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Should MLMs be legal?

Yes. It's a legitimate business.
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Yes but with mandatory and clear disclosures of actual income statistics.
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No. They are blatantly fraudulent.
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I want to make easy money for no work!
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Postby Scomagia » Tue Jul 16, 2019 2:46 pm

Hammer Britannia wrote:You know, I just realized something.

1K a week isn't actually that impressive given how much their gonna spend on essential oils and crap

For example, a single "Purification" oil costs around 150$ / Fl. Oz and your gonna be buying a lot of that stuff. Let's say, you need to sell 30 .17 OZ bottles a week (the average size). That's around 750 dollars spent on purification per week, if not more. Meaning your making below minimum wage per week. (40-hour workweek)

Why did I pick on Essential Oils in particular? Well, because it's everywhere and it sucks.

Edit: I get that that's the point of an MLM. I am just pointing out that anyone who thinks for more than 5 seconds should realize it's a scam

The idea that's peddled isn't just that you'll make $1,000 a week but that you'll be able to do it while investing little effort.
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Postby Ethel mermania » Tue Jul 16, 2019 2:50 pm

Scomagia wrote:
Ethel mermania wrote:Amway's skin so soft is kinda nice.

I have an Avon cologne that I really like. The company is still evil.

I dont have much of an arguement to that, except to mention skin so soft has both the properties of a bug repellent, and a sunscreen, while healing your damaged skin with its moisturizers and other emollients.
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Postby Rojava Free State » Tue Jul 16, 2019 4:06 pm

It was a pyramid scheme that triggered the Albanian civil war

Let that sink in when you doing for a second that these scams aren't dangerous. When they get big enough, they can run a country broke and trigger anarchy
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Postby Lanoraie II » Tue Jul 16, 2019 5:14 pm

I'm having flashbacks to all my godmom's friends selling LuLaRoe on their FB pages.

They're pretty crappy and oughta be illegal.
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Postby Pacomia » Tue Jul 16, 2019 5:17 pm

Lanoraie II wrote:I'm having flashbacks to all my godmom's friends selling LuLaRoe on their FB pages.

They're pretty crappy and oughta be illegal.

Luckily, I don’t know anyone who was ever part of an MLM (as far as I know). Many MLMs are actually borderline cult, though, and they’re totally frauds. I hate MLMs, and likely would even more with experience.
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Postby Farnhamia » Tue Jul 16, 2019 5:18 pm

Ethel mermania wrote:
Scomagia wrote:I have an Avon cologne that I really like. The company is still evil.

I dont have much of an arguement to that, except to mention skin so soft has both the properties of a bug repellent, and a sunscreen, while healing your damaged skin with its moisturizers and other emollients.

And it leaves your fur so glossy.
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Postby New haven america » Tue Jul 16, 2019 5:19 pm

The Huskar Social Union wrote:Thought this would be about your woman sending tap water to thirsty boyos on the internet for some reason.


Anyway, scam's a scam, doesnt matter how you dress it up.

Even that's less lucrative, because you can make sick bank selling air to China.
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Postby Costa Fierro » Tue Jul 16, 2019 5:30 pm

I thought this was about cam-girls.
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Postby Vetalia » Tue Jul 16, 2019 5:41 pm

Even if you made $52,000 per year working as an MLM that's not really a good deal considering how much you'd have to work.
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Postby Scomagia » Tue Jul 16, 2019 7:55 pm

Ethel mermania wrote:
Scomagia wrote:I have an Avon cologne that I really like. The company is still evil.

I dont have much of an arguement to that, except to mention skin so soft has both the properties of a bug repellent, and a sunscreen, while healing your damaged skin with its moisturizers and other emollients.

You know, I've heard that about Skin So Soft. I've never used it myself.

Amway's other products are allegedly hot garbage.
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Postby Scomagia » Tue Jul 16, 2019 7:57 pm

Costa Fierro wrote:I thought this was about cam-girls.

Nah, just something that manages to be creepier and even more prone to exploitation.
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Postby Duhon » Tue Jul 16, 2019 9:05 pm

I thought this was about camgirls, but hoo boy, MLMs... more mass appeal combined with far less oversight.

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Postby US-SSR » Tue Jul 16, 2019 9:12 pm

If you want to "always be closing" you'd be better off getting a commission sales job for a legitimate business, not an MSM whose business is selling product to its own sales force imo.

