Should homosexuals have the right to marry?

[North Calaveras]

And I certainly don't want my children viewing two teenage lusty homosexuals making out in the park. No siree, I have a BIG problem with that.

Is the problem that you find the thought so exciting that you're afraid you won't be able to resist joining in if asked?

No. I'm actually quite disgusted by it.

Right. Disgusted by how much it turns you on.

It's made me barf before.

When i don't want to see something I just don't look at it, i mean lots of people don't like watching animals fuck, do we stop animals from fucking?

[Godforsaken Warmachine]

can someone give a real reason why we shouldn't have gay marriage, other than a religous hate of it? even though Jesus never talked about homosexuality.

Let me see, a non-religious reason not to allow gay marriage. Hmm.

Some hotels or motels like to keep their property from being used for what they think are sinful purposes, like prostitution. Yes, they may have religion for doing that, but THEY are entitled to have religion, they're not the State are they.

One way to keep sin out of their property, is to only rent out rooms to two people of opposite sex if they are married. You have to understand, there are a lot of customers, usually they only stay one night or so. It's not like the hotel management can launch a police investigation to find out if people are married, there just isn't time for that and so the management has to use judgement and be on the lookout for liars. Wedding rings, same name on the ID, do the people look like they know each other well. The little things.

And because there are lots of married men and women in the world, the staff know what a married man and woman are like, so they can get it right most of the time and keep sinful dealings (as THEY see it, mind, I make no judgement) from happening on their property.

So if two gay men come in and want a room, they can just say no. Right away, it's an easy decision. And if the gay men want to argue about discrimination, the staff can just point to their rule which applies to everyone and say "see, it says here we won't rent a room to two people who are not married or related by blood" and that's the end of it.

But if there was even one gayly married couple in the whole country, they couldn't do that could they? The gay guys could just say they are married and the staff wouldn't be able to tell they weren't, because no-one knows how two men are supposed to behave when they are married. Even if the men both had the same second name on their ID that could be just coincidence and that's not enough without the little signs that everyone knows of when a man and a woman are married.

And even if the gay men WERE married, the staff might not want them having gay sex on their property, but if they tried to tell them NO there would be trouble about discriminating against THIS married couple but not against OTHER married couples.

Depending where that is, they might even get sued for discriminating that way even though it is their property to rent out how they like. If there wasn't any gay marriage, they could just say "gentlemen, you are not married, sorry try the trailer park down the road".

So there. Gay marriage violates property rights, and we hold those rights very dear you must agree.

[The Alma Mater]

It's made me barf before.

Get a tougher stomach ?

[North Calaveras]

can someone give a real reason why we shouldn't have gay marriage, other than a religous hate of it? even though Jesus never talked about homosexuality.

Let me see, a non-religious reason not to allow gay marriage. Hmm.

Some hotels or motels like to keep their property from being used for what they think are sinful purposes, like prostitution. Yes, they may have religion for doing that, but THEY are entitled to have religion, they're not the State are they.

One way to keep sin out of their property, is to only rent out rooms to two people of opposite sex if they are married. You have to understand, there are a lot of customers, usually they only stay one night or so. It's not like the hotel management can launch a police investigation to find out if people are married, there just isn't time for that and so the management has to use judgement and be on the lookout for liars. Wedding rings, same name on the ID, do the people look like they know each other well. The little things.

And because there are lots of married men and women in the world, the staff know what a married man and woman are like, so they can get it right most of the time and keep sinful dealings (as THEY see it, mind, I make no judgement) from happening on their property.

So if two gay men come in and want a room, they can just say no. Right away, it's an easy decision. And if the gay men want to argue about discrimination, the staff can just point to their rule which applies to everyone and say "see, it says here we won't rent a room to two people who are not married or related by blood" and that's the end of it.

But if there was even one gayly married couple in the whole country, they couldn't do that could they? The gay guys could just say they are married and the staff wouldn't be able to tell they weren't, because no-one knows how two men are supposed to behave when they are married. Even if the men both had the same second name on their ID that could be just coincidence and that's not enough without the little signs that everyone knows of when a man and a woman are married.

