Shaykh Yusuf and Post-Secular Human Rights

[Old Tyrannia]

Alhamdulillah. The more Muslims in the governments the better, I have high hopes and insha'allah I and the others here who also have high hopes are proven right.

Assalaamu 'Alaikum

Speaking without my mod hat on as a participant in the thread, you have been warned about this sort of thing.

[ECKU]

Assalaamu 'Alaikum

Speaking without my mod hat on as a participant in the thread, you have been warned about this sort of thing.

Literally every Muslim knows what that means.

[Old Tyrannia]

Speaking without my mod hat on as a participant in the thread, you have been warned about this sort of thing.

Literally every Muslim knows what that means.

Perhaps, but the vast majority of posters on this forum are not Muslims.

[Risastorstein]

I'm pretty sure "Deus Vult", "Vade Retro Satana" and other Latin phrases but also "Bonjour" or "Hola" are allowed, aren't they? No need for being overzealous.

[The Blaatschapen]

Assalaamu 'Alaikum

Speaking without my mod hat on as a participant in the thread, you have been warned about this sort of thing.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/As-salamu_alaykum

Not every arabian phrase is bad

[The Huskar Social Union]

I'm pretty sure "Deus Vult", "Vade Retro Satana" and other Latin phrases but also "Bonjour" or "Hola" are allowed, aren't they? No need for being overzealous.

Yeah but throwing them in near every damn post is annoying as fuck and he has been told to knock it off.

[Old Tyrannia]

Speaking without my mod hat on as a participant in the thread, you have been warned about this sort of thing.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/As-salamu_alaykum

Not every arabian phrase is bad

There's nothing wrong with the phrase itself, but Amin has been asked to avoid posting so much in Arabic given that most posters here don't speak it.

[The Huskar Social Union]

If he respects secular law i dont care, if he doesnt he can fuck right off.

[Samudera Darussalam]

I'm pretty sure "Deus Vult", "Vade Retro Satana" and other Latin phrases but also "Bonjour" or "Hola" are allowed, aren't they? No need for being overzealous.

Yeah but throwing them in near every damn post is annoying as fuck and he has been told to knock it off.

Uh, "Assalamualaikum" and "wa alaikumsalam" are just greetings. But sure, a rule stays a rule, so please do remind me or maybe the others if I or them forget to write the translation of the Arabic or foreign phrases that I or them may use, that you have no idea about.

Thanks!

[The Blaatschapen]

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/As-salamu_alaykum

Not every arabian phrase is bad

There's nothing wrong with the phrase itself, but Amin has been asked to avoid posting so much in Arabic given that most posters here don't speak it.

Fair enough

[The Huskar Social Union]

Yeah but throwing them in near every damn post is annoying as fuck and he has been told to knock it off.

Uh, "Assalamualaikum" and "wa alaikumsalam" are just greetings. But sure, a rule stays a rule, so please do remind me or maybe the others if I or them forget to write the translation of the Arabic or foreign phrases that I or them may use, that you have no idea about.

Thanks!

I know those are greetings, but im talking in general, he throws random arabic words he knows the majority us cant read into near every damn post he makes.

[Samudera Darussalam]

Uh, "Assalamualaikum" and "wa alaikumsalam" are just greetings. But sure, a rule stays a rule, so please do remind me or maybe the others if I or them forget to write the translation of the Arabic or foreign phrases that I or them may use, that you have no idea about.

Thanks!

I know those are greetings, but im talking in general, he throws random arabic words he knows the majority us cant read into near every damn post he makes.

Yeah, I understand the grievance
Maybe I'm going to talk to him to use a more....commonly used words or phrases so that it may not disturb the discussion.

[Nanatsu no Tsuki]

As much as I respect people’s rights to worship, I’d rather not have a religiously minded person advising a government on human rights. I’d rather we kept this secular. Nor does Sharia law has a place in the West. In fact, no, I don’t want such a practice to be accepted in place where I live.

[Aureumterra]

Religion has no place in gov’t, end of story

[Risottia]

Too bad that this bloody planet has moved on from the early Iron Age. We've got better than that.

Other forms of slavery are still being practiced to this day so idk what you mean by saying "Iron Age".

I mean that that sort of moral code was very progressive compared to early Iron Age standards.

[Kowani]

Religion has no place in gov’t, end of story

Yep, this.

[Farnhamia]

I know those are greetings, but im talking in general, he throws random arabic words he knows the majority us cant read into near every damn post he makes.

Yeah, I understand the grievance
Maybe I'm going to talk to him to use a more....commonly used words or phrases so that it may not disturb the discussion.

