Shaykh Yusuf and Post-Secular Human Rights

[Al Mumtahanah]

Correct

1: Yes
2: The debate is whether there should be a punishment
3: Human rights are defined by Allah SWT; the kind of war brother Roger is talking about is probs the kufr kind of human 'rights'

No said anything about that.

I'll never understand your utter failure to grasp the concept of the first amendment and why sharia is therefore jnvalid in the States. Nor how you think that continually showing contempt and disdain for the secular law and constitution is somehow going to endear the American population to Islam.

The theory is that Shariaa would function under a parallel court system. For example Pakistan had a Supreme Court, which is secular, but there is also a Federal Shariat Court. So there wouldn't necessarily be a conflict here.

[Necroghastia]

>human rights
>free of secularism

Can't have both tbqh

[ECKU]

Correct

1: Yes
2: The debate is whether there should be a punishment
3: Human rights are defined by Allah SWT; the kind of war brother Roger is talking about is probs the kufr kind of human 'rights'

No said anything about that.

I'll never understand your utter failure to grasp the concept of the first amendment and why sharia is therefore jnvalid in the States.

You say that like I don't know that and hence why I don't like that part of the 1wt amendment.

Nor how you think that continually showing contempt and disdain for the secular law and constitution is somehow going to endear the American population to Islam.

You say that like I'm the only person who doesn't like secularism and the US constitution. Just because you don't like Al-Islam for x reason(s) does not mean everyone else agree with you.

[Fartsniffage]

I'll never understand your utter failure to grasp the concept of the first amendment and why sharia is therefore jnvalid in the States. Nor how you think that continually showing contempt and disdain for the secular law and constitution is somehow going to endear the American population to Islam.

The theory is that Shariaa would function under a parallel court system. For example Pakistan had a Supreme Court, which is secular, but there is also a Federal Shariat Court. So there wouldn't necessarily be a conflict here.

LOL.

[ECKU]

I'll never understand your utter failure to grasp the concept of the first amendment and why sharia is therefore jnvalid in the States. Nor how you think that continually showing contempt and disdain for the secular law and constitution is somehow going to endear the American population to Islam.

The theory is that Shariaa would function under a parallel court system. For example Pakistan had a Supreme Court, which is secular, but there is also a Federal Shariat Court. So there wouldn't necessarily be a conflict here.

Exactly what I've said. There should be a Shari'ah and kufr court. Ideally I'd like a court for all religions but that up to said religions' adherents.

[Necroghastia]

The theory is that Shariaa would function under a parallel court system. For example Pakistan had a Supreme Court, which is secular, but there is also a Federal Shariat Court. So there wouldn't necessarily be a conflict here.

Exactly what I've said. There should be a Shari'ah and kufr court. Ideally I'd like a court for all religions but that up to said religions' adherents.

What is even the point of a religious court system? On whose authority would it be backed?

[Al Mumtahanah]

>human rights
>free of secularism

Can't have both tbqh

There has been a lot of research on post-secular law and rights, the article covers some.

[ECKU]

Exactly what I've said. There should be a Shari'ah and kufr court. Ideally I'd like a court for all religions but that up to said religions' adherents.

What is even the point of a religious court system?

The same point that every courts system has: to enforce the law.

On whose authority would it be backed?

Allah's SWT.

[Fartsniffage]

What is even the point of a religious court system?

The same point that every courts system has: to enforce the law.

On whose authority would it be backed?

Allah's SWT.

Bring him to justify his laws and face election and then we'll talk.

[Necroghastia]

What is even the point of a religious court system?

The same point that every courts system has: to enforce the law.

Why should the law not be the same for everybody?

On whose authority would it be backed?

Allah's SWT.

Why should your interpretation of your god have any government-recognized authority?

[ECKU]

The same point that every courts system has: to enforce the law.

Allah's SWT.

Bring him to justify his laws and face election and then we'll talk.

There are no elections in an Islamic government (except for the shura). And in the terms of law, there especially is no dispute or choice: https://legacy.quran.com/33/36

[Andsed]

Bring him to justify his laws and face election and then we'll talk.

There are no elections in an Islamic government (except for the shura). And in the terms of law, there especially is no dispute or choice: https://legacy.quran.com/33/36

Sounds like a very shitty government.

[Fartsniffage]

Bring him to justify his laws and face election and then we'll talk.

There are no elections in an Islamic government (except for the shura). And in the terms of law, there especially is no dispute or choice: https://legacy.quran.com/33/36

So how are the leaders decided?

