Should homosexuals have the right to marry?

[Ameright]

Personally, I think if you follow the Bible, you should not only be against same-sex marriage, you should support criminalizing gay acts, those found guilty receiving the death penalty.

And that means what to those of us who do not follow the bible?

According to the Bible, those who do not follow it should also be killed

Hmmm, thanks...
Now I have free rein to kill all christians (in self-defense of course).

Lest there be any misunderstandings, I don't believe that personally. I just want to point out what the Bible says

[Farnhamia]

Personally, I think if you follow the Bible, you should not only be against same-sex marriage, you should support criminalizing gay acts, those found guilty receiving the death penalty.

And that means what to those of us who do not follow the bible?

According to the Bible, those who do not follow it should also be killed

Hmmm, thanks...
Now I have free rein to kill all christians (in self-defense of course).

Lest there be any misunderstandings, I don't believe that personally. I just want to point out what the Bible says

I sort of thought so, but maybe next time you could put a disclaimer? "The opinions expressed below are not those of Ameright ..."?

[Dyakovo]

Personally, I think if you follow the Bible, you should not only be against same-sex marriage, you should support criminalizing gay acts, those found guilty receiving the death penalty.

And that means what to those of us who do not follow the bible?

According to the Bible, those who do not follow it should also be killed

Hmmm, thanks...
Now I have free rein to kill all christians (in self-defense of course).

Lest there be any misunderstandings, I don't believe that personally. I just want to point out what the Bible says

I sort of thought so, but maybe next time you could put a disclaimer? "The opinions expressed below are not those of Ameright ..."?

Well, his ability to cite relevant biblical passages made it clear he at least wasn't your standard christian fundie...

[Farnhamia]

Personally, I think if you follow the Bible, you should not only be against same-sex marriage, you should support criminalizing gay acts, those found guilty receiving the death penalty.

And that means what to those of us who do not follow the bible?

According to the Bible, those who do not follow it should also be killed

Hmmm, thanks...
Now I have free rein to kill all christians (in self-defense of course).

Lest there be any misunderstandings, I don't believe that personally. I just want to point out what the Bible says

I sort of thought so, but maybe next time you could put a disclaimer? "The opinions expressed below are not those of Ameright ..."?

Well, his ability to cite relevant biblical passages made it clear he at least wasn't your standard christian fundie...

Which is what swayed me in favor of slack being cut, not to mention I don't remember him ever being vehemently opposed to gays on any particular subject. This is what I get for letting work interfere with NSG.

[The Tofu Islands]

That we point fingers and laugh.

And remind them of where Jesus says "judge not lest ye be judged" and "let he who is without sin cast the first stone".

And laugh some more.

(Also, Ameright, are you a puppet of F1-Insanity?)

[Ordo Mallus]

No.

[Farnhamia]

That we point fingers and laugh.

And remind them of where Jesus says "judge not lest ye be judged" and "let he who is without sin cast the first stone".

And laugh some more.

(Also, Ameright, are you a puppet of F1-Insanity?)

So Jesus is standing there and delivers that line, "let he who is without sin cast the first stone," and a great big rock comes arching from the back of the crowd and clonks the Woman Taken In Adultery right on the noggin. Lays her out cold and Jesus looks around and goes, "Mother, please! I'm trying to make a point here!"

[The Tofu Islands]

So Jesus is standing there and delivers that line, "let he who is without sin cast the first stone," and a great big rock comes arching from the back of the crowd and clonks the Woman Taken In Adultery right on the noggin. Lays her out cold and Jesus looks around and goes, "Mother, please! I'm trying to make a point here!"

Yep, heard that one before.

Have you ever seen the Dave Allen sketch about the "fire and brimstone preacher", where he says that and is promptly crushed by a rock from above.

[Farnhamia]

So Jesus is standing there and delivers that line, "let he who is without sin cast the first stone," and a great big rock comes arching from the back of the crowd and clonks the Woman Taken In Adultery right on the noggin. Lays her out cold and Jesus looks around and goes, "Mother, please! I'm trying to make a point here!"

