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Should MLMs be legal?

Yes. It's a legitimate business.
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5%
Yes but with mandatory and clear disclosures of actual income statistics.
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No. They are blatantly fraudulent.
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I want to make easy money for no work!
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Total votes : 66

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Heloin
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Postby Heloin » Tue Jul 16, 2019 1:48 pm

Petrolheadia wrote:
Scomagia wrote:The same could be said about any scam, though. These companies deliberately prey on desperate young women and stay at home moms, two groups eager to make money selling things to their friends and, in the case of moms, too busy to really get the facts straight. I have a lot of sympathy for those being hustled.

You can have sympathy, but it still does not invalidate their ability to reason by themselves. If you don't know what you're getting into, don't get into it.

Victor Lustig was able to convince someone to buy the Eiffel Tower, a third of Albanians in the 1990's were tricked into Ponzi schemes, MLM scams take in hundreds if not thousands of people. People get scammed all the time and it's not the victims fault. Well the guy who bought the Eiffel Tower was probably a moron, but still, not the one at fault.

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Postby Camarder » Tue Jul 16, 2019 1:49 pm

I just rebuked the third attempt by a Scamway type fraud to con me. Being self-employed attracts these creatures like being thirsty in the desert attracts vultures. What strikes me is how incredibly condescending their marketing is - no concrete numbers, all emotions and blasting painfully loud "music" at you. At least the fraudsters here are still naive - they just let you leave if you are not interested, and even MENTION the word "Amway", though only after some time (record time for now was 30 minutes).

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Postby Petrolheadia » Tue Jul 16, 2019 1:49 pm

Heloin wrote:
Petrolheadia wrote:You can have sympathy, but it still does not invalidate their ability to reason by themselves. If you don't know what you're getting into, don't get into it.

Victor Lustig was able to convince someone to buy the Eiffel Tower, a third of Albanians in the 1990's were tricked into Ponzi schemes, MLM scams take in hundreds if not thousands of people. People get scammed all the time and it's not the victims fault. Well the guy who bought the Eiffel Tower was probably a moron, but still, not the one at fault.

If you don't bother to check whether what you're doing is actually profitable or legit, it's your problem.
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Postby Petrolheadia » Tue Jul 16, 2019 1:50 pm

Camarder wrote:I just rebuked the third attempt by a Scamway type fraud to con me. Being self-employed attracts these creatures like being thirsty in the desert attracts vultures. What strikes me is how incredibly condescending their marketing is - no concrete numbers, all emotions and blasting painfully loud "music" at you. At least the fraudsters here are still naive - they just let you leave if you are not interested, and even MENTION the word "Amway", though only after some time (record time for now was 30 minutes).

See? One can resist MLM scams.
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Postby Griemvarant » Tue Jul 16, 2019 1:51 pm

Why would any woman try for a pyramid scheme when they could just go on Twitch, get a Patreon, and make $50k+ annually just for dancing around?
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Postby Scomagia » Tue Jul 16, 2019 1:51 pm

Camarder wrote:I just rebuked the third attempt by a Scamway type fraud to con me. Being self-employed attracts these creatures like being thirsty in the desert attracts vultures. What strikes me is how incredibly condescending their marketing is - no concrete numbers, all emotions and blasting painfully loud "music" at you. At least the fraudsters here are still naive - they just let you leave if you are not interested, and even MENTION the word "Amway", though only after some time (record time for now was 30 minutes).

Amway is one of the worst. They often waste people's time by giving phony "interviews" only to give the real pitch after an hour of bullshit.
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Postby Petrolheadia » Tue Jul 16, 2019 1:52 pm

Griemvarant wrote:Why would any woman try for a pyramid scheme when they could just go on Twitch, get a Patreon, and make $50k+ annually just for dancing around?

If that's true, why aren't more women doing it?
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Postby Scomagia » Tue Jul 16, 2019 1:53 pm

Griemvarant wrote:Why would any woman try for a pyramid scheme when they could just go on Twitch, get a Patreon, and make $50k+ annually just for dancing around?

That's hardly a realistic option. Most women don't meet the absurd and unrealistic body expectations that Twitch creeps have.
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Postby Cekoviu » Tue Jul 16, 2019 1:53 pm

Griemvarant wrote:Why would any woman try for a pyramid scheme when they could just go on Twitch, get a Patreon, and make $50k+ annually just for dancing around?

Not all of us are gorgeous, and it's very uncommon for doing that to actually be a decent career.
Not to mention, some people actually want a reputation so they have something to do when they're no longer hot.
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Postby Scomagia » Tue Jul 16, 2019 1:55 pm

Cekoviu wrote:
Griemvarant wrote:Why would any woman try for a pyramid scheme when they could just go on Twitch, get a Patreon, and make $50k+ annually just for dancing around?

Not all of us are gorgeous, and it's very uncommon for doing that to actually be a decent career.
Not to mention, some people actually want a reputation so they have something to do when they're no longer hot.

Gorgeousness isn't the point. A lot of beautiful women still fall short of the preposterous fantasies of internet fappers.
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Postby Bear Stearns » Tue Jul 16, 2019 1:57 pm

I'm actually a shareholder in Herbalife lmao
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Postby Scomagia » Tue Jul 16, 2019 2:00 pm

Bear Stearns wrote:I'm actually a shareholder in Herbalife lmao

Shame on you!
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Postby Cekoviu » Tue Jul 16, 2019 2:01 pm

Scomagia wrote:
Cekoviu wrote:Not all of us are gorgeous, and it's very uncommon for doing that to actually be a decent career.
Not to mention, some people actually want a reputation so they have something to do when they're no longer hot.

