Should homosexuals have the right to marry?

[Arkinesia]

As long as two people love each other it shouldn't matter if they are of the same sex. All that matters is that they love each other.

Just because I love a cupcake doesn't mean I want to fuck it.

[Blitzkrenia]

As long as two people love each other it shouldn't matter if they are of the same sex. All that matters is that they love each other.

Just because I love a cupcake doesn't mean I want to fuck it.

One doesn't love a cupcake like one loves a SO, unless one has some kind of fetish for them. If that is the case though... I won't interfere.

[Rolamec]

No, it's obvious isn't it? If we allow the gays to marry, we will have bestiality, incest, and rape! The world economy will collapse, governments will be overthrown, the sky will turn dark and the sun will explode! All because of gay marriage!!!! And Obama's healthcare radical, socialist-nazi, communist, anarchist agenda (in case you were wondering who to blame the Icelandic volcano on)

[The Alma Mater]

For the law ? Naturally. Why on earth not ?
For the churches ? Only if that church wants to.

See - easy. Go for it USA

[Natapoc]

No, it's obvious isn't it? If we allow the gays to marry, we will have bestiality, incest, and rape! The world economy will collapse, governments will be overthrown, the sky will turn dark and the sun will explode! All because of gay marriage!!!! And Obama's healthcare radical, socialist-nazi, communist, anarchist agenda (in case you were wondering who to blame the Icelandic volcano on)

Wait... the volcano was part of the international anarchist agenda/conspiracy? That technology was not supposed to be used yet! Who pushed the button?

[Sionis Prioratus]

As long as two people love each other it shouldn't matter if they are of the same sex. All that matters is that they love each other.

Just because I love a cupcake doesn't mean I want to fuck it.

Even if you did, I wasn't aware that a cupcake was capable of giving consent.

[Rolamec]

No, it's obvious isn't it? If we allow the gays to marry, we will have bestiality, incest, and rape! The world economy will collapse, governments will be overthrown, the sky will turn dark and the sun will explode! All because of gay marriage!!!! And Obama's healthcare radical, socialist-nazi, communist, anarchist agenda (in case you were wondering who to blame the Icelandic volcano on)

Wait... the volcano was part of the international anarchist agenda/conspiracy? That technology was not supposed to be used yet! Who pushed the button?

Hugo Chavez warned us, he said the West could do it. And they did!

:rofl: Sorry couldn't help myself.

[Whole Conviction]

Perhaps a reframing of the question. Something more like:

'Is there any compelling reason to deny any adult the right to marry whichever other unmarried adult they choose?'

[Sionis Prioratus]

No, it's obvious isn't it? If we allow the gays to marry, we will have bestiality, incest, and rape! The world economy will collapse, governments will be overthrown, the sky will turn dark and the sun will explode! All because of gay marriage!!!! And Obama's healthcare radical, socialist-nazi, communist, anarchist agenda (in case you were wondering who to blame the Icelandic volcano on)

Wait... the volcano was part of the international anarchist agenda/conspiracy? That technology was not supposed to be used yet! Who pushed the button?

Our Lesbian Overlady, Her Most High Hotness Jóhanna Sigurðardóttir:

You see, Iceland is preparing to legalize gay marriage. Therefore, is is obvious as to why she would do it.

[Satyrstone]

NO.
Homosexuality is evil, immoral and a sin.

Sin is a religion thing. Surely it's not your position to force your religion on myself for example, an Atheist. Surely shouldn't you be happy that I'm going to burn in hell?

So how's this "The population will decline and it will end the human if every one start to become homosexual."

And how will legalizing same sex marriage cause everyone to be gay? Have you looked at birth rates? We're in no danger of a population decline due to 10% of the world's population receiving their proper civil rights. Key word is CIVIL.

[Satyrstone]

No. Marriage is between a man and a women.

Can you tell me where to Constitution says that, please?

The forum asks for our opinion. That is my opinion. Yours is different than mine. We all have rights to our own opinion, and in my opinion, Marriage a sanctified act between a man and a woman.

Alright so don't post here. Your point of view is known, and you're not willing to debate it.

