon?

Why should WE have to be held hostage by them? Why should WE bear the economic and financial burden to avoid having to put up with this nuisance, this menace? Why should the burden and onus be on US to solve the problem THESE people created? Why is the burden not on THEM instead?

[Purgatio]

I'll admit the neighbourhood I live in in Singapore might not have the most affordable housing prices, but I don't think anyone's socioeconomic status has any bearing on their ability to form a sound opinion on a real public problem and concern. I'm clearly not the only one. Oxford City Council passed a series of anti-vagrancy and anti-homeless legislation because voters here are increasingly-irritated about the problem. So at the very least its not just me who is getting annoyed.

You are far from alone in detesting the sight of the victims of capitalism.

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People want to avoid getting harassed, pestered, exposed to noxious smells and poor hygiene, tripping over trash and litter left on the pavement, fearing theft or assault from vagrants, loitering and trespassing on private property. This has nothing to do with hiding poverty and everything to do with cleaning up the streets of a real public nuisance and menace.

Nothing you've said has anything to do with homelessness. People with homes harass and pester others, have poor personal hygiene, they litter, they steal and assault, they loiter, they trespass. But it's only the homeless you dehumanise.

Give me a break with this "victims of capitalism" nonsense, please. These people are not victims. They are the ones who love to commit crime. Who choose to commit crime, all on their own volition. Aggressive panhandling, harassment, loitering, trespassing, illegal encampments, public nuisance, antisocial behaviour, public urination and defecation, littering in public, blocking entrances. They are not the victims here. WE are the victims. We in the rest of society who have to put up with this.

Dehumanise? When have I ever dehumanised the homeless? I have eyes, I see them, and I describe what I see. That's not 'dehumanisation', it's just the unvarnished and uncensored truth.

[Pacomia]

You are far from alone in detesting the sight of the victims of capitalism.

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Nothing you've said has anything to do with homelessness. People with homes harass and pester others, have poor personal hygiene, they litter, they steal and assault, they loiter, they trespass. But it's only the homeless you dehumanise.

Give me a break with this "victims of capitalism" nonsense, please. These people are not victims. They are the ones who love to commit crime. Who choose to commit crime, all on their own volition. Aggressive panhandling, harassment, loitering, trespassing, illegal encampments, public nuisance, antisocial behaviour, public urination and defecation, littering in public, blocking entrances. They are not the victims here. WE are the victims. We in the rest of society who have to put up with this.

Dehumanise? When have I ever dehumanised the homeless? I have eyes, I see them, and I describe what I see. That's not 'dehumanisation', it's just the unvarnished and uncensored truth.

Problems:
“Ugh this guy is asking me for money”
vs.
“I haven’t eaten in 2 days and have nowhere to go where I can change that.”
Which one is worse?

[Ethel mermania]

Yeah but that would require actual effort. So instead were going to waste money on this stupid solution that will do nothing but show a lack of empathy to people worse off than us and annoy everyone. Because logic is overrated.

No, the question is why these people deserve our help? Our so-called 'assistance'? Why should the rest of hard-working and peaceful society bear the financial burden for these people's reckless irresponsibility, for the menace they choose to pose to the rest of us clogging up walkways, pathways, streets, littering, defecating and urinating in public places, spreading their disease, risking public hygiene, harassing and pestering passers-by, aggressively-panhandling everywhere, smoking and getting drunk in public, obstacles stopping people from being able to get where they want in peace, posing a public nuisance to everyone else, loitering, trespassing, illegally-occupying areas or erecting public encampments without a licence, littering everywhere, messing up our streets with reckless abandon?

Why should WE have to be held hostage by them? Why should WE bear the economic and financial burden to avoid having to put up with this nuisance, this menace? Why should the burden and onus be on US to solve the problem THESE people created? Why is the burden not on THEM instead?

I dont think you have dealt with the homeless very much if at all. Most of the homeless folks I know have some sort of mental disability that prevents them from fully integrating into society. Diseases like schizophrenia can have a person look perfectly normal 4 days a week and completely off the wall the other 3. This does not make a person a good candidate for employment, normal housing, or even regular bathing.

While I have sympathy for west palm trying to keep people from shitting in and ruining their public parks. Your attitude about the homeless is wrong and quite frankly disgusting.

[Purgatio]

Give me a break with this "victims of capitalism" nonsense, please. These people are not victims. They are the ones who love to commit crime. Who choose to commit crime, all on their own volition. Aggressive panhandling, harassment, loitering, trespassing, illegal encampments, public nuisance, antisocial behaviour, public urination and defecation, littering in public, blocking entrances. They are not the victims here. WE are the victims. We in the rest of society who have to put up with this.

Dehumanise? When have I ever dehumanised the homeless? I have eyes, I see them, and I describe what I see. That's not 'dehumanisation', it's just the unvarnished and uncensored truth.

Problems:
“Ugh this guy is asking me for money”
vs.
“I haven’t eaten in 2 days and have nowhere to go where I can change that.”
Which one is worse?

Who cares which is worse? It doesn't change the fact that it's a problem and West Palm Beach was trying to solve it. Maybe this Baby Shark idea is terrible in terms of efficacy but there are other solutions. Hostile architecture. Anti-homeless legislation which prohibits and aggressively cracks down on activities like panhandling, loitering and illegal encampments in public spaces, to clear and clean up the streets and public squares once more.

[Purgatio]

No, the question is why these people deserve our help? Our so-called 'assistance'? Why should the rest of hard-working and peaceful society bear the financial burden for these people's reckless irresponsibility, for the menace they choose to pose to the rest of us clogging up walkways, pathways, streets, littering, defecating and urinating in public places, spreading their disease, risking public hygiene, harassing and pestering passers-by, aggressively-panhandling everywhere, smoking and getting drunk in public, obstacles stopping people from being able to get where they want in peace, posing a public nuisance to everyone else, loitering, trespassing, illegally-occupying areas or erecting public encampments without a licence, littering everywhere, messing up our streets with reckless abandon?

Why should WE have to be held hostage by them? Why should WE bear the economic and financial burden to avoid having to put up with this nuisance, this menace? Why should the burden and onus be on US to solve the problem THESE people created? Why is the burden not on THEM instead?

I dont think you have dealt with the homeless very much if at all. Most of the homeless folks I know have some sort of mental disability that prevents them from fully integrating into society. Diseases like schizophrenia can have a person look perfectly normal 4 days a week and completely off the wall the other 3. This does not make a person a good candidate for employment, normal housing, or even regular bathing.

While I have sympathy for west palm trying to keep people from shitting in and ruining their public parks. Your attitude about the homeless is wrong and quite frankly disgusting.

What could possibly be disgusting about an attitude that sees a problem as it exists and demands a solution for the good of everyone in society, not just myself? The fact of the matter is Oxford has lots of homeless people around, and in fact many of my fellow students with misplaced empathy issues wanting to give out free money to these people attracts homeless people from around the UK to crowd around the city streets and walkways, which is why this problem exists and has gotten out of hand. Given the sheer number I have to deal with and put up with (and which is frankly exhausting) I think I've dealt sufficiently with these people to form an informed opinion on them and their 'contributions' to society.