Gorgeousness isn't the point. A lot of beautiful women still fall short of the preposterous fantasies of internet fappers.

Yeah, you're not wrong. I remember when I used to use that garbage bin of Reddit, and a quite good-looking woman put her nudes on some porn subreddit, but the users whined and insulted her for committing the heinous crime of having armpit hair. It's insane.
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Postby Scomagia » Tue Jul 16, 2019 2:05 pm

Cekoviu wrote:
Scomagia wrote:Gorgeousness isn't the point. A lot of beautiful women still fall short of the preposterous fantasies of internet fappers.

Yeah, you're not wrong. I remember when I used to use that garbage bin of Reddit, and a quite good-looking woman put her nudes on some porn subreddit, but the users whined and insulted her for committing the heinous crime of having armpit hair. It's insane.

It is absurd and I really don't get it.

I like women who look like real people and not flawless, primped up dolls. Porn actresses and such actually creep me out a bit.
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Postby Cekoviu » Tue Jul 16, 2019 2:13 pm

Scomagia wrote:
Cekoviu wrote:Yeah, you're not wrong. I remember when I used to use that garbage bin of Reddit, and a quite good-looking woman put her nudes on some porn subreddit, but the users whined and insulted her for committing the heinous crime of having armpit hair. It's insane.

It is absurd and I really don't get it.

I like women who look like real people and not flawless, primped up dolls. Porn actresses and such actually creep me out a bit.

Yeah, I totally agree. Same for men.
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Postby Scomagia » Tue Jul 16, 2019 2:15 pm

Cekoviu wrote:
Scomagia wrote:It is absurd and I really don't get it.

I like women who look like real people and not flawless, primped up dolls. Porn actresses and such actually creep me out a bit.

Yeah, I totally agree. Same for men.

Yet another thing we agree on. See, told you it was more than just spiders. :)

Getting back on topic, why do you think women are the primary targets of MLMs?
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Postby Hammer Britannia » Tue Jul 16, 2019 2:20 pm

They're overglorified scams and should be illegal IMO
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Postby Cekoviu » Tue Jul 16, 2019 2:20 pm

Scomagia wrote:
Cekoviu wrote:Yeah, I totally agree. Same for men.

Yet another thing we agree on. See, told you it was more than just spiders. :)

Getting back on topic, why do you think women are the primary targets of MLMs?

I actually don't know if they are or not. I was going based on what you said.
A thought I had is that women are more vulnerable to MLMs for the reasons you said, but also because there's a social expectation for those groups of women to be accommodating. I like this comedy segment illustrating it.
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Postby Ethel mermania » Tue Jul 16, 2019 2:23 pm

Amway's skin so soft is kinda nice.
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Postby Scomagia » Tue Jul 16, 2019 2:27 pm

Cekoviu wrote:
Scomagia wrote:Yet another thing we agree on. See, told you it was more than just spiders. :)

Getting back on topic, why do you think women are the primary targets of MLMs?

I actually don't know if they are or not. I was going based on what you said.
A thought I had is that women are more vulnerable to MLMs for the reasons you said, but also because there's a social expectation for those groups of women to be accommodating. I like this comedy segment illustrating it.

I'll have to find the actual numbers but women are disproportionately involved in MLMs, both as recruiters and buyers. It's weird because it shouldn't be that hard to find an MLM scheme that would appeal to men.
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Postby Scomagia » Tue Jul 16, 2019 2:28 pm

Ethel mermania wrote:Amway's skin so soft is kinda nice.

I have an Avon cologne that I really like. The company is still evil.
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Postby Cekoviu » Tue Jul 16, 2019 2:29 pm

Scomagia wrote:
Cekoviu wrote:I actually don't know if they are or not. I was going based on what you said.
A thought I had is that women are more vulnerable to MLMs for the reasons you said, but also because there's a social expectation for those groups of women to be accommodating. I like this comedy segment illustrating it.

I'll have to find the actual numbers but women are disproportionately involved in MLMs, both as recruiters and buyers. It's weird because it shouldn't be that hard to find an MLM scheme that would appeal to men.

I'd be really interested in any studies explaining that psycho/sociologically. I'll probably take a look around tomorrow when I'm on my computer.
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Postby Blargoblarg » Tue Jul 16, 2019 2:34 pm

Since they're basically a version of pyramid schemes, they should be illegal.
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Postby Hammer Britannia » Tue Jul 16, 2019 2:34 pm

You know, I just realized something.

1K a week isn't actually that impressive given how much their gonna spend on essential oils and crap

For example, a single "Purification" oil costs around 150$ / Fl. Oz and your gonna be buying a lot of that stuff. Let's say, you need to sell 30 .17 OZ bottles a week (the average size). That's around 750 dollars spent on purification per week, if not more. Meaning your making below minimum wage per week. (40-hour workweek)

Why did I pick on Essential Oils in particular? Well, because it's everywhere and it sucks.

Edit: I get that that's the point of an MLM. I am just pointing out that anyone who thinks for more than 5 seconds should realize it's a scam
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Postby The New California Republic » Tue Jul 16, 2019 2:36 pm

Pyramid scheme. Someone once tried to rope me into one, I told them to go hang.
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