[Umbra Scientia]

No, it's obvious isn't it? If we allow the gays to marry, we will have bestiality, incest, and rape! The world economy will collapse, governments will be overthrown, the sky will turn dark and the sun will explode! All because of gay marriage!!!! And Obama's healthcare radical, socialist-nazi, communist, anarchist agenda (in case you were wondering who to blame the Icelandic volcano on)

Wait... the volcano was part of the international anarchist agenda/conspiracy? That technology was not supposed to be used yet! Who pushed the button?

Oh come on, why the hell would you give it a big red button with a sign saying do not push? Srsly, terrible descision, something like that just DEMANDS to be pushed. I had no other choice in the matter. I blame the button designer.


Also, yes they should. I cannot comprehend the mindset that would say otherwise to be honest >.>

[Satyrstone]

NO.
Homosexuality is evil, immoral and a sin.

Sin is a religion thing. Surely it's not your position to force your religion on myself for example, an Atheist. Surely shouldn't you be happy that I'm going to burn in hell?

So how's this "The population will decline and it will end the human if every one start to become homosexual."

That's another failed argument. Gay marriage doesn't make anyone "become homosexual."

Anything else?

Here is flow chart:-
1. Gay marriage is legal
2. Most people start to do Gay marriage
3. they cant produce children
4. Population will decline.
5. Population continues to decline now at worrying rate.
6. There are very less people left to continue human civilization.
7. Human life extincts.

This is not a flow chart, it's a numbered list of moronic points. Gay people CAN produce children, just not with each other. You don't have to have sexual intercourse to have children. I think it's humorous that you believe people will suddenly decide to be gay married once gay marriage is legal. And honestly, it's none of your business who I marry.

[Novistrainia]

Not going to read this whole thing, but it comes down to this question?

Is the act of marriage religious or is it a financial act?
We can rule out religious immediately the U.S. government can not act nor condone religious marriage rituals unless they pose a threat.

Let me explain, I could go to a Church and get married right now, or meet with someone and declared we are married, and the government can't say we are not, but it can say that under the law for financial and parental things we are not married. So the Mormons can continue to practice polygamy but the government would only recognize one marriage as legal.
So technically Gays can get married, it is just the government will not recognize it for financial and parental purposes, which once you cut the religious aspect away, I say why not, anyways I think the word marriage should not be used by the government for two consenting adults who are joining.

The way I see it
That Paper from the government that says you are together, that is a Civil union
That big or small or whatever tradition you did, that is a Marriage.

They are two separate things and should always be two separate things.

If you look at the Catholic church, the view divorce in the U.S. as a financial thing, while they rarely condone divorce as the separating of two souls.

As to my particular views on gays, I do not like there sexual preference, but I have yet to have them radically alter my life in some way, and do not see them pose as much of a threat to me, until that time I could care less what there sexual preference is, as long as they keep what they do behind closed doors.
They can say they are gay, but don't tell me anything about what they do, and I would say I am straight and then not say anything about what I do, that is the respectful thing to do.

As for me I am Christian, looking to join the Catholic church. To each there own.

[Tmutarakhan]

Here is flow chart:-
1. Gay marriage is legal
2. Most people start to do Gay marriage

How do you get from 1 to 2? Would YOU marry another guy, as soon as it became legal?

[Nanatsu no Tsuki]

Of course they should be able to marry whomever they will. They have a right to the same rights everyone else has, although I know the argument is going to arise that getting married is not exactly a right but I hope you all get my meaning.

[Nobel Hobos]

of course they should, its not a left-wing or right-wing issue, its a equality issue.

WRONG!!!
it's the left and the government's way of getting rid of religion.
no, it's NOT a conspiracy theory.
They're going to make it a hate crime to talk bad about gays, then, when the normal people are in church listening to were the Bible says being gay is wrong, the government arrests us.

p.s. in my country of Phonencia being homosexual period is illegal and HEAVILY forwned upon by the local populace.

Please tell me this is satire.

No, It's not.
am i the ONLY one who finds being gay weird?

I'm not gay, so how would I know?

If you know it's weird to be gay, I don't know what you can do about that. Have yourself desexed, perhaps.

[Nobel Hobos]

Of course they should be able to marry whomever they will. They have a right to the same rights everyone else has, although I know the argument is going to arise that getting married is not exactly a right but I hope you all get my meaning.

Right to marry a consenting adult.

As long as poygamy is forbidden: right to marry one consenting adult, who is not married already.

[Novistrainia]

NO.
Homosexuality is evil, immoral and a sin.

