West Palm Beach plays "Baby Shark" on repeat

[Scomagia]

It gets them to stop loitering around storefronts and harassing people in that area. That, I believe, was the point.

The point is to keep people from seeing homeless people. Every other point is auxiliary to that point.

Nope. Pretty sure its about not letting vagrants hassle people who are trying to shop.

[Scomagia]

It gets them to stop loitering around storefronts and harassing people in that area. That, I believe, was the point.

There won't be anyone to harass if they play that god-awful song. It'll drive out EVERYONE, causing a major hit to their economy.

That's fair. I never said it was a good solution.

[Jebslund]

Yes, I'm sure one city can end homelessness. :roll:

I mean, they can end it in their city. But why would they want to do that? It would take money better spent on driving everyone away and vanity projects and effort better spent on the campaigns of the city officials.

It comes down to laziness and the fact that people are uncomfortable with seeing that there is a problem, and unwilling to do what is necessary to fix it.

[Heloin]

The point is to keep people from seeing homeless people. Every other point is auxiliary to that point.

Nope. Pretty sure its about not letting vagrants hassle people who are trying to shop.

I've worked with people who design these systems, they know and will readily agree that these only have to do with keep homeless people out of sight and out of mind. You don't publicly admit that because normal people generally don't like things happening purely to harass members of society. It's a cheap solution to make people feel better because then they don't have to see homeless people.

[Scomagia]

Nope. Pretty sure its about not letting vagrants hassle people who are trying to shop.

I've worked with people who design these systems, they know and will readily agree that these only have to do with keep homeless people out of sight and out of mind. You don't publicly admit that because normal people generally don't like things happening purely to harass members of society. It's a cheap solution to make people feel better because then they don't have to see homeless people.

Not taking your anecdote as data, sorry. It conflicts with my anecdotes that the goal of these programs is often to make people feel safer when carrying out economic activity.

[Scomagia]

Yes, I'm sure one city can end homelessness.

I mean, they can end it in their city. But why would they want to do that? It would take money better spent on driving everyone away and vanity projects and effort better spent on the campaigns of the city officials.

It comes down to laziness and the fact that people are uncomfortable with seeing that there is a problem, and unwilling to do what is necessary to fix it.

I'm sure you have a source that this city can end homelessness all on its own. Let's see the city's budget and where the extra money is for this homelessness eradication program. I'll wait.

[Purgatio]

The homeless are a public nuisance, pure and simple. They crowd around the streets making walking a hassle, they eat nauseating foods in public, they are a menace to hygiene, they harass and disturb and panhandle people trying to get to school or work, they loiter and trespass and create illegal encampments and block entrances to buildings. Cities and municipalities have every right to want to drive them out of public spaces for the benefit of their people.

[Torrocca]

I mean, they can end it in their city. But why would they want to do that? It would take money better spent on driving everyone away and vanity projects and effort better spent on the campaigns of the city officials.

It comes down to laziness and the fact that people are uncomfortable with seeing that there is a problem, and unwilling to do what is necessary to fix it.

I'm sure you have a source that this city can end homelessness all on its own. Let's see the city's budget and where the extra money is for this homelessness eradication program. I'll wait.

I love how Jeb says, "this city can end its own homeless problem," in response to you saying they can't end homelessness at all, and you just double down on your original premise instead of accepting that it's definitely possible for WPB to end its own homelessness issue.

[Pacomia]

The homeless are a public nuisance, pure and simple. They crowd around the streets making walking a hassle, they eat nauseating foods in public, they are a menace to hygiene, they harass and disturb and panhandle people trying to get to school or work, they loiter and trespass and create illegal encampments and block entrances to buildings. Cities and municipalities have every right to want to drive them out of public spaces for the benefit of their people.

Are there a lot of homeless in your city?

[Scomagia]

I'm sure you have a source that this city can end homelessness all on its own. Let's see the city's budget and where the extra money is for this homelessness eradication program. I'll wait.

I love how Jeb says, "this city can end its own homeless problem," in response to you saying they can't end homelessness at all, and you just double down on your original premise instead of accepting that it's definitely possible for WPB to end its own homelessness issue.

Prove that it's possible. Show me the money, as they say.

[Loben The 2nd]

so long as it works.

[Kowani]

The homeless are a public nuisance, pure and simple. They crowd around the streets making walking a hassle, they eat nauseating foods in public, they are a menace to hygiene, they harass and disturb and panhandle people trying to get to school or work, they loiter and trespass and create illegal encampments and block entrances to buildings. Cities and municipalities have every right to want to drive them out of public spaces for the benefit of their people.

A point could be made that doesn’t actually solve anything.

[Pacomia]

so long as it works.

Don't worry, it won't!

