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New Tetraland wrote:

Cappuccina wrote:The answer is obviously direct rule from Washington.

From what I have seen and experienced in Puerto Rico, that can only be an upgrade. Even with Trump at the helm.

I've long been of the opinion that Puerto Rican autonomy was a mistake. They should be governed directly by the federal government for a while, and the end goal should be preparation for statehood.

New Tetraland wrote:It's no secret that the Puerto Rican government is highly corrupt that the island is a pretty violent place. None of this surprises me. Should the governor resign? Yes. But that alone won't bring any real change. The Puerto Rican government and society need to be reformed from the ground up.

Bottom-up revolution. I like your thinking. I'll get the pitchforks and begin organizing the Commune of San Juan

Cappuccina wrote:

New Tetraland wrote:
From what I have seen and experienced in Puerto Rico, that can only be an upgrade. Even with Trump at the helm.

I've long been of the opinion that Puerto Rican autonomy was a mistake. They should be governed directly by the federal government for a while, and the end goal should be preparation for statehood.

Yes!

Pasong Tirad wrote:

New Tetraland wrote:It's no secret that the Puerto Rican government is highly corrupt that the island is a pretty violent place. None of this surprises me. Should the governor resign? Yes. But that alone won't bring any real change. The Puerto Rican government and society need to be reformed from the ground up.

Bottom-up revolution. I like your thinking. I'll get the pitchforks and begin organizing the Commune of San Juan

Think you’ll need more than pitchforks…

Day five of protests was today: https://www.msn.com/en-us/news/us/in-massive-protest-thousands-call-for-puerto-rico-governor-to-resign/ar-AAEt7Kr

Rossello isn't budging yet.

Shrillland wrote:Day five of protests was today: https://www.msn.com/en-us/news/us/in-massive-protest-thousands-call-for-puerto-rico-governor-to-resign/ar-AAEt7Kr

Rossello isn't budging yet.

He won’t resign because the very position of governor protects him at the moment.

Nanatsu no Tsuki wrote:

Shrillland wrote:Day five of protests was today: https://www.msn.com/en-us/news/us/in-massive-protest-thousands-call-for-puerto-rico-governor-to-resign/ar-AAEt7Kr

Rossello isn't budging yet.

He won’t resign because the very position of governor protects him at the moment.

Ah, stepping down means being prosecuted, I see. Well, he can look forward to the PDP utterly destroying him next year in that case.

Shrillland wrote:

Nanatsu no Tsuki wrote:
He won’t resign because the very position of governor protects him at the moment.

Ah, stepping down means being prosecuted, I see. Well, he can look forward to the PDP utterly destroying him next year in that case.

Yep. Same thing happened with ex-governor Anibal Acevedo Vilá. He was asked to resign when the FBI arrested him. He didn’t. Guess what his trial’s verdict was? Innocent.

Correction: he wasn’t arrested, he turned himself in so as to keep his passport and travel privileges as governor.

Pasong Tirad wrote:

New Tetraland wrote:It's no secret that the Puerto Rican government is highly corrupt that the island is a pretty violent place. None of this surprises me. Should the governor resign? Yes. But that alone won't bring any real change. The Puerto Rican government and society need to be reformed from the ground up.

Bottom-up revolution. I like your thinking. I'll get the pitchforks and begin organizing the Commune of San Juan

Yeah, cause nothing makes things worse like communism.

New Tetraland wrote:

Pasong Tirad wrote:Bottom-up revolution. I like your thinking. I'll get the pitchforks and begin organizing the Commune of San Juan

Yeah, cause nothing makes things worse like communism.

I forget, did communism fuck up Puerto Rico? No? Ok then.

Rojava Free State wrote:Should Rosello resign from his post and let someone else take his place?

Yes he should by replaced by a military governor who institutes martial law and focusses on relief and reconstruction efforts.

Rojava Free State wrote:Is corruption a major problem on the island?

Yes

Rojava Free State wrote: How can we fix the government of the territory so it better serves the people it's supposed to represent?

See above. At least until things have been figured out and calmed down.

Cappuccina wrote:I've long been of the opinion that Puerto Rican autonomy was a mistake. They should be governed directly by the federal government for a while, and the end goal should be preparation for statehood.

This ^^

Rojava Free State wrote:Ricardo Rosello has been dealing with tension on the hoefront

Dem hoes.

Galloism wrote:

Rojava Free State wrote:
Puerto Rican governor Ricardo Rosello has been dealing with tension on the hoefront

Isn't this more of a personal problem?

He probably should pay for his full release.

Cappuccina wrote:The answer is obviously statehood.

Fixed (in bold). It's what the people want, as shown by referendums in 2012 and 2017, so the only reason they haven't been given statehood yet that I can think of is someone in Congress doesn't like Puerto Rico or Puerto Rican people.

And yes, the governor should resign. Wow.

Sounds like the governor needs to resign.

Puerto Rico's problems have been neglected by the federal government for a while. They obviously need help.

Ohioan Territory wrote:Sounds like the governor needs to resign.

Puerto Rico's problems have been neglected by the federal government for a while. They obviously need help.

But muh frees...

Obviously I agree.

