Shaykh Yusuf and Post-Secular Human Rights

by **Al Mumtahanah** » Tue Jul 16, 2019 1:38 pm

Inkopolitia wrote:
ECKU wrote:Islamically speaking it is.

This has got to be a joke. If it isn't, i'm fucking glad the world is not Islamic.

"The fornicatress and the fornicator--flog each of them with a hundred stripes; and do not let pity for them hold you back from carrying out God's law, if you truly believe in God and the Last Day; and let a group of believers witness their punishment."

Quran 24:2

by **The Blaatschapen** » Tue Jul 16, 2019 1:39 pm

The Holy Therns wrote:
ECKU wrote:Are you capable of telling the difference between "sexuality" as in the expression of it (excluding the sexual parts) and "sex" as in the actual act of intercourse?

Dude, this is like saying you should be allowed to be Muslim as long as you don't worship your god.

Or you're allowed to be Swedish but not partake in Fika.

by **ECKU** » Tue Jul 16, 2019 1:39 pm

The Holy Therns wrote:
ECKU wrote:Are you capable of telling the difference between "sexuality" as in the expression of it (excluding the sexual parts) and "sex" as in the actual act of intercourse?

Dude, this is like saying you should be allowed to be Muslim as long as you don't worship your god.

"Your god" still isn't a thing in Al-Islam. We belong to Allah SWT, not the other way around.

by **Nova Cyberia** » Tue Jul 16, 2019 1:39 pm

Al Mumtahanah wrote:
Inkopolitia wrote:This has got to be a joke. If it isn't, i'm fucking glad the world is not Islamic.

"The fornicatress and the fornicator--flog each of them with a hundred stripes; and do not let pity for them hold you back from carrying out God's law, if you truly believe in God and the Last Day; and let a group of believers witness their punishment."

Quran 24:2

and do not let pity for them hold you back from carrying out God's law

wew

Your religion is telling you to not feel empathy for others.

Your religion kind of sucks.

by **ECKU** » Tue Jul 16, 2019 1:39 pm

Al Mumtahanah wrote:
Inkopolitia wrote:This has got to be a joke. If it isn't, i'm fu*king glad the world is not Islamic.

"The fornicatress and the fornicator--flog each of them with a hundred stripes; and do not let pity for them hold you back from carrying out God's law, if you truly believe in God and the Last Day; and let a group of believers witness their punishment."

Quran 24:2

https://legacy.quran.com/24/2

by **Nova Cyberia** » Tue Jul 16, 2019 1:40 pm

ECKU wrote:
The Holy Therns wrote:
Dude, this is like saying you should be allowed to be Muslim as long as you don't worship your god.

"Your god" still isn't a thing in Al-Islam. We belong to Allah SWT, not the other way around.

I don't.

by **The Holy Therns** » Tue Jul 16, 2019 1:40 pm

ECKU wrote:
The Holy Therns wrote:
Dude, this is like saying you should be allowed to be Muslim as long as you don't worship your god.

"Your god" still isn't a thing in Al-Islam. We belong to Allah SWT, not the other way around.

Ignoring my point, I see.

by **Nova Cyberia** » Tue Jul 16, 2019 1:40 pm

Nova Cyberia wrote:
ECKU wrote:Actually I'd be ok with physically opposing punishments for minor/non crimes

https://islamqa.info/en/answers/20327/why-is-the-apostate-to-be-executed-in-islam
The evidence that the apostate is to be executed is the words of the Prophet (peace and blessings of Allaah be upon him): “Whoever changes his religion, execute him.” (Narrated by al-Bukhaari, 2794). What is meant by religion here is Islam (i.e., whoever changes from Islam to another religion).

The Prophet (peace and blessings of Allaah be upon him) said: “It is not permissible to shed the blood of a Muslim who bears witness that there is no god except Allaah and that I am His Messenger, except in one of three cases: a soul for a soul (i.e., in the case of murder); a married man who commits adultery; and one who leaves his religion and splits form the jamaa’ah (main group of Muslims).” (Narrated by al-Bukhaari, 6878; Muslim, 1676)

See al-Mawsoo’ah al-Fiqhiyyah, 22/180.

So you disagree with your Prophet?

Stillllllll waiting.

by **Al Mumtahanah** » Tue Jul 16, 2019 1:40 pm

Nova Cyberia wrote:
Al Mumtahanah wrote:"The fornicatress and the fornicator--flog each of them with a hundred stripes; and do not let pity for them hold you back from carrying out God's law, if you truly believe in God and the Last Day; and let a group of believers witness their punishment."

Quran 24:2

and do not let pity for them hold you back from carrying out God's law

wew

Your religion is telling you to not feel empathy for others.

Your religion kind of sucks.

No, it's saying don't let it prevent you from obeying God.

by **ECKU** » Tue Jul 16, 2019 1:41 pm

Al Mumtahanah wrote:
Nova Cyberia wrote:
wew

Your religion is telling you to not feel empathy for others.

Your religion kind of sucks.

No, it's saying don't let it prevent you from obeying God.

^This

by **The Huskar Social Union** » Tue Jul 16, 2019 1:41 pm

Al Mumtahanah wrote:
Nova Cyberia wrote:
wew

Your religion is telling you to not feel empathy for others.

Your religion kind of sucks.

No, it's saying don't let it prevent you from obeying God.

