by Bluelight-R006 » Thu Jul 18, 2019 6:23 am
by The Sherpa Empire » Thu Jul 18, 2019 6:31 am
by Bluelight-R006 » Thu Jul 18, 2019 6:33 am
The Sherpa Empire wrote:"Should we forsake tradition for the sake of safety?" is too general to answer.
Should we ban wooden buildings in the name of fire safety? No. Wooden buildings are nice.
by The Sherpa Empire » Thu Jul 18, 2019 6:34 am
Bluelight-R006 wrote:The Sherpa Empire wrote:"Should we forsake tradition for the sake of safety?" is too general to answer.
Should we ban wooden buildings in the name of fire safety? No. Wooden buildings are nice.
I did say certain tradition, which meant the tradition that is not mostly danger-proof.
by Highever » Thu Jul 18, 2019 6:36 am
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by ImperialRussia » Thu Jul 18, 2019 6:41 am
by Ifreann » Thu Jul 18, 2019 6:42 am
Highever wrote:Building homes out of wood is hardly a Japanese exclusive tradition. Besides what is the alternative? We all live in totalitarian architecture style block homes built entirely of concrete?
by Demoness » Thu Jul 18, 2019 6:46 am
by Yuyencia » Thu Jul 18, 2019 6:52 am
by Risottia » Thu Jul 18, 2019 7:01 am
Bluelight-R006 wrote:My point is: Certain traditions—in this case, the tradition to build buildings out of wood—may not be suited to help people.
by Risottia » Thu Jul 18, 2019 7:20 am
Highever wrote:Building homes out of wood is hardly a Japanese exclusive tradition. Besides what is the alternative? We all live in totalitarian architecture style block homes built entirely of concrete?
by Highever » Thu Jul 18, 2019 7:39 am
Risottia wrote:Highever wrote:Building homes out of wood is hardly a Japanese exclusive tradition. Besides what is the alternative? We all live in totalitarian architecture style block homes built entirely of concrete?
Of course, totally, that's the only option. Either wooden cabins or 50's era blocks.
Jolthig wrote:Use Soresu and not Juyo.
Charlie Chaplin wrote:Nothing is permanent in this wicked world, not even our troubles.
by An Alan Smithee Nation » Thu Jul 18, 2019 8:02 am
by Nanatsu no Tsuki » Thu Jul 18, 2019 8:04 am
Bluelight-R006 wrote:The Sherpa Empire wrote:"Should we forsake tradition for the sake of safety?" is too general to answer.
Should we ban wooden buildings in the name of fire safety? No. Wooden buildings are nice.
I did say certain tradition, which meant the tradition that is not mostly danger-proof.
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by Zordennox » Thu Jul 18, 2019 8:18 am
Bluelight-R006 wrote:I’ve recently come up with the idea for this topic.
Recently, as you may have heard: The Kyoto Animation’s studio was burnt down, and 33 people [confirmed] died. According to this tweet (when translated), says that the fire spread across the building easily because of the wood, and spiral staircase inside the building.
Another scenario is the 1995 Kobe earthquake, which led fires to start in wooden homes, close next to each other. Thus allowing the fire to easily spread to other houses. And because of unwanted road blockades (e.g. debris), the firefighters couldn’t reach the fire to extinguish it. Thus providing much more inconvenience to the affected people.
My point is: Certain traditions—in this case, the tradition to build buildings out of wood—may not be suited to help people. They are not fireproof, for example, and they get people into harm’s way.
Thus, should we still practice certain traditions? Or re-evaluate what we do and start abandoning them for the sake of safety? How about not a total eradication, but the tradition is carried on in small towns, where it wouldn’t be that devastating of an impact should a fire take place. Or how about we find solutions to this problem, perhaps by spacing out the wooden houses (in this case)?
What’s your opinion?
by Risottia » Thu Jul 18, 2019 9:43 am
Highever wrote:But I also fail to see how if this is a safety issue how from that perspective cramming hundreds of people into a glass tower like is pictured is safer than a wooden house.
by Castelia » Thu Jul 18, 2019 9:51 am
by Kowani » Thu Jul 18, 2019 10:13 am
Zordennox wrote:Bluelight-R006 wrote:I’ve recently come up with the idea for this topic.
Recently, as you may have heard: The Kyoto Animation’s studio was burnt down, and 33 people [confirmed] died. According to this tweet (when translated), says that the fire spread across the building easily because of the wood, and spiral staircase inside the building.
Another scenario is the 1995 Kobe earthquake, which led fires to start in wooden homes, close next to each other. Thus allowing the fire to easily spread to other houses. And because of unwanted road blockades (e.g. debris), the firefighters couldn’t reach the fire to extinguish it. Thus providing much more inconvenience to the affected people.
My point is: Certain traditions—in this case, the tradition to build buildings out of wood—may not be suited to help people. They are not fireproof, for example, and they get people into harm’s way.
Thus, should we still practice certain traditions? Or re-evaluate what we do and start abandoning them for the sake of safety? How about not a total eradication, but the tradition is carried on in small towns, where it wouldn’t be that devastating of an impact should a fire take place. Or how about we find solutions to this problem, perhaps by spacing out the wooden houses (in this case)?
What’s your opinion?
Traditions are very important for humans because they connect us to collective experiences with a historical connection. There are practical reasons, and some would say perennial truths, for every tradition.
by Zordennox » Thu Jul 18, 2019 10:22 am
Kowani wrote:Zordennox wrote:
Traditions are very important for humans because they connect us to collective experiences with a historical connection. There are practical reasons, and some would say perennial truths, for every tradition.
1)And tradition for tradition’s sake is the worst possible argument. 2)There is no culture, besides a few isolated tribes, that has conserved every part of their culture. 3)There are definitely no practical reasons for a lot of traditional practices.
by EastKekistan » Thu Jul 18, 2019 10:29 am
by Kowani » Thu Jul 18, 2019 10:32 am
Yes necessarily. It’s a cheap emotional tactic with no actual logic.
Nope. Consumerism is a part of western culture in general and American culture in particular. That aside, something “anti-cultural” would be multiculturalism with no assimilation.2) Modern consumerism, materialism, and secularism could hardly be described as cultural, they're anti-cultural or post-cultural. Cultures are based on traditions.
I know. The problem is that the reasons tend to be either very, very bad, or the tradition itself is harmful.3) Not at all true. Every established tradition has a reason behind why it was established.
by EastKekistan » Thu Jul 18, 2019 10:34 am
Kowani wrote:Yes necessarily. It’s a cheap emotional tactic with no actual logic.Zordennox wrote:
1) Not necessarily.Nope. Consumerism is a part of western culture in general and American culture in particular. That aside, something “anti-cultural” would be multiculturalism with no assimilation.2) Modern consumerism, materialism, and secularism could hardly be described as cultural, they're anti-cultural or post-cultural. Cultures are based on traditions.I know. The problem is that the reasons tend to be either very, very bad, or the tradition itself is harmful.3) Not at all true. Every established tradition has a reason behind why it was established.
by Zordennox » Thu Jul 18, 2019 10:41 am
Kowani wrote:Yes necessarily. It’s a cheap emotional tactic with no actual logic.Zordennox wrote:
1) Not necessarily.Nope. Consumerism is a part of western culture in general and American culture in particular. That aside, something “anti-cultural” would be multiculturalism with no assimilation.2) Modern consumerism, materialism, and secularism could hardly be described as cultural, they're anti-cultural or post-cultural. Cultures are based on traditions.I know. The problem is that the reasons tend to be either very, very bad, or the tradition itself is harmful.3) Not at all true. Every established tradition has a reason behind why it was established.
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