And even if the gay men WERE married, the staff might not want them having gay sex on their property, but if they tried to tell them NO there would be trouble about discriminating against THIS married couple but not against OTHER married couples.

Depending where that is, they might even get sued for discriminating that way even though it is their property to rent out how they like. If there wasn't any gay marriage, they could just say "gentlemen, you are not married, sorry try the trailer park down the road".

So there. Gay marriage violates property rights, and we hold those rights very dear you must agree.

were not talking about property were talk about two adults trying to be together.

[Desperate Measures]

In every state that has allowed gay marriage, when a vote was taken the gay marriage was abolished. How about that for rights?

Ah yes, the happiness of the minority as decided by the majority. Good clean fun, that.

What's the point of a democracy if the people can't decide laws for themselves? Love it or leave it.

There's a reason that we don't have a pure democracy. Pure democracy is, as one founding father put it, two wolves and a sheep deciding what to have for dinner. Hence the reason that we have a Constitution in place to limit the actions the government can legitimately take.

And, with that, I must go to bed.

How do you know it's always two wolves and a sheep? Social darwinism anyways, my friend...

2 gay wolves and a twink sheep

[Godforsaken Warmachine]

And I certainly don't want my children viewing two teenage lusty homosexuals making out in the park. No siree, I have a BIG problem with that.

Is the problem that you find the thought so exciting that you're afraid you won't be able to resist joining in if asked?

No. I'm actually quite disgusted by it.

Right. Disgusted by how much it turns you on.

It's made me barf before.

When i don't want to see something I just don't look at it, i mean lots of people don't like watching animals fuck, do we stop animals from fucking?

I certainly do! I have three dogs and they all know not to do that, atleast when I can see them.

[Godforsaken Warmachine]

can someone give a real reason why we shouldn't have gay marriage, other than a religous hate of it? even though Jesus never talked about homosexuality.

Let me see, a non-religious reason not to allow gay marriage. Hmm.

Some hotels or motels like to keep their property from being used for what they think are sinful purposes, like prostitution. Yes, they may have religion for doing that, but THEY are entitled to have religion, they're not the State are they.

One way to keep sin out of their property, is to only rent out rooms to two people of opposite sex if they are married. You have to understand, there are a lot of customers, usually they only stay one night or so. It's not like the hotel management can launch a police investigation to find out if people are married, there just isn't time for that and so the management has to use judgement and be on the lookout for liars. Wedding rings, same name on the ID, do the people look like they know each other well. The little things.

And because there are lots of married men and women in the world, the staff know what a married man and woman are like, so they can get it right most of the time and keep sinful dealings (as THEY see it, mind, I make no judgement) from happening on their property.

So if two gay men come in and want a room, they can just say no. Right away, it's an easy decision. And if the gay men want to argue about discrimination, the staff can just point to their rule which applies to everyone and say "see, it says here we won't rent a room to two people who are not married or related by blood" and that's the end of it.

But if there was even one gayly married couple in the whole country, they couldn't do that could they? The gay guys could just say they are married and the staff wouldn't be able to tell they weren't, because no-one knows how two men are supposed to behave when they are married. Even if the men both had the same second name on their ID that could be just coincidence and that's not enough without the little signs that everyone knows of when a man and a woman are married.

And even if the gay men WERE married, the staff might not want them having gay sex on their property, but if they tried to tell them NO there would be trouble about discriminating against THIS married couple but not against OTHER married couples.

Depending where that is, they might even get sued for discriminating that way even though it is their property to rent out how they like. If there wasn't any gay marriage, they could just say "gentlemen, you are not married, sorry try the trailer park down the road".

So there. Gay marriage violates property rights, and we hold those rights very dear you must agree.

were not talking about property were talk about two adults trying to be together.