Klorgia1 wrote:This is starting to feel like they get all the disadvantages of independence, none of the perks. US gov does help 'em to an extent though, just much, much less then you could pray for. If Hawaii was hit with a hurricane like this, wouldn't we react better?

Post-Katrina New Orleans says hi.

Ghost Land wrote:

Cappuccina wrote:The answer is obviously statehood.

Fixed (in bold). It's what the people want, as shown by referendums in 2012 and 2017, so the only reason they haven't been given statehood yet that I can think of is someone in Congress doesn't like Puerto Rico or Puerto Rican people.

And yes, the governor should resign. Wow.

Not exactly. Those referendums deliberately rigged the questions to favor statehood, there has never been a majority when three options, independence, statehood and remaining a territory are answers to the same question.

I actually support statehood, but we need a clean three option vote with a majority.

Cappuccina wrote:

New Tetraland wrote:
From what I have seen and experienced in Puerto Rico, that can only be an upgrade. Even with Trump at the helm.

I've long been of the opinion that Puerto Rican autonomy was a mistake. They should be governed directly by the federal government for a while, and the end goal should be preparation for statehood.

At the very least it needs much better federal oversight, and a dedicated FBI led task force to clear out all the corrupt politicians.

Cappuccina wrote:

New Tetraland wrote:
From what I have seen and experienced in Puerto Rico, that can only be an upgrade. Even with Trump at the helm.

I've long been of the opinion that Puerto Rican autonomy was a mistake. They should be governed directly by the federal government for a while, and the end goal should be preparation for statehood.

More colonialism never solves the problem. Just grant complete independence to Puerto Rico, nullify and void all of their debts to the United States, fully fund their reconstruction from Hurricane Maria, and actively work to implement social democracy in the country. That shall hopefully begin the path towards PR's recovery from its lost decade.

About time, Rosello was shady even before he was elected.

Czechoslovakia and Zakarpattia wrote:

Cappuccina wrote:I've long been of the opinion that Puerto Rican autonomy was a mistake. They should be governed directly by the federal government for a while, and the end goal should be preparation for statehood.

More colonialism never solves the problem. Just grant complete independence to Puerto Rico, nullify and void all of their debts to the United States, fully fund their reconstruction from Hurricane Maria, and actively work to implement social democracy in the country. That shall hopefully begin the path towards PR's recovery from its lost decade.

The only thing keeping us from voting for statehood is the fact that we might lose our Latino culture if we do; it's not like the US government is the only one that wants PR as a state.

Czechoslovakia and Zakarpattia wrote:

Cappuccina wrote:I've long been of the opinion that Puerto Rican autonomy was a mistake. They should be governed directly by the federal government for a while, and the end goal should be preparation for statehood.

More colonialism never solves the problem. Just grant complete independence to Puerto Rico, nullify and void all of their debts to the United States, fully fund their reconstruction from Hurricane Maria, and actively work to implement social democracy in the country. That shall hopefully begin the path towards PR's recovery from its lost decade.

The people of Puerto Rico do not want independence.
How is forcing what you want on them against their will better?

Nantoraka wrote:About time, Rosello was shady even before he was elected.

Czechoslovakia and Zakarpattia wrote:More colonialism never solves the problem. Just grant complete independence to Puerto Rico, nullify and void all of their debts to the United States, fully fund their reconstruction from Hurricane Maria, and actively work to implement social democracy in the country. That shall hopefully begin the path towards PR's recovery from its lost decade.

The only thing keeping us from voting for statehood is the fact that we might lose our Latino culture if we do; it's not like the US government is the only one that wants PR as a state.

You won't be able to reverse your austerity madness if you are fully annexed into the U.S. itself though, especially under a rightist Republican administration in Washington, and if the PDP suddenly decides to go "ENLIGHTENED CENTRIST" like American Democrats did since Clinton, your economy will continue declining.

Novus America wrote:

Czechoslovakia and Zakarpattia wrote:More colonialism never solves the problem. Just grant complete independence to Puerto Rico, nullify and void all of their debts to the United States, fully fund their reconstruction from Hurricane Maria, and actively work to implement social democracy in the country. That shall hopefully begin the path towards PR's recovery from its lost decade.

The people of Puerto Rico do not want independence.
How is forcing what you want on them against their will better?

Maybe because the U.S. has a track record of FUBARing everytime it meddled in Latin American and Carribean affairs and had a track record of repression in Haiti, Cuba, Nicaragua, Panama, et al? I wouldn't hold my breath for PR's recovery if they had to deal with Trump as their liege from D.C. You yourself stated that the questions of the referendum were rigged in a way to make it more likely for voters to choose direct rule from the 3 options, so the statistics may not be completely honest either.

Czechoslovakia and Zakarpattia wrote:

Nantoraka wrote:About time, Rosello was shady even before he was elected.


The only thing keeping us from voting for statehood is the fact that we might lose our Latino culture if we do; it's not like the US government is the only one that wants PR as a state.

You won't be able to reverse your austerity madness if you are fully annexed into the U.S. itself though, especially under a rightist Republican administration in Washington, and if the PDP suddenly decides to go "ENLIGHTENED CENTRIST" like American Democrats did since Clinton, your economy will continue declining.

Umm the current administration is absolutely NOT implementing austerity.
We have been running a large deficit.
Austerity has not been done since the 70s.

And the US economy is growing.