Shaykh Yusuf and Post-Secular Human Rights

[ECKU]

"The fornicatress and the fornicator--flog each of them with a hundred stripes; and do not let pity for them hold you back from carrying out God's law, if you truly believe in God and the Last Day; and let a group of believers witness their punishment."

Quran 24:2

Lol mate, why do you keep adding points to my argument? I already said I am f*cking glad the world is not Islamic, and you're giving me more reasons than I already have to be glad it is not Islamic.

I think you forgot to answer this question of mine:

Thinking that people do not deserve to be physically and emotionally abused just because a god said that they DO deserve harm jut because of their sexuality is not subjective. I'll repeat it again.

Thinking that people should be treated as f*cking human beings regardless of their sexuality is not subjective, it's a sign of being able to empathize and is also a sign of being a decent human being.

So you believe in objective morality?

[Nova Cyberia]

That's just about the only useful thing he's done so far here.

Hard to believe how anyone can actually find Islam appealing.

Yet here we are...

Probably why so many people leave it once they come to Western nations.

[Loben The 2nd]

Allah SWT isn't Al Mumtahanah's god. Al Mumtahanah is Allah's SWT slave.

“Our god and your god are one” (29:46)

i can assure you that the christian god and the islamic one are differently not the same.

[Al Mumtahanah]

No, it's saying don't let it prevent you from obeying God.

In other words, do not feel empathy for them while you barbarically inflict pain on them.

Wonderful.

You certainly should as it prevents you from excess.

[Kragholm Free States]

In other words, do not feel empathy for them while you barbarically inflict pain on them.

Wonderful.

You certainly should as it prevents you from excess.

Inflicting pain on innocent people is inherently excessive.

[Cekoviu]

I mean "harm" as in "severe harm", not harm that equivalent to a around a spanking

Harm is harm. You said you do not advocate causing harm. That was a lie.

so how does Islamic whipping work?

does one have to wear a ball gag?

Nah, that'd make it too hard to shout "spank me harder big daddy SWT" after every lash, as decreed by Mohammed himself.

I quite nearly burst out laughing on the train after reading this.

[ECKU]

In other words, do not feel empathy for them while you barbarically inflict pain on them.

Wonderful.

You certainly should as it prevents you from excess.

^This. It's 100 lashes. Not more, not less.

[Fartsniffage]

“Our god and your god are one” (29:46)

i can assure you that the christian god and the islamic one are differently not the same.

*checks bible* Are you sure about that?

[ECKU]

You certainly should as it prevents you from excess.

Inflicting pain on innocent people is inherently excessive.

Agreed

[Loben The 2nd]

i can assure you that the christian god and the islamic one are differently not the same.

*checks bible* Are you sure about that?

its an opinion i like to believe.

[Necroghastia]

You certainly should as it prevents you from excess.

^This. It's 100 lashes. Not more, not less.

100 lashes for something that harms no one is inherently excessive.

[Trollzyn the Infinite]

You certainly should as it prevents you from excess.

^This. It's 100 lashes. Not more, not less.

You realize a hundred lashes can actually fucking kill someone, right?

i can assure you that the christian god and the islamic one are differently not the same.

*checks bible* Are you sure about that?

*checks New Testament*

Yes.

[Kragholm Free States]

Inflicting pain on innocent people is inherently excessive.

Agreed

Then why do you support doing exactly that?

[ECKU]

^This. It's 100 lashes. Not more, not less.

You realize a hundred lashes can actually *ucking kill someone, right?

You realize that there are rules to lashing that prevent even going near that, right?

Agreed

Then why do you support doing exactly that?

I don't.

[Trollzyn the Infinite]

You realize a hundred lashes can actually *ucking kill someone, right?

You realize that there are rules to lashing that prevent even going near that, right?

Like...?

[Nova Cyberia]

In other words, do not feel empathy for them while you barbarically inflict pain on them.

Wonderful.

You certainly should as it prevents you from excess.

Funny.

Lashing someone for consensual sex with another adult sounds like quite an excess.

[ECKU]

You realize that there are rules to lashing that prevent even going near that, right?

Like...?

https://islamqa.info/en/answers/13233/description-of-flogging-for-an-unmarriezd-person-who-commits-zina

It is done with a stick and can't be hard enough to draw blood.