Duhon wrote:I thought this was about camgirls, but hoo boy, MLMs... more mass appeal combined with far less oversight.


I had a similar thought. I was reminded of the guy who came home to find his wife packing her bags. "What's up?" he asks.

"I'm moving to Alaska and turning whore. You can make a thousand bucks a trick there."

The guy says nothing, leaves the room but comes back with a bag and starts packing himself. "Hey, what are you doing?" asks his wife.

"I'm coming with you. Imagine being able to get by on a thousand bucks a year!"

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Postby Duhon » Tue Jul 16, 2019 9:20 pm

Rojava Free State wrote:It was a pyramid scheme that triggered the Albanian civil war

Let that sink in when you doing for a second that these scams aren't dangerous. When they get big enough, they can run a country broke and trigger anarchy


Not quite anarchy in our side of the world, but my country has seen quite a few of these MLMs prosper then go bust, leaving its members holding the bag and the founders scooting off to countries the Philippines has either no extradition treaty with, or to countries where their loot can ensure protection by top business and especially political figures, to the tune of one infamously newsworthy one per admin, since at least Arroyo's time.

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Postby The Free Joy State » Tue Jul 16, 2019 9:26 pm

They're a total scam and I've seen people get suckered in by them. They seem to be especially multiplying in the age of social media.

If outright banning isn't possible (although, I'd personally favour that route), they should be regulated every which way but loose, social media sites should pull any ads promising vast rewards and the most ads should be able to say is "You may make a little money, but we'll make a lot more from you" (giving the actual income the average person makes doing it, and the amount of hours they work to make it).
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Postby Caracasus » Wed Jul 17, 2019 12:22 am

Yeah couple of decades back my mum was looking for work that'd fit in with kids and looked into something like this. Then she got this catalogue of this company's products and how to sign up. It was something like you had to spend a couple of hundred quid on products and some bullshit registration fee. She said no thankfully, but I think that's how they get you. By the time you realise it's a scam, you've already invested so much time and money that you fall for the whole 'sunk costs' thing. Fortunately in my country I think they tightened the laws on this sort of thing, I certainly don't come across them often. From what I have seen of the states though, these seem pretty common which sucks because they are basically set up to prey on desprate people.
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Postby Pacomia » Wed Jul 17, 2019 12:25 am

Yeah, I see essential oils all over the place. Pretty fucking terrible.
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Postby Scomagia » Wed Jul 17, 2019 12:26 am

Pacomia wrote:Yeah, I see essential oils all over the place. Pretty fucking terrible.

My wife and I use oil diffusers (I actually prefer incense) but we just by them from Walmart. Much cheaper than buying from huns.
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Postby Caracasus » Wed Jul 17, 2019 12:29 am

Scomagia wrote:
Pacomia wrote:Yeah, I see essential oils all over the place. Pretty fucking terrible.

My wife and I use oil diffusers (I actually prefer incense) but we just by them from Walmart. Much cheaper than buying from huns.


Yeah incense is better in my opinion. Mind you, with incense you do have to avoid the stuff that smells like someone set fire to a scented soap factory.
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Postby The Free Joy State » Wed Jul 17, 2019 12:29 am

Caracasus wrote:Yeah couple of decades back my mum was looking for work that'd fit in with kids and looked into something like this. Then she got this catalogue of this company's products and how to sign up. It was something like you had to spend a couple of hundred quid on products and some bullshit registration fee. She said no thankfully, but I think that's how they get you. By the time you realise it's a scam, you've already invested so much time and money that you fall for the whole 'sunk costs' thing. Fortunately in my country I think they tightened the laws on this sort of thing, I certainly don't come across them often. From what I have seen of the states though, these seem pretty common and set up to prey on desprate people.

They've theoretically tightened the regulations, I think. But they still breed pretty freely online. I can't open my newsfeed without getting some advert off to one side: [Place Where Google Says I Live]: Local Woman Is Making £3000 a Month Part-Time! Click Here So We Can Scam You Tell You How!

I have an adblocker, but doesn't protect me when I'm browsing my newsfeed.
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Postby Caracasus » Wed Jul 17, 2019 12:32 am

The Free Joy State wrote:
Caracasus wrote:Yeah couple of decades back my mum was looking for work that'd fit in with kids and looked into something like this. Then she got this catalogue of this company's products and how to sign up. It was something like you had to spend a couple of hundred quid on products and some bullshit registration fee. She said no thankfully, but I think that's how they get you. By the time you realise it's a scam, you've already invested so much time and money that you fall for the whole 'sunk costs' thing. Fortunately in my country I think they tightened the laws on this sort of thing, I certainly don't come across them often. From what I have seen of the states though, these seem pretty common and set up to prey on desprate people.