Yep, heard that one before.

Have you ever seen the Dave Allen sketch about the "fire and brimstone preacher", where he says that and is promptly crushed by a rock from above.

No, I haven't. Good one.

[Ameright]

According to some Christians, "Let he who is without sin cast the first stone" shouldn't even be in the Bible:

http://www.conservapedia.com/Essay:Adulteress_Story

[Farnhamia]

According to some Christians, "Let he who is without sin cast the first stone" shouldn't even be in the Bible:

http://www.conservapedia.com/Essay:Adulteress_Story

Interesting, and for me to say that about something in Conservapedia is something. I'd want to do my own research, of course.

[Ameright]

According to some Christians, "Let he who is without sin cast the first stone" shouldn't even be in the Bible:

http://www.conservapedia.com/Essay:Adulteress_Story

Interesting, and for me to say that about something in Conservapedia is something. I'd want to do my own research, of course.

The lesson here is, it's okay to be inquisitive and questioning of things in the Bible if you don't agree with them.

If you do agree with them, than they are eternal laws that nobody else must ever question!

[Muravyets]

how many times do i have to say this?

Its about equality under the law, idk why these good-law abiding christians can't see this. We aren't going to force you to do marrages lol.

Uh, they do see it. That's what they don't like about it. They don't want everyone to be equal, and they don't want gays to be treated the same as heteros.

[Muravyets]

In every state that has allowed gay marriage, when a vote was taken the gay marriage was abolished. How about that for rights?

It's tragic to see bigotry win out over rights that way. It's the number one reason why rights should never be put up for a vote.

[The Alma Mater]

In every state that has allowed gay marriage, when a vote was taken the gay marriage was abolished. How about that for rights?

On the upside: in several countries the people were in favour. Including the Christians.

[Muravyets]

And I certainly don't want my children viewing two teenage lusty homosexuals making out in the park. No siree, I have a BIG problem with that.

Is the problem that you find the thought so exciting that you're afraid you won't be able to resist joining in if asked?

No. I'm actually quite disgusted by it.

Well, I find people who go about proclaiming their hatred and distaste for other people to be disgusting, but I won't advocate for you to be denied civil and human rights just because you make my skin crawl every time you talk.

[Muravyets]

In every state that has allowed gay marriage, when a vote was taken the gay marriage was abolished. How about that for rights?

Actually, not true. It's also irrelevant, if one values equality under the law. At one time, the majority of people in power in the country thought it was ok to own slaves. Did that mean it didn't violate human rights?

At the time, no.

Slavery didn't violate human right? You're testing my commitment to my principles.

[Muravyets]

And I certainly don't want my children viewing two teenage lusty homosexuals making out in the park. No siree, I have a BIG problem with that.

Is the problem that you find the thought so exciting that you're afraid you won't be able to resist joining in if asked?

No. I'm actually quite disgusted by it.

Right. Disgusted by how much it turns you on.

It's made me barf before.

Oh, gawd, and now we have to hear about your fetishes? Blech.

[Willenburg]

The argument is definition of terms it seems like.

Marriage, in original definition, was between a male and female. That wasn't made explicit because the majority of human beings just follow the path of least resistance/complexity and love someone who offsets them physically.

Thus, the definition can be changed at will, but marriage between gays won't be the same as between straights. Obviously. Gays want to be different anyways, which is generally why they are gay. Even if they didn't want to be different, they would still be different, because men are not women and vice versa.

Whether you widen the term to include both, make two separate terms, or make a wider term and two narrower terms, it's all the same. Straight people just would like to keep the term marriage as their own narrower term because it applies to them. Why is that bad? The modern homosexual movement is all about originality...don't copy the term, don't try to be like them. They need to make up their own terms and conditions if they want to be respected as different.

(If anyone objects to the terms 'gay' and 'straight', I don't really care, heteros chose straight as a term for themselves, homos chose gay as a term for themselves. They can lie in the bed they've made. No pun intended.)

[Consigahria]

Definitely. Two people that love each other should be together regardless of distance apart, gender, age, race, colour, or religion.