If your god wants you to whip people, your god is evil.

by **Fartsniffage** » Tue Jul 16, 2019 1:42 pm

ECKU wrote:
Kragholm Free States wrote:

Does flogging someone not inflict harm upon them?

Not the way Al-Islam does it, no:
https://islamqa.info/en/answers/13233/d ... mmits-zina

Kinky.

by **ECKU** » Tue Jul 16, 2019 1:42 pm

The Huskar Social Union wrote:
Al Mumtahanah wrote:No, it's saying don't let it prevent you from obeying God.

If your god wants you to whip people, your god is evil.

Allah SWT isn't Al Mumtahanah's god. Al Mumtahanah is Allah's SWT slave.

by **Nova Cyberia** » Tue Jul 16, 2019 1:43 pm

Al Mumtahanah wrote:
Nova Cyberia wrote:
wew

Your religion is telling you to not feel empathy for others.

Your religion kind of sucks.

No, it's saying don't let it prevent you from obeying God.

In other words, do not feel empathy for them while you barbarically inflict pain on them.

Wonderful.

by **Loben The 2nd** » Tue Jul 16, 2019 1:44 pm

ECKU wrote:
The Huskar Social Union wrote:If your god wants you to whip people, your god is evil.

Allah SWT isn't Al Mumtahanah's god. Al Mumtahanah is Allah's SWT slave.

he should probably blink twice if he wants to be rescued from captivity.

by **Nova Cyberia** » Tue Jul 16, 2019 1:44 pm

ECKU wrote:
The Huskar Social Union wrote:If your god wants you to whip people, your god is evil.

Allah SWT isn't Al Mumtahanah's god. Al Mumtahanah is Allah's SWT slave.

Allah's really into BDSM.

by **Necroghastia** » Tue Jul 16, 2019 1:44 pm

ECKU wrote:
The Holy Therns wrote:
Dude, this is like saying you should be allowed to be Muslim as long as you don't worship your god.

"Your god" still isn't a thing in Al-Islam. We belong to Allah SWT, not the other way around.

To use the same master/slave analogy you insist on, it's the exact same thing as saying "your master." It's not implying ownership, just a relation.

by **Trollzyn the Infinite** » Tue Jul 16, 2019 1:45 pm

Highever wrote:
ECKU wrote:I think it's good, AlHamdulillah. We need more Muslim Islamic voices in governments.

Opposite if what we need actually.

^This.

by **ECKU** » Tue Jul 16, 2019 1:46 pm

Loben The 2nd wrote:
ECKU wrote:Allah SWT isn't Al Mumtahanah's god. Al Mumtahanah is Allah's SWT slave.

he should probably blink twice if he wants to be rescued from captivity.

No committed Muslim wants to be 'rescued' aka 'tricked out of' the captivity of Allah SWT.

by **Nova Cyberia** » Tue Jul 16, 2019 1:47 pm

ECKU wrote:
Loben The 2nd wrote:
he should probably blink twice if he wants to be rescued from captivity.

No committed Muslim wants to be 'rescued' aka 'tricked out of' the captivity of Allah SWT.

Well, they're probably afraid of being killed for apostasy.

by **Fartsniffage** » Tue Jul 16, 2019 1:48 pm

ECKU wrote:
The Huskar Social Union wrote:If your god wants you to whip people, your god is evil.

Allah SWT isn't Al Mumtahanah's god. Al Mumtahanah is Allah's SWT slave.

“Our god and your god are one” (29:46)

by **Inkopolitia** » Tue Jul 16, 2019 1:49 pm

Al Mumtahanah wrote:
Inkopolitia wrote:This has got to be a joke. If it isn't, i'm fucking glad the world is not Islamic.

"The fornicatress and the fornicator--flog each of them with a hundred stripes; and do not let pity for them hold you back from carrying out God's law, if you truly believe in God and the Last Day; and let a group of believers witness their punishment."

Quran 24:2

Lol mate, why do you keep adding points to my argument? I already said I am fucking glad the world is not Islamic, and you're giving me more reasons than I already have to be glad it is not Islamic.

by **Nova Cyberia** » Tue Jul 16, 2019 1:49 pm

Inkopolitia wrote:
Al Mumtahanah wrote:"The fornicatress and the fornicator--flog each of them with a hundred stripes; and do not let pity for them hold you back from carrying out God's law, if you truly believe in God and the Last Day; and let a group of believers witness their punishment."

Quran 24:2

Lol mate, why do you keep adding points to my argument? I already said I am fucking glad the world is not Islamic, and you're giving me more reasons than I already have to be glad it is not Islamic.

That's just about the only useful thing he's done so far here.

by **ECKU** » Tue Jul 16, 2019 1:51 pm

Fartsniffage wrote:
ECKU wrote:Allah SWT isn't Al Mumtahanah's god. Al Mumtahanah is Allah's SWT slave.

“Our god and your god are one” (29:46)

SaDaqallahul-'ADHeem (Allah SWT has spoken the truth). I concede that argument. Y'all win.

by **Trollzyn the Infinite** » Tue Jul 16, 2019 1:52 pm

Nova Cyberia wrote:
Inkopolitia wrote:Lol mate, why do you keep adding points to my argument? I already said I am fucking glad the world is not Islamic, and you're giving me more reasons than I already have to be glad it is not Islamic.

That's just about the only useful thing he's done so far here.

Hard to believe how anyone can actually find Islam appealing.

Yet here we are...

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