To add on to what Al Mumtahanah said, the criminal's clothes can't be taken off, nor can they be tied up to something. The whip also has to be gently used, not too new nor too old. The whipper cannot raise his/her arm above the shoulder nor whip sensitive parts of the body.

[Inkopolitia]

Lol mate, why do you keep adding points to my argument? I already said I am f*cking glad the world is not Islamic, and you're giving me more reasons than I already have to be glad it is not Islamic.

I think you forgot to answer this question of mine:

So you believe in objective morality?

... Yes? Because, you know, killing people (You may say it's lashing, but how the hell can a person survive being lashed 100 times?) because of their sexuality is NOT a good thing to do.

[Nova Cyberia]

It is done with a stick and can't be hard enough to draw blood.

Nah, Islam just calls for gays to be killed.
https://islamqa.info/en/answers/38622/the-punishment-for-homosexuality

al-Tirmidhi (1456), Abu Dawood (4462)and Ibn Maajah (2561) narrated that Ibn ‘Abbaas (may Allaah be pleased with him) said: The Messenger of Allaah (peace and blessings of Allaah be upon him) said: “Whoever you find doing the action of the people of Loot, execute the one who does it and the one to whom it is done.”. Classed as saheeh by al-Albaani in Saheeh al-Tirmidhi. 

Ahmad (2915) narrated from Ibn ‘Abbaas (may Allaah be pleased with him) that the Prophet of Allaah (peace and blessings of Allaah be upon him) said: “May Allaah curse the one who does the action of the people of Loot, may Allaah curse the one who does the action of the people of Loot,” three times. This was classed as hasan by Shu’ayb al-Arna’oot in Tahqeeq al-Musnad. 

The Sahaabah were unanimously agreed on the execution of homosexuals, but they differed as to how they were to be executed. Some of them were of the view that they should be burned with fire, which was the view of ‘Ali (may Allaah be pleased with him) and also of Abu Bakr (may Allaah be pleased with him), as we shall see below. And some of them thought that they should be thrown down from a high place then have stones thrown at them. This was the view of Ibn ‘Abbaas (may Allaah be pleased with him). 

Just gonna repost this since Amin wants to lie again and pretend like Islam is kind to gays.

[ECKU]

I think you forgot to answer this question of mine:

... Yes? Because, you know, killing people (You may say it's lashing, but how the hell can a person survive being lashed 100 times?) because of their sexuality is NOT a good thing to do.

See above.

[Inkopolitia]

Nah, Islam just calls for gays to be killed.
https://islamqa.info/en/answers/38622/the-punishment-for-homosexuality

Just gonna repost this since Amin wants to lie again and pretend like Islam is kind to gays.

Absolutely fucking disgusting. We're in the 21st century, how and WHY are defending a religion that calls for the BURNING ALIVE of innocent people just because they aren't straight?

[Inkopolitia]

... Yes? Because, you know, killing people (You may say it's lashing, but how the hell can a person survive being lashed 100 times?) because of their sexuality is NOT a good thing to do.

See above.

I answered it, though...

[Trollzyn the Infinite]

Like...?

https://islamqa.info/en/answers/13233/description-of-flogging-for-an-unmarriezd-person-who-commits-zina

It is done with a stick and can't be hard enough to draw blood.

To add on to what Al Mumtahanah said, the criminal's clothes can't be taken off, nor can they be tied up to something. The whip also has to be gently used, not too new nor too old. The whipper cannot raise his/her arm above the shoulder nor whip sensitive parts of the body.

1. Your link is irrelevant as it's specifically discussing adultery whereas we're talking about gays.
2. Unless they're wearing a puffy winter coat beating someone with a stick 100 times will eventually draw blood.

[Al Mumtahanah]

^This. It's 100 lashes. Not more, not less.

You realize a hundred lashes can actually fucking kill someone, right?

*checks bible* Are you sure about that?

*checks New Testament*

Yes.

Paul: "God's law is null and void, it belongs in the trash, if you follow it you will burn in hell! Follow Roman Law though, those idolatrous pederast emperors are invested with authority by God. N-no, I'm not just trying to appeal to Greeks and Romans to popularize my sect...."

[EastKekistan]

Hard to believe how anyone can actually find Islam appealing.

Yet here we are...

Probably why so many people leave it once they come to Western nations.

It is appealing to some incels and MRA people.