All he has to do is post them in English and there is no problem. Very few people here are impressed by his vast knowledge of Arabic.

[Camarder]

You do not resolve a conflict with fantasy-based views by "finding a common language with them". Ultimately, the notion of human rights can only come FROM humans, and must be debated by humans, not humans who arrogantly claim to speak for a hypothetical sky-being. A beard you could lose a goat in and a flowery grasp of arabic do NOT confer any special insights in this area, and do not give you any special rights.

[Al Mumtahanah]

You do not resolve a conflict with fantasy-based views by "finding a common language with them". Ultimately, the notion of human rights can only come FROM humans, and must be debated by humans, not humans who arrogantly claim to speak for a hypothetical sky-being. A beard you could lose a goat in and a flowery grasp of arabic do NOT confer any special insights in this area, and do not give you any special rights.

Better throw out the American Declaration of Independence.

[LiberNovusAmericae]

If human rights are so antithetical to the Muslim world that they are considered a form of warfare, then the Muslim world absolutely deserves to be dragged kicking and screaming into the 21st century; out of the shadow of barbarism and into the light of civilisation. I sincerely hope that when Ismail Roger speaks of "true respect for rights rather than [...] LGBT ideology", he doesn't mean the right of Muslims to administer lashes to homosexuals.

This ^^

[Al Mumtahanah]

If human rights are so antithetical to the Muslim world that they are considered a form of warfare, then the Muslim world absolutely deserves to be dragged kicking and screaming into the 21st century; out of the shadow of barbarism and into the light of civilisation. I sincerely hope that when Ismail Roger speaks of "true respect for rights rather than [...] LGBT ideology", he doesn't mean the right of Muslims to administer lashes to homosexuals.

This ^^

If a Muslim said the kufr world needs to be dragged kicking and screaming into Islam, you would see this is arrogant bloodlust.

[The Emerald Legion]

This ^^

If a Muslim said the kufr world needs to be dragged kicking and screaming into Islam, you would see this is arrogant bloodlust.

And? The non Muslim world vastly outnumbers the Muslim world.

[Dooom35796821595]

This ^^

If a Muslim said the kufr world needs to be dragged kicking and screaming into Islam, you would see this is arrogant bloodlust.

The problem with that theory is that the modern world have already gone through the religious phases, and grown past them. The fact that Islam is slow to adapt is its own problem.

[ECKU]

I'm pretty sure "Deus Vult", "Vade Retro Satana" and other Latin phrases but also "Bonjour" or "Hola" are allowed, aren't they? No need for being overzealous.

Yeah but throwing them in near every d*mn post is annoying as f*ck and he has been told to knock it off.

The foe list exists for a reason.

Uh, "Assalamualaikum" and "wa alaikumsalam" are just greetings. But sure, a rule stays a rule, so please do remind me or maybe the others if I or them forget to write the translation of the Arabic or foreign phrases that I or them may use, that you have no idea about.

Thanks!

I know those are greetings, but im talking in general, he throws random arabic words he knows the majority us cant read into near every da*n post he makes.

It's almost like I translate the majority of the kalimaat bil-'arabiyyah (Arabic words), like, I feel like it's something I said before... idk, maybe I'm just seeing things.

As much as I respect people’s rights to worship, I’d rather not have a religiously minded person advising a government on human rights. I’d rather we kept this secular. Nor does Sharia law has a place in the West. In fact, no, I don’t want such a practice to be accepted in place where I live.

Yeah, Shari'ah is already in the west. Insha-Allah it'll fully be in place.

Other forms of slavery are still being practiced to this day so idk what you mean by saying "Iron Age".

I mean that that sort of moral code was very progressive compared to early Iron Age standards.

Cool. That's not what I'm saying

You do not resolve a conflict with fantasy-based views by "finding a common language with them". Ultimately, the notion of human rights can only come FROM humans, and must be debated by humans, not humans who arrogantly claim to speak for a hypothetical sky-being. A beard you could lose a goat in and a flowery grasp of arabic do NOT confer any special insights in this area, and do not give you any special rights.

Better throw out the American Declaration of Independence.

^This. And the constitution.

[ECKU]

If a Muslim said the kufr world needs to be dragged kicking and screaming into Islam, you would see this is arrogant bloodlust.

The problem with that theory is that the modern world have already gone through the religious phases, and grown past them. The fact that Islam is slow to adapt is its own problem.

No one has a problem with Allah's SWT religion except those who hate it. They're the ones with a problem.