That's what I am talking about. Two GAY adults trying to be together in the hotel when the management does not want them to. Read it!

[North Calaveras]

can someone give a real reason why we shouldn't have gay marriage, other than a religous hate of it? even though Jesus never talked about homosexuality.

Let me see, a non-religious reason not to allow gay marriage. Hmm.

Some hotels or motels like to keep their property from being used for what they think are sinful purposes, like prostitution. Yes, they may have religion for doing that, but THEY are entitled to have religion, they're not the State are they.

One way to keep sin out of their property, is to only rent out rooms to two people of opposite sex if they are married. You have to understand, there are a lot of customers, usually they only stay one night or so. It's not like the hotel management can launch a police investigation to find out if people are married, there just isn't time for that and so the management has to use judgement and be on the lookout for liars. Wedding rings, same name on the ID, do the people look like they know each other well. The little things.

And because there are lots of married men and women in the world, the staff know what a married man and woman are like, so they can get it right most of the time and keep sinful dealings (as THEY see it, mind, I make no judgement) from happening on their property.

So if two gay men come in and want a room, they can just say no. Right away, it's an easy decision. And if the gay men want to argue about discrimination, the staff can just point to their rule which applies to everyone and say "see, it says here we won't rent a room to two people who are not married or related by blood" and that's the end of it.

But if there was even one gayly married couple in the whole country, they couldn't do that could they? The gay guys could just say they are married and the staff wouldn't be able to tell they weren't, because no-one knows how two men are supposed to behave when they are married. Even if the men both had the same second name on their ID that could be just coincidence and that's not enough without the little signs that everyone knows of when a man and a woman are married.

And even if the gay men WERE married, the staff might not want them having gay sex on their property, but if they tried to tell them NO there would be trouble about discriminating against THIS married couple but not against OTHER married couples.

Depending where that is, they might even get sued for discriminating that way even though it is their property to rent out how they like. If there wasn't any gay marriage, they could just say "gentlemen, you are not married, sorry try the trailer park down the road".

So there. Gay marriage violates property rights, and we hold those rights very dear you must agree.

were not talking about property were talk about two adults trying to be together.

That's what I am talking about. Two GAY adults trying to be together in the hotel when the management does not want them to. Read it!

so gay adults shouldn't be allowed to marry because of hotel management policys?

[The Alma Mater]

so gay adults shouldn't be allowed to marry because of hotel management policys?

lazy policies even
But seems so, yes. In the eyes of some at least.

[Desperate Measures]

Seems like those people are in the wrong business. I can't imagine what goes on in some hotel rooms but I guarantee that gay sex is far, far better than some other things that happen.

[Godforsaken Warmachine]

can someone give a real reason why we shouldn't have gay marriage, other than a religous hate of it? even though Jesus never talked about homosexuality.

Let me see, a non-religious reason not to allow gay marriage. Hmm.

Some hotels or motels like to keep their property from being used for what they think are sinful purposes, like prostitution. Yes, they may have religion for doing that, but THEY are entitled to have religion, they're not the State are they.

One way to keep sin out of their property, is to only rent out rooms to two people of opposite sex if they are married. You have to understand, there are a lot of customers, usually they only stay one night or so. It's not like the hotel management can launch a police investigation to find out if people are married, there just isn't time for that and so the management has to use judgement and be on the lookout for liars. Wedding rings, same name on the ID, do the people look like they know each other well. The little things.

And because there are lots of married men and women in the world, the staff know what a married man and woman are like, so they can get it right most of the time and keep sinful dealings (as THEY see it, mind, I make no judgement) from happening on their property.

So if two gay men come in and want a room, they can just say no. Right away, it's an easy decision. And if the gay men want to argue about discrimination, the staff can just point to their rule which applies to everyone and say "see, it says here we won't rent a room to two people who are not married or related by blood" and that's the end of it.

