America Cuts Turkey From The NATO F-35 Deal

[Loben The 2nd]

tbh we should also cut Britain out of the F-35 too.

I am entirely unclear on UK electronic security or integration with non-ally systems, so I couldn't begin to speak on it.

when the cold war began they basically handed the russians a rolls royce jet engine and they put that bitch into what became the Mig-15.

[Kernen]

I am entirely unclear on UK electronic security or integration with non-ally systems, so I couldn't begin to speak on it.

when the cold war began they basically handed the russians a rolls royce jet engine and they put that bitch into what became the Mig-15.

I can think of many reasons to give an enemy technical information. Unfortunately, I can think of no reason to do so with a piece of mechanical or metallurgical engineering, as opposed to software or electronic engineering.

Of course, that was now 70 years ago.

[Loben The 2nd]

when the cold war began they basically handed the russians a rolls royce jet engine and they put that bitch into what became the Mig-15.

I can think of many reasons to give an enemy technical information. Unfortunately, I can think of no reason to do so with a piece of mechanical or metallurgical engineering, as opposed to software or electronic engineering.

Of course, that was now 70 years ago.

it dominated the skies over korea until the introduction of the F-86.

if they did something that mindnumblingly stupid then, whats stopping them now?

[Demorvian]

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[Fartsniffage]

I am entirely unclear on UK electronic security or integration with non-ally systems, so I couldn't begin to speak on it.

when the cold war began they basically handed the russians a rolls royce jet engine and they put that bitch into what became the Mig-15.

Before the Cold War began. But whatever.

[Loben The 2nd]

when the cold war began they basically handed the russians a rolls royce jet engine and they put that bitch into what became the Mig-15.

Before the Cold War began. But whatever.

Started when ww2 ended, do try to be realistic about the matter.

[Novus America]

I can think of many reasons to give an enemy technical information. Unfortunately, I can think of no reason to do so with a piece of mechanical or metallurgical engineering, as opposed to software or electronic engineering.

Of course, that was now 70 years ago.

it dominated the skies over korea until the introduction of the F-86.

if they did something that mindnumblingly stupid then, whats stopping them now?

Eh, they have changed a lot. Admittedly that part still annoys us to no end, but you cannot hold something against them forever.

They learned some when it was British pilots getting killed by Attlee being a dumbass.

Plus they gave us the tech for the Harrier.

[Novus America]

good on US, now we need to find a new buyer.

Maybe Korea wants a few.

Greece is interested. Which would be pretty funny.
Sell the Turkey ones to Greece. But we have lots of potential buyers lined up.

Singapore, Greece, Romania, Spain and Poland are all wanting to buy some.
Unfortunately our defense industry, after years of devastating cuts in the 90s until recently has a hard time keeping up with demand. Hopefully we can reopen some factories to help.

[Kernen]

I can think of many reasons to give an enemy technical information. Unfortunately, I can think of no reason to do so with a piece of mechanical or metallurgical engineering, as opposed to software or electronic engineering.

Of course, that was now 70 years ago.

it dominated the skies over korea until the introduction of the F-86.

if they did something that mindnumblingly stupid then, whats stopping them now?

70 years of not mishandling intelligence.

If one strike knocks you out of the ball game, the US shouldn't be involved in intelligence at all.

[Fartsniffage]

it dominated the skies over korea until the introduction of the F-86.

if they did something that mindnumblingly stupid then, whats stopping them now?

Eh, they have changed a lot. Admittedly that part still annoys us to no end, but you cannot hold something against them forever.

They learned some when it was British pilots getting killed by Attlee being a dumbass.

Plus they gave us the tech for the Harrier.

As well as air borne radar, the Frisch–Peierls memorandum, Whittle's jet engine, etc.

[Kernen]

Eh, they have changed a lot. Admittedly that part still annoys us to no end, but you cannot hold something against them forever.

They learned some when it was British pilots getting killed by Attlee being a dumbass.

Plus they gave us the tech for the Harrier.