Sin is a religion thing. Surely it's not your position to force your religion on myself for example, an Atheist. Surely shouldn't you be happy that I'm going to burn in hell?

So how's this "The population will decline and it will end the human if every one start to become homosexual."

That's another failed argument. Gay marriage doesn't make anyone "become homosexual."

Anything else?

Here is flow chart:-
1. Gay marriage is legal
2. Most people start to do Gay marriage
3. they cant produce children
4. Population will decline.
5. Population continues to decline now at worrying rate.
6. There are very less people left to continue human civilization.
7. Human life extincts.

Some pretty big leaps there.
If we could once again step away from the religious background
You'll find that in most populations of dual-sex species there is always a small percentage that would be classified as gay, so if we go by rules of species adaptation, and eventual evolution, then it would hold that the small percentage that is *gay*, would not pass on there genes, thus making sure that the gene that no doubt controls sex preference a bit if not entirely,(I hold environment effects humans as well as genes*example prisons) Therefore it doesn't become a dominant adaptation the species continues, with a few gene mixtures and enviroments that continue to produce gay individuals.

If you want to look at an area where your statement got tested the hardest and proven false, look into ancient greek and especially spartan history, the women had to cut there hair and dress like men, so that the man could learn to like women, and it was because there society kept men and women apart until there 20's and even then they could not live together till there 30's

[Nanatsu no Tsuki]

Of course they should be able to marry whomever they will. They have a right to the same rights everyone else has, although I know the argument is going to arise that getting married is not exactly a right but I hope you all get my meaning.

Right to marry a consenting adult.

As long as poygamy is forbidden: right to marry one consenting adult, who is not married already.

I was getting to that, Uncle Hobos.

Sheesh, gimme a break, I'm suffering from insomnia. <_<

[Novistrainia]

Of course they should be able to marry whomever they will. They have a right to the same rights everyone else has, although I know the argument is going to arise that getting married is not exactly a right but I hope you all get my meaning.

Right to marry a consenting adult.

As long as poygamy is forbidden: right to marry one consenting adult, who is not married already.

Actually the practice of polygamy continues, but it is not recognized under state and federal law.

[Satyrstone]

I stand in opposition to the argument.
Homosexuality is not a race nor a nationality. Members of all socities have homosexual people. The Jew, Black argument sorry falls through.

Religion being forced on to other people? how about you forcing your irreligion on to those who are religious? there is no middle ground here forcing me to reconize the marrige between two members of the same gender, based your faith in the religion of no religion, is just as incorrect as me forcing the point of no marrige because of my faith in my religion

Another point is that granting to these individuals the benefits given in marriage, It does not help the state. only Hedrosexual couples intending to have children should be given the benefits that marraige provides. A couple wishing to adhear to their relgious tenets should be allowed to be married. But offerd no benefits untill a child is born.

Frankly on the subject of Homosexuality, Keep it in the bed room. God knows I don't care if you preform beastialty or scew a darn Goat. It should all be kept in a bedroom.

I urge that this debate cease as it is unresolveable in a national forum not to mention, here in this one. It's a waste of Time energy and passions. It also tends to draw the worst out in people. Lets Drop it now


I CALL ON A MOD TO LOCK THIS THREAD NOW!

Gays are a minority, therefore, it is an arguable point. Your realization that every society has homosexuals is a boon to my side not yours.

I'm not forcing you to recognize my gay marriage, I don't want your church to be forced to perform gay marriages. My friend, banning something is very different from allowing it. You are also in no way threatened by me marrying someone I love, I'm not asking or demanding YOUR recognition. Just that under the law, my rights are recognized. I am religious, but my religion defines marriage differently than your religion. I live in a country that recognizes freedom of religion, and yet you want to prevent my church from practicing a sacrament of our faith. Your view of marriage solely as a tool of procreation is outdated by thousands of years. WE ARE IN NO NEED OF MORE HUMAN BEINGS, even more Christians.

You also cannot at the same time say you are not forcing no marriage on me, when you say that if I wanted to marry a woman.. I could not have benefits until we produced a child. That IS forcing no marriage on me. It is also one definition of marriage benefits that NOT every culture shares. There are many many definitions of marriage even now, but many more looking back thousands of years.

No one here is talking about gay sex, they are talking about marriage rights. Get your head out of the damn gutter. No one said anything until YOU did, which shows where your mind is drifting.