[ECKU]

The same point that every courts system has: to enforce the law.

Why should the law not be the same for everybody?

Because Muslims shouldn't be ruled under kufr law. We already have our own laws mandated by Allah SWT.

Why should your interpretation of your god have any government-recognized authority?

I didn't say anything about my interpretation. Nor does "my" God exist in Al-Islam. We belong to Allah SWT, not the other way around.

[ECKU]

There are no elections in an Islamic government (except for the shura). And in the terms of law, there especially is no dispute or choice: https://legacy.quran.com/33/36

So how are the leaders decided?

Like I said, shura (council). A council votes on the next leader.

[Kragholm Free States]

There are no elections in an Islamic government (except for the shura). And in the terms of law, there especially is no dispute or choice: https://legacy.quran.com/33/36

So how are the leaders decided?

Allah's SWT (Slavers, Warlords, and Terrorists)™ fight each other until one of them emerges as the winner. And then continue to fight because Allah just loves that shit.

[Necroghastia]

Why should the law not be the same for everybody?

Because Muslims shouldn't be ruled under kufr law. We already have our own laws mandated by Allah SWT.

That's dandy if you want to live by those personally/individually, but why should there be a court system?

Why should your interpretation of your god have any government-recognized authority?

I didn't say anything about my interpretation. Nor does "my" God exist in Al-Islam. We belong to Allah SWT, not the other way around.

Cut the BS and answer the question.

[ECKU]

So how are the leaders decided?

Allah's SWT (Slavers, Warlords, and Terrorists)™ fight each other until one of them emerges as the winner. And then continue to fight because Allah just loves that *hit.

You think that's what "SWT" means?

[Fartsniffage]

Because Muslims shouldn't be ruled under kufr law. We already have our own laws mandated by Allah SWT.

We disagree with your laws and have the firepower to back it up. As has been evidenced everytime a Western country has fucked over a Muslim country.

You might have Allah but we have air superiority. Perhaps if you lot decided to be less backwards you'd have a chance. But nah.

[Fartsniffage]

So how are the leaders decided?

Like I said, shura (council). A council votes on the next leader.

Ah. So you have a feudal system. Nice.

[ECKU]

Because Muslims shouldn't be ruled under kufr law. We already have our own laws mandated by Allah SWT.

That's dandy if you want to live by those personally/individually, but why should there be a court system?

Because Al-Islam isn't just a personal "do x in your personal life and get y". It's a whole way of life, including having a system of governance. There are criminal laws and punishments laid out in the Holy Qur'an and Sunnah that must be upheld.

Cut the BS and answer the question.

There is no bs. I'm not gonna answer a question that asks me stuff I didn't say.

[ECKU]

Because Muslims shouldn't be ruled under kufr law. We already have our own laws mandated by Allah SWT.

We disagree with your laws and have the firepower to back it up. As has been evidenced everytime a Western country has *ucked over a Muslim country.

You do realize what usually happens in those situations right? That's not something to be proud of.

You might have Allah but we have air superiority. Perhaps if you lot decided to be less backwards you'd have a chance. But nah.

We aren't backwards. That's your own personal opinion.

[Necroghastia]

That's dandy if you want to live by those personally/individually, but why should there be a court system?

Because Al-Islam isn't just a personal "do x in your personal life and get y". It's a whole way of life, including having a system of governance. There are criminal laws and punishments laid out in the Holy Qur'an and Sunnah that must be upheld.

Cut the BS and answer the question.

There is no bs. I'm not gonna answer a question that asks me stuff I didn't say.

You didn't say that the government should endorse your interpretation of your god? Not in so many words, but that's exactly the argument you make when you saw Sharia should be enforced.

[Al Mumtahanah]

Because Muslims shouldn't be ruled under kufr law. We already have our own laws mandated by Allah SWT.

We disagree with your laws and have the firepower to back it up. As has been evidenced everytime a Western country has fucked over a Muslim country.

You might have Allah but we have air superiority. Perhaps if you lot decided to be less backwards you'd have a chance. But nah.

Are you trying to antagonize Muslims?

[Kragholm Free States]

Allah's SWT (Slavers, Warlords, and Terrorists)™ fight each other until one of them emerges as the winner. And then continue to fight because Allah just loves that shit.

You think that's what "SWT" means?

Not at all, I'm sure it means sa'Lamd'uliLlah wa'Lamd'uliLlah ta'Lamd'uliLlah or something.