But if there was even one gayly married couple in the whole country, they couldn't do that could they? The gay guys could just say they are married and the staff wouldn't be able to tell they weren't, because no-one knows how two men are supposed to behave when they are married. Even if the men both had the same second name on their ID that could be just coincidence and that's not enough without the little signs that everyone knows of when a man and a woman are married.

And even if the gay men WERE married, the staff might not want them having gay sex on their property, but if they tried to tell them NO there would be trouble about discriminating against THIS married couple but not against OTHER married couples.

Depending where that is, they might even get sued for discriminating that way even though it is their property to rent out how they like. If there wasn't any gay marriage, they could just say "gentlemen, you are not married, sorry try the trailer park down the road".

So there. Gay marriage violates property rights, and we hold those rights very dear you must agree.

were not talking about property were talk about two adults trying to be together.

That's what I am talking about. Two GAY adults trying to be together in the hotel when the management does not want them to. Read it!

so gay adults shouldn't be allowed to marry because of hotel management policys?

You asked can someone give a real reason why we shouldn't have gay marriage, other than a religous hate of it?

I gave you a reason and now you pretend I said that is the only reason ?

And don't bother asking for more reasons, because you didn't say what was wrong about the reason I gave you.

[North Calaveras]

Seems like those people are in the wrong business. I can't imagine what goes on in some hotel rooms but I guarantee that gay sex is far, far better than some other things that happen.

that should be sufficent for you ^^

[The Alma Mater]

You asked can someone give a real reason why we shouldn't have gay marriage, other than a religous hate of it?

I gave you a reason and now you pretend I said that is the only reason ?

And don't bother asking for more reasons, because you didn't say what was wrong about the reason I gave you.

*sigh*

Your reason boils down to
1. Some hotels do not wish gays or unmarried people to have sex in their rooms, but have no problems with married straights bonking eachother
2. So they want to forbid gays to sleep together, but that is harder for them if they are married.

So... what do those hotels do NOW if two unmarried people wish to share a room ? Two friends, two relatives, two business partners etc ? Do they tell them "BUT NO FUCKING ?" or forbid them to share rooms completely ?

[Godforsaken Warmachine]

so gay adults shouldn't be allowed to marry because of hotel management policys?

lazy policies even
But seems so, yes. In the eyes of some at least.

He asked for a reason not religious. I think he is not even arguing like a devils advocat

If someone does not want sin on their property, should the government say "oooh, thats religious so you have to let them" ? It's not even religion to believe in some things being wrong and not wanting them on your property.

[Godforsaken Warmachine]

You asked can someone give a real reason why we shouldn't have gay marriage, other than a religous hate of it?

I gave you a reason and now you pretend I said that is the only reason ?

And don't bother asking for more reasons, because you didn't say what was wrong about the reason I gave you.

*sigh*

Your reason boils down to
1. Some hotels do not wish gays or unmarried people to have sex in their rooms, but have no problems with married straights bonking eachother
2. So they want to forbid gays to sleep together, but that is harder for them if they are married.

So... what do those hotels do NOW if two unmarried people wish to share a room ? Two friends, two relatives, two business partners etc ? Do they tell them "BUT NO FUCKING ?" or forbid them to share rooms completely ?

They can yes. They can make them get two single rooms.

[The Cat-Tribe]

In every state that has allowed gay marriage, when a vote was taken the gay marriage was abolished. How about that for rights?

Ah yes, the happiness of the minority as decided by the majority. Good clean fun, that.

Democracy is based on the rule of the majority.

In every state that has allowed gay marriage, when a vote was taken the gay marriage was abolished. How about that for rights?

Ah yes, the happiness of the minority as decided by the majority. Good clean fun, that.

What's the point of a democracy if the people can't decide laws for themselves? Love it or leave it.

The U.S.A. under the Constitution is a constitutional Republic, not a simple democracy. The Supreme Court explained the particular relevance of this to rebutting your argument in West Virginia State Board of Education v. Barnette, 319 US 624, 638 (1943):

The very purpose of a Bill of Rights was to withdraw certain subjects from the vicissitudes of political controversy, to place them beyond the reach of majorities and officials and to establish them as legal principles to be applied by the courts. One's right to life, liberty, and property, to free speech, a free press, freedom of worship and assembly, and other fundamental rights may not be submitted to vote; they depend on the outcome of no elections.