Simply because a debate is unresolved is no reason NOT to debate it. Surely this is a reason TO debate it. Really, by now you should realize that NO debate is very completely resolved. PLEASE allow ME the freedom to debate this, if you don't want to you're more than welcome NOT to post here.

[Satyrstone]

No. Marriage is between a man and a women.

Can you tell me where to Constitution says that, please?

The forum asks for our opinion. That is my opinion. Yours is different than mine. We all have rights to our own opinion, and in my opinion, Marriage a sanctified act between a man and a woman.

And the question was about 'rights' - so the COnstitution is relevant, if you're discussing the law in America.

In California 10 years ago they voted on gay marriage too, and it was 60 vs 40, now it's within single digits. You're on the wrong side of history.

Of course - if you're just arguing that you don't like it, but you're NOT talking about what the law should be, then go ahead.

The actual institution of marriage should be reserved for heterosexual couples. Technically, the institution of marriage cannot be defined as a "right". Homosexuals are already treated as equals, and Same-sex unions are legal and they have full protection under the law. A union is pretty much the same thing as a marriage. Nowhere in the Constitution does it say that marriage is between a man and a woman, you are correct. However, it doesn't relegate marriage to the church or between heterosexual couples. Also, the State of California, with its broad liberal populace and the biggest population of homosexuals voted NOT to legalize same sex marriages. Twice. Besides, it is up to the state, not the federal government.

[Novistrainia]

I stand in opposition to the argument.
Homosexuality is not a race nor a nationality. Members of all socities have homosexual people. The Jew, Black argument sorry falls through.

Religion being forced on to other people? how about you forcing your irreligion on to those who are religious? there is no middle ground here forcing me to reconize the marrige between two members of the same gender, based your faith in the religion of no religion, is just as incorrect as me forcing the point of no marrige because of my faith in my religion

Another point is that granting to these individuals the benefits given in marriage, It does not help the state. only Hedrosexual couples intending to have children should be given the benefits that marraige provides. A couple wishing to adhear to their relgious tenets should be allowed to be married. But offerd no benefits untill a child is born.

Frankly on the subject of Homosexuality, Keep it in the bed room. God knows I don't care if you preform beastialty or scew a darn Goat. It should all be kept in a bedroom.

I urge that this debate cease as it is unresolveable in a national forum not to mention, here in this one. It's a waste of Time energy and passions. It also tends to draw the worst out in people. Lets Drop it now


I CALL ON A MOD TO LOCK THIS THREAD NOW!

Gays are a minority, therefore, it is an arguable point. Your realization that every society has homosexuals is a boon to my side not yours.

I'm not forcing you to recognize my gay marriage, I don't want your church to be forced to perform gay marriages. My friend, banning something is very different from allowing it. You are also in no way threatened by me marrying someone I love, I'm not asking or demanding YOUR recognition. Just that under the law, my rights are recognized. I am religious, but my religion defines marriage differently than your religion. I live in a country that recognizes freedom of religion, and yet you want to prevent my church from practicing a sacrament of our faith. Your view of marriage solely as a tool of procreation is outdated by thousands of years. WE ARE IN NO NEED OF MORE HUMAN BEINGS, even more Christians.

You also cannot at the same time say you are not forcing no marriage on me, when you say that if I wanted to marry a woman.. I could not have benefits until we produced a child. That IS forcing no marriage on me. It is also one definition of marriage benefits that NOT every culture shares. There are many many definitions of marriage even now, but many more looking back thousands of years.

No one here is talking about gay sex, they are talking about marriage rights. Get your head out of the damn gutter. No one said anything until YOU did, which shows where your mind is drifting.

Simply because a debate is unresolved is no reason NOT to debate it. Surely this is a reason TO debate it. Really, by now you should realize that NO debate is very completely resolved. PLEASE allow ME the freedom to debate this, if you don't want to you're more than welcome NOT to post here.

Not assuming anything, but there is nothing to stop you from holding a wedding to be married, the problem I think you have is that you want to have the financial and parental rights that straight marriages have and I agree with you on that point, but I would also say that marriage is an outdated term for what the government recognizes, infact what it recognizes is nothing more than a civil union between 2 people.

[Mirkana]

Yes they should. Being of the same sex as your beloved should be no barrier to marriage.