Shaykh Yusuf and Post-Secular Human Rights

[ECKU]

Explain to me how talking on a forum makes me a threat.

I am not talking about you being a threat because you talk on a forum, im saying your a *ucking threat because you think inflicting physical, psychological and emotional harm on people is fine and dandy if you slap your gods name on it.

"You're god" is still not a thing in Al-Islam. Also no one said anything about harm.

Anyone can stroll through this forum and see you justifying rape

You still have to prove this

slavery

This is still vague

floggings

This is true.

implementations of religious laws against peoples wills

In the same way that a citizens of a country has laws implemented on them against their will,which seems like a petty thing to say is against one's will.

That is why your a threat, not because you talk on a forum, but because of what you represent.

Gang gang!

You know this, stop being deliberately obtuse to paint yourself as a victim, because you are in no way shape or form a fu*king victim.

Now you have a new thing to prove.

[Al Mumtahanah]

Explain to me how talking on a forum makes me a threat.

I am not talking about you being a threat because you talk on a forum, im saying your a fucking threat because you think inflicting physical, psychological and emotional harm on people is fine and dandy if you slap your gods name on it. Anyone can stroll through this forum and see you justifying rape, slavery, floggings, implementations of religious laws against peoples wills and a ton of other shit clear as day.

That is why your a threat, not because you talk on a forum, but because of what you represent.

You know this, stop being deliberately obtuse to paint yourself as a victim, because you are in no way shape or form a fucking victim.

I made a thread for you.

viewtopic.php?f=16&t=468434&p=35950974#p35950974

[Kragholm Free States]

no one said anything about harm.

floggings

This is true.

Does flogging someone not inflict harm upon them?

[ECKU]

no one said anything about harm.

This is true.

Does flogging someone not inflict harm upon them?

Not the way Al-Islam does it, no:
https://islamqa.info/en/answers/13233/d ... mmits-zina

[Kragholm Free States]

Does flogging someone not inflict harm upon them?

Not the way Al-Islam does it, no:
https://islamqa.info/en/answers/13233/d ... mmits-zina

You are aware that causing pain is generally considered harm, yes?

[Nova Cyberia]

Maybe, but Syria, Iraq, Jordan, Lebanon, Afghanistan, Egypt, Sudan, and Libya all certainly do.

The Western countries (ie the most powerful and modern in the world) are primarily Christian.

Are you saying that's why they're so wealthy and not because of colonialism?

"In 1820, before the first Opium War, China's economy was the largest in the world, according to British economist Angus Maddison.[3] In another investigative report published by Michael Cemblast of JP Morgan and updated by the World Economic Forum, similar conclusions were reached—i.e., China's economy was the largest in the world for many centuries until the Opium Wars.[3][4] Furthermore, China was a net exporter, and had large trade surpluses with most Western countries. Within a decade after the end of the Second Opium War, China's share of global GDP had fallen by half.[4]"

I'm saying there are various things holding these countries back, and Islam's primitiveness is one of them.

[ECKU]

Not the way Al-Islam does it, no:
https://islamqa.info/en/answers/13233/d ... mmits-zina

You are aware that causing pain is generally considered harm, yes?

I mean "harm" as in "severe harm", not harm that equivalent to a around a spanking

[Loben The 2nd]

Does flogging someone not inflict harm upon them?

Not the way Al-Islam does it, no:
https://islamqa.info/en/answers/13233/d ... mmits-zina

so how does Islamic whipping work?

does one have to wear a ball gag?

[Nova Cyberia]

Actually I'd be ok with physically opposing punishments for minor/non crimes

https://islamqa.info/en/answers/20327/why-is-the-apostate-to-be-executed-in-islam

The evidence that the apostate is to be executed is the words of the Prophet (peace and blessings of Allaah be upon him): “Whoever changes his religion, execute him.” (Narrated by al-Bukhaari, 2794). What is meant by religion here is Islam (i.e., whoever changes from Islam to another religion). 

The Prophet (peace and blessings of Allaah be upon him) said: “It is not permissible to shed the blood of a Muslim who bears witness that there is no god except Allaah and that I am His Messenger, except in one of three cases: a soul for a soul (i.e., in the case of murder); a married man who commits adultery; and one who leaves his religion and splits form the jamaa’ah (main group of Muslims).” (Narrated by al-Bukhaari, 6878; Muslim, 1676) 

See al-Mawsoo’ah al-Fiqhiyyah, 22/180. 

So you disagree with your Prophet?

Still waiting for an answer, Amin.

[Al Mumtahanah]

Not the way Al-Islam does it, no:
https://islamqa.info/en/answers/13233/d ... mmits-zina

so how does Islamic whipping work?

does one have to wear a ball gag?

It is done with a stick and can't be hard enough to draw blood.

[Loben The 2nd]

so how does Islamic whipping work?

does one have to wear a ball gag?

It is done with a stick and can't be hard enough to draw blood.

Thats not really whipping thats beating.

[Kragholm Free States]

You are aware that causing pain is generally considered harm, yes?

I mean "harm" as in "severe harm", not harm that equivalent to a around a spanking

Harm is harm. You said you do not advocate causing harm. That was a lie.

Not the way Al-Islam does it, no:
https://islamqa.info/en/answers/13233/d ... mmits-zina

so how does Islamic whipping work?

does one have to wear a ball gag?

Nah, that'd make it too hard to shout "spank me harder big daddy SWT" after every lash, as decreed by Mohammed himself.

[The Huskar Social Union]

so how does Islamic whipping work?

does one have to wear a ball gag?

It is done with a stick and can't be hard enough to draw blood.

Thats beating not flogging. Flogging involves a whip, you know.. the thing you use for flogging.

Oh and beating someone but it doesnt cause bleeding is not a valid thing to fucking to do to someone.

[Loben The 2nd]

It is done with a stick and can't be hard enough to draw blood.

Thats beating not flogging. Flogging involves a whip, you know.. the thing you use for flogging.

Oh and beating someone but it doesnt cause bleeding is not a valid thing to fucking to do to someone.

believe me id know the differance between flogging and beating.

[ECKU]

It is done with a stick and can't be hard enough to draw blood.

Thats beating not flogging. Flogging involves a whip, you know.. the thing you use for flogging.

Oh and beating someone but it doesnt cause bleeding is not a valid thing to f*cking to do to someone.

Islamically speaking it is.

To add on to what Al Mumtahanah said, the criminal's clothes can't be taken off, nor can they be tied up to something. The whip also has to be gently used, not too new nor too old. The whipper cannot raise his/her arm above the shoulder nor whip sensitive parts of the body.

[Inkopolitia]

This. If by "true respect for rights rather than the LGBT ideology" he means "Right to lash gay/lesbian/trans people" then it's just going back to the 15th century.


Shari'ah law should not be enforced neither even remotely thought about as a valid way to rule over the people of a country. Period. It's backwards and barbaric, that's it.

^And that right there is subjective and an opinion, that's it.

Thinking that people do not deserve to be physically and emotionally abused just because a god said that they DO deserve harm jut because of their sexuality is not subjective. I'll repeat it again.

Thinking that people should be treated as fucking human beings regardless of their sexuality is not subjective, it's a sign of being able to empathize and is also a sign of being a decent human being.

[Nova Cyberia]

so how does Islamic whipping work?

does one have to wear a ball gag?

It is done with a stick and can't be hard enough to draw blood.

Nah, Islam just calls for gays to be killed.
https://islamqa.info/en/answers/38622/the-punishment-for-homosexuality

al-Tirmidhi (1456), Abu Dawood (4462)and Ibn Maajah (2561) narrated that Ibn ‘Abbaas (may