[Godforsaken Warmachine]

Seems like those people are in the wrong business. I can't imagine what goes on in some hotel rooms but I guarantee that gay sex is far, far better than some other things that happen.

that should be sufficent for you ^^

So you ask everyone "give me a reason" then you let soemone else do the argument for you.

[North Calaveras]

Seems like those people are in the wrong business. I can't imagine what goes on in some hotel rooms but I guarantee that gay sex is far, far better than some other things that happen.

that should be sufficent for you ^^

So you ask everyone "give me a reason" then you let soemone else do the argument for you.

no, but he seemed to sum it up nicely so i decided to quote him, there a problem with that?

[Redwulf]

can someone give a real reason why we shouldn't have gay marriage, other than a religous hate of it? even though Jesus never talked about homosexuality.

Let me see, a non-religious reason not to allow gay marriage. Hmm.

Some hotels or motels like to keep their property from being used for what they think are sinful purposes, like prostitution. Yes, they may have religion for doing that, but THEY are entitled to have religion, they're not the State are they.

One way to keep sin out of their property, is to only rent out rooms to two people of opposite sex if they are married. You have to understand, there are a lot of customers, usually they only stay one night or so. It's not like the hotel management can launch a police investigation to find out if people are married, there just isn't time for that and so the management has to use judgement and be on the lookout for liars. Wedding rings, same name on the ID, do the people look like they know each other well. The little things.

And because there are lots of married men and women in the world, the staff know what a married man and woman are like, so they can get it right most of the time and keep sinful dealings (as THEY see it, mind, I make no judgement) from happening on their property.

So if two gay men come in and want a room, they can just say no. Right away, it's an easy decision. And if the gay men want to argue about discrimination, the staff can just point to their rule which applies to everyone and say "see, it says here we won't rent a room to two people who are not married or related by blood" and that's the end of it.

But if there was even one gayly married couple in the whole country, they couldn't do that could they? The gay guys could just say they are married and the staff wouldn't be able to tell they weren't, because no-one knows how two men are supposed to behave when they are married. Even if the men both had the same second name on their ID that could be just coincidence and that's not enough without the little signs that everyone knows of when a man and a woman are married.

And even if the gay men WERE married, the staff might not want them having gay sex on their property, but if they tried to tell them NO there would be trouble about discriminating against THIS married couple but not against OTHER married couples.

Depending where that is, they might even get sued for discriminating that way even though it is their property to rent out how they like. If there wasn't any gay marriage, they could just say "gentlemen, you are not married, sorry try the trailer park down the road".

So there. Gay marriage violates property rights, and we hold those rights very dear you must agree.

were not talking about property were talk about two adults trying to be together.

That's what I am talking about. Two GAY adults trying to be together in the hotel when the management does not want them to. Read it!

so gay adults shouldn't be allowed to marry because of hotel management policys?

Policies that have already been ruled illegal if based on race rather than sexuality . . .

[Desperate Measures]

"Generally speaking, to avoid liability for refusal to receive a prospective guest, hotels must reasonably believe a person is unable or unwilling to pay, plans to use the room or premises for an unlawful purpose; or plans to bring a potentially dangerous object onto the premises." http://www.enotes.com:80/everyday-law-e ... ted-guests

Seeing how sexual orientation is not a crime, they are already opening themselves up to a lawsuit without gay marriage in place.

[Godforsaken Warmachine]

Seems like those people are in the wrong business. I can't imagine what goes on in some hotel rooms but I guarantee that gay sex is far, far better than some other things that happen.

that should be sufficent for you ^^

So you ask everyone "give me a reason" then you let soemone else do the argument for you.

no, but he seemed to sum it up nicely so i decided to quote him, there a problem with that?