[Farnhamia]

And I certainly don't want my children viewing two teenage lusty homosexuals making out in the park. No siree, I have a BIG problem with that.

Is the problem that you find the thought so exciting that you're afraid you won't be able to resist joining in if asked?

No. I'm actually quite disgusted by it.

Right. Disgusted by how much it turns you on.

It's made me barf before.

Oh, gawd, and now we have to hear about your fetishes? Blech.

I'm sure if it were a couple of bootilicious lesbos, on the other hand ...

[Muravyets]

can someone give a real reason why we shouldn't have gay marriage, other than a religous hate of it? even though Jesus never talked about homosexuality.

Let me see, a non-religious reason not to allow gay marriage. Hmm.

Some hotels or motels like to keep their property from being used for what they think are sinful

That would be religious argument then.

purposes, like prostitution. Yes, they may have religion for doing that, but THEY are entitled to have religion, they're not the State are they.

Then it's not a non-religious reason.

One way to keep sin

Religion

out of their property, is to only rent out rooms to two people of opposite sex if they are married. You have to understand, there are a lot of customers, usually they only stay one night or so. It's not like the hotel management can launch a police investigation to find out if people are married, there just isn't time for that and so the management has to use judgement and be on the lookout for liars. Wedding rings, same name on the ID, do the people look like they know each other well. The little things.

And because there are lots of married men and women in the world, the staff know what a married man and woman are like, so they can get it right most of the time and keep sinful

Religion

dealings (as THEY see it, mind, I make no judgement) from happening on their property.

So if two gay men come in and want a room, they can just say no. Right away, it's an easy decision. And if the gay men want to argue about discrimination, the staff can just point to their rule which applies to everyone and say "see, it says here we won't rent a room to two people who are not married or related by blood" and that's the end of it.

But if there was even one gayly married couple in the whole country, they couldn't do that could they? The gay guys could just say they are married and the staff wouldn't be able to tell they weren't, because no-one knows how two men are supposed to behave when they are married. Even if the men both had the same second name on their ID that could be just coincidence and that's not enough without the little signs that everyone knows of when a man and a woman are married.

And even if the gay men WERE married, the staff might not want them having gay sex on their property, but if they tried to tell them NO there would be trouble about discriminating against THIS married couple but not against OTHER married couples.

Depending where that is, they might even get sued for discriminating that way even though it is their property to rent out how they like. If there wasn't any gay marriage, they could just say "gentlemen, you are not married, sorry try the trailer park down the road".

So there. Gay marriage violates property rights, and we hold those rights very dear you must agree.

Nope, nice try but you didn't make it. Because the actual motivation of the rule is to prevent sin, which is a religious motivation, not to protect property. So there's still no non-religious reason for banning gay marriage.

[Senestrum]

Giving rights to one group and not another is absolutely abhorrent.

[Denmanath]

And I certainly don't want my children viewing two teenage lusty homosexuals making out in the park. No siree, I have a BIG problem with that.

Is the problem that you find the thought so exciting that you're afraid you won't be able to resist joining in if asked?

No. I'm actually quite disgusted by it.

Well, I find people who go about proclaiming their hatred and distaste for other people to be disgusting, but I won't advocate for you to be denied civil and human rights just because you make my skin crawl every time you talk.

i agree with everything Muravyets and redwulf said. i wonder if the history geek is one of those american bible maniacs who believe that if it said in that holy book that came down from heaven that it was ok to kill people with ginger hair he wouldnt hesitate in taking a shotgun to them

[Treznor]

And I certainly don't want my children viewing two teenage lusty homosexuals making out in the park. No siree, I have a BIG problem with that.

Is the problem that you find the thought so exciting that you're afraid you won't be able to resist joining in if asked?

No. I'm actually quite disgusted by it.

Right. Disgusted by how much it turns you on.

It's made me barf before.

Oh, gawd, and now we have to hear about your fetishes? Blech.

I'm sure if it were a couple of bootilicious lesbos, on the other hand ...

Bragging again? Tsk.