They've theoretically tightened the regulations, I think. But they still breed pretty freely online. I can't open my newsfeed without getting some advert off to one side: [Place Where Google Says I Live]: Local Woman Is Making £3000 a Month Part-Time! Click Here So We Can Scam You Tell You How!

I have an adblocker, but doesn't protect me when I'm browsing my newsfeed.


Yeah they're sharks and online spaces have given then even more room to operate.

When my mum phoned up and said 'actually no thanks' they tried to charge her for the catalogue they sent out. Bullshit stuff really.

Edit. I don't use facebook myself but isnt there some way to report them, or would they just not care?
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Postby Scomagia » Wed Jul 17, 2019 12:39 am

Caracasus wrote:
Scomagia wrote:My wife and I use oil diffusers (I actually prefer incense) but we just by them from Walmart. Much cheaper than buying from huns.


Yeah incense is better in my opinion. Mind you, with incense you do have to avoid the stuff that smells like someone set fire to a scented soap factory.

Oh god, I know! Some incense just smell like cleaning chemicals. Yuck!
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Postby Scomagia » Wed Jul 17, 2019 12:42 am

The Free Joy State wrote:
Caracasus wrote:Yeah couple of decades back my mum was looking for work that'd fit in with kids and looked into something like this. Then she got this catalogue of this company's products and how to sign up. It was something like you had to spend a couple of hundred quid on products and some bullshit registration fee. She said no thankfully, but I think that's how they get you. By the time you realise it's a scam, you've already invested so much time and money that you fall for the whole 'sunk costs' thing. Fortunately in my country I think they tightened the laws on this sort of thing, I certainly don't come across them often. From what I have seen of the states though, these seem pretty common and set up to prey on desprate people.

They've theoretically tightened the regulations, I think. But they still breed pretty freely online. I can't open my newsfeed without getting some advert off to one side: [Place Where Google Says I Live]: Local Woman Is Making £3000 a Month Part-Time! Click Here So We Can Scam You Tell You How!

I have an adblocker, but doesn't protect me when I'm browsing my newsfeed.

Part of the problem is that the companies themselves have gotten smarter about not making false claims. All the top reps just unofficially encourage their recruits to do it and, when those recruits get reported, they axe em. An easy scapegoat and they get to keep perpetuating fraud without consequences to the company. :(
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Postby Caracasus » Wed Jul 17, 2019 12:46 am

Scomagia wrote:
Caracasus wrote:
Yeah incense is better in my opinion. Mind you, with incense you do have to avoid the stuff that smells like someone set fire to a scented soap factory.

Oh god, I know! Some incense just smell like cleaning chemicals. Yuck!


Yeah got one that was called something weird like 'nightime warlock' or whatever once. Smelt rancid.

Do you get Satya stuff over in the states? Probably the most reliable one I have found, though the lavender one smells weirdly of cat urine.
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Postby Gerrst » Wed Jul 17, 2019 1:13 am

Interesting, I thought that at least some MLM (like Avon) were legitimate in that they actually make a profit on products.

I think banning them is difficult because of the difficulty between differentiating between legitimate businesses and illegitimate. I mean, we can all agree that a company that makes profit from membership fees and not a product is wrong, but the same people responsible for Hollywood accounting (google it) could easily work around such a ban.

There is also a spectrum. For example I know people (in this case men) who go jobs as salesmen, but didn't end up making money. This is, I believe the business model for many door to door salesmen businesses. Either, the salesmen buy the product and must resell it or they get paid only commission or commission and a nominal salary.

One person I knew worked as a car dealer, and as he first started, he found it difficult to sell cars, and they few he sold, he was forced to sell at a price where he got a minimum commission. He wasn't a natural salesman, but his employer didn't support him much either.

A more similar case to MLM is a vacuum company. The salesmen received everything over the base price. The company would advertise to new recruits that they could earn lots of money, and top salesmen won trips. However, both my friends that worked there, didn't sell to anyone outside their family, whom they didn't charge much. They soon quit.

I think the best thing to do is educate people against scams in school, and to strengthen truth in advertising laws to use them against misleading recruitment statements.

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