That is not such a good answer, just "two wrongs make a right". And you had two tries before that and all you had to say was more questions.

Before you use the Socratic method maybe you should think what happened to Socrates. Hmm?

[Desperate Measures]

Seems like those people are in the wrong business. I can't imagine what goes on in some hotel rooms but I guarantee that gay sex is far, far better than some other things that happen.

that should be sufficent for you ^^

So you ask everyone "give me a reason" then you let soemone else do the argument for you.

no, but he seemed to sum it up nicely so i decided to quote him, there a problem with that?

That is not such a good answer, just "two wrongs make a right". And you had two tries before that and all you had to say was more questions.

Before you use the Socratic method maybe you should think what happened to Socrates. Hmm?

How many more answers would you like me to give?

[Godforsaken Warmachine]

can someone give a real reason why we shouldn't have gay marriage, other than a religous hate of it? even though Jesus never talked about homosexuality.

Let me see, a non-religious reason not to allow gay marriage. Hmm.

Some hotels or motels like to keep their property from being used for what they think are sinful purposes, like prostitution. Yes, they may have religion for doing that, but THEY are entitled to have religion, they're not the State are they.

One way to keep sin out of their property, is to only rent out rooms to two people of opposite sex if they are married. You have to understand, there are a lot of customers, usually they only stay one night or so. It's not like the hotel management can launch a police investigation to find out if people are married, there just isn't time for that and so the management has to use judgement and be on the lookout for liars. Wedding rings, same name on the ID, do the people look like they know each other well. The little things.

And because there are lots of married men and women in the world, the staff know what a married man and woman are like, so they can get it right most of the time and keep sinful dealings (as THEY see it, mind, I make no judgement) from happening on their property.

So if two gay men come in and want a room, they can just say no. Right away, it's an easy decision. And if the gay men want to argue about discrimination, the staff can just point to their rule which applies to everyone and say "see, it says here we won't rent a room to two people who are not married or related by blood" and that's the end of it.

But if there was even one gayly married couple in the whole country, they couldn't do that could they? The gay guys could just say they are married and the staff wouldn't be able to tell they weren't, because no-one knows how two men are supposed to behave when they are married. Even if the men both had the same second name on their ID that could be just coincidence and that's not enough without the little signs that everyone knows of when a man and a woman are married.

And even if the gay men WERE married, the staff might not want them having gay sex on their property, but if they tried to tell them NO there would be trouble about discriminating against THIS married couple but not against OTHER married couples.

Depending where that is, they might even get sued for discriminating that way even though it is their property to rent out how they like. If there wasn't any gay marriage, they could just say "gentlemen, you are not married, sorry try the trailer park down the road".

So there. Gay marriage violates property rights, and we hold those rights very dear you must agree.

were not talking about property were talk about two adults trying to be together.

That's what I am talking about. Two GAY adults trying to be together in the hotel when the management does not want them to. Read it!

so gay adults shouldn't be allowed to marry because of hotel management policys?

Policies that have already been ruled illegal if based on race rather than sexuality . . .

well that is just what I'm saying: its based on whether the people are married not what their sexuality is.

Really a hotel can't make you take two rooms if you are not married?? I didn't know that.

[Godforsaken Warmachine]

Seems like those people are in the wrong business. I can't imagine what goes on in some hotel rooms but I guarantee that gay sex is far, far better than some other things that happen.

that should be sufficent for you ^^

So you ask everyone "give me a reason" then you let soemone else do the argument for you.

no, but he seemed to sum it up nicely so i decided to quote him, there a problem with that?

That is not such a good answer, just "two wrongs make a right". And you had two tries before that and all you had to say was more questions.

Before you use the Socratic method maybe you should think what happened to Socrates. Hmm?

How many more answers would you like me to give?

Are you North Calaveras as well as Desperate Measures? Your answers seem much better than his.

[Desperate Measures]

Thanks, I guess. You have strange way of arguing. I'm blushing.