[Heloin]

I've worked with people who design these systems, they know and will readily agree that these only have to do with keep homeless people out of sight and out of mind. You don't publicly admit that because normal people generally don't like things happening purely to harass members of society. It's a cheap solution to make people feel better because then they don't have to see homeless people.

Not taking your anecdote as data, sorry. It conflicts with my anecdotes that the goal of these programs is often to make people feel safer when carrying out economic activity.

Sure. You're anecdotes are city councils telling people that these aren't meant to keep homeless people out of sight, out of mind. My anecdotes are working with people who design them, working with Parks and Rec on where they should go, and being sent out to install things like this. What do I know.

[Heloin]

so long as it works.

They don't generally.

[Scomagia]

The homeless are a public nuisance, pure and simple. They crowd around the streets making walking a hassle, they eat nauseating foods in public, they are a menace to hygiene, they harass and disturb and panhandle people trying to get to school or work, they loiter and trespass and create illegal encampments and block entrances to buildings. Cities and municipalities have every right to want to drive them out of public spaces for the benefit of their people.

A point could be made that doesn’t actually solve anything.

Depends on what the goal is. If the goal is to get rid of aggressive panhandling and such in this area, it'll probably work to some degree.

[Loben The 2nd]

so long as it works.

They don't generally.

play it louder.

[Purgatio]

The homeless are a public nuisance, pure and simple. They crowd around the streets making walking a hassle, they eat nauseating foods in public, they are a menace to hygiene, they harass and disturb and panhandle people trying to get to school or work, they loiter and trespass and create illegal encampments and block entrances to buildings. Cities and municipalities have every right to want to drive them out of public spaces for the benefit of their people.

Are there a lot of homeless in your city?

Back home in Singapore, no. But I'm a student in Oxford and there are homeless people swarming around. They come from all over the country to Oxford because do-gooder students give them money and shit and its attracting them here to fill up the streets and menace peaceful citizens. They need to leave and get out of Oxford immediately.

[Purgatio]

The homeless are a public nuisance, pure and simple. They crowd around the streets making walking a hassle, they eat nauseating foods in public, they are a menace to hygiene, they harass and disturb and panhandle people trying to get to school or work, they loiter and trespass and create illegal encampments and block entrances to buildings. Cities and municipalities have every right to want to drive them out of public spaces for the benefit of their people.

A point could be made that doesn’t actually solve anything.

Of course it solves something, it gets these menaces out of a particular public space, in this case West Palm Beach, so everyday citizens can enjoy its amenities without unwanted harassment and disturbance

[Heloin]

They don't generally.

play it louder.

The point of these stupid system is not to be effective, it's to win votes because it looks like you did something. If you make the speakers loader then that will actually drive people away and that's not what West Palm Beach wants.

[Kowani]

A point could be made that doesn’t actually solve anything.

Depends on what the goal is. If the goal is to get rid of aggressive panhandling and such in this area, it'll probably work to some degree.

Perhaps.

A point could be made that doesn’t actually solve anything.

Of course it solves something, it gets these menaces out of a particular public space, in this case West Palm Beach, so everyday citizens can enjoy its amenities without unwanted harassment and disturbance

Having to listen to Baby Shark is an unwanted fucking disturbance.

[Andsed]

This idea is just ridiculous. All it does is annoy everyone including tourist and customers while not addressing the actual problem here. It is a waste of money that could have gone to much more useful and needed things.

[Pacomia]

Are there a lot of homeless in your city?

Back home in Singapore, no. But I'm a student in Oxford and there are homeless people swarming around. They come from all over the country to Oxford because do-gooder students give them money and shit and its attracting them here to fill up the streets and menace peaceful citizens. They need to leave and get out of Oxford immediately.

I live in a large city known for its homeless problem. I see very little of what you've described. I think you have a very small sample size of the homeless population and are regarding that as an accurate depiction of the global homeless population. I know that over here, the largest problem with the homeless is all the needles they're leaving around everywhere. You also could be making a mountain out of a molehill.

[Purgatio]

Back home in Singapore, no. But I'm a student in Oxford and there are homeless people swarming around. They come from all over the country to Oxford because do-gooder students give them money and shit and its attracting them here to fill up the streets and menace peaceful citizens. They need to leave and get out of Oxford immediately.

I live in a large city known for its homeless problem. I see very little of what you've described. I think you have a very small sample size of the homeless population and are regarding that as an accurate depiction of the global homeless population. I know that over here, the largest problem with the homeless is all the needles they're leaving around everywhere.

I've been here for three years and these people are swarming everywhere, literally almost every street I see them crawling about. I think I've gathered a large enough representative sample size to form an informed opinion about these parasites.

[Ifreann]

Always fun to see the lengths people will go to to avoid seeing poverty.