As well as air borne radar, the Frisch–Peierls memorandum, Whittle's jet engine, etc.

What the British lack in sheer mass they more than make up for in tech, quality, and intelligence savvy. The US learned everything worth knowing about human intelligence from the British. We could still learn a thing or two about not destabilizing entire regions.

[Novus America]

Eh, they have changed a lot. Admittedly that part still annoys us to no end, but you cannot hold something against them forever.

They learned some when it was British pilots getting killed by Attlee being a dumbass.

Plus they gave us the tech for the Harrier.

As well as air borne radar, the Frisch–Peierls memorandum, Whittle's jet engine, etc.

Sure. So we will not hold that one piece of epic dumbassery against you forever.
On the balance our cooperation is beneficial to both of us.

[The New California Republic]

tbh we should also cut Britain out of the F-35 too.

Why?

[Fartsniffage]

tbh we should also cut Britain out of the F-35 too.

Why?

He's upset because we sold the Soviets a jet engine we thought was a bit rubbish in 1946.

[The New California Republic]

Why?

He's upset because we sold the Soviets a jet engine we thought was a bit rubbish in 1946.

The Nene? That's really the reason?

[North Arkana]

All these people still working off assumptions about the F-35 3 years old or older are a bit amusing.

He's upset because we sold the Soviets a jet engine we thought was a bit rubbish in 1946.

The Nene? That's really the reason?

Personally my worry is the defense critical companies in the UK which are now subsidiary to Chinese firms.

[Fartsniffage]

All these people still working off assumptions about the F-35 3 years old or older are a bit amusing.

The Nene? That's really the reason?

Personally my worry is the defense critical companies in the UK which are now subsidiary to Chinese firms.

Which ones?

[Risottia]

good on US, now we need to find a new buyer.

Maybe Korea wants a few.

Greece is interested. Which would be pretty funny.
Sell the Turkey ones to Greece. But we have lots of potential buyers lined up.

How is Greece going to pay? More deficit spending as usual?

[Novus America]

He's upset because we sold the Soviets a jet engine we thought was a bit rubbish in 1946.

The Nene? That's really the reason?

I mean it did get a bunch of American and British pilots killed. Still we cannot stop our whole defense cooperation relationship over one historic mistake, as stupid as it was.

[Fartsniffage]

Greece is interested. Which would be pretty funny.
Sell the Turkey ones to Greece. But we have lots of potential buyers lined up.

How is Greece going to pay? More deficit spending as usual?

Glass houses dude...

[East Ustya]

And now they want my country, the Netherlands, to buy 6 to 9 more of them.....

Coincidence?

[Novus America]

Greece is interested. Which would be pretty funny.
Sell the Turkey ones to Greece. But we have lots of potential buyers lined up.

How is Greece going to pay? More deficit spending as usual?

Good question. Although Greece spends some 2.5% of GDP on defense, plus the US does offer financing options for it.

[The New California Republic]

The Nene? That's really the reason?

I mean it did get a bunch of American and British pilots killed. Still we cannot stop our whole defense cooperation relationship over one historic mistake, as stupid as it was.

A military mistake here and there is no reason to cut allies off at any rate, but what Turkey is doing is a threat to the entire program.

[North Arkana]

All these people still working off assumptions about the F-35 3 years old or older are a bit amusing.

Personally my worry is the defense critical companies in the UK which are now subsidiary to Chinese firms.

Which ones?

https://news.sky.com/story/f-35-jets-chinese-owned-company-making-parts-for-top-secret-uk-us-fighters-11741889
https://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/2019/06/14/chinese-owned-company-makes-parts-british-f-35-fighter-jets/

[Fartsniffage]

Which ones?

https://news.sky.com/story/f-35-jets-chinese-owned-company-making-parts-for-top-secret-uk-us-fighters-11741889
https://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/2019/06/14/chinese-owned-company-makes-parts-british-f-35-fighter-jets/

Eh. It's not ideal but I doubt they could get much from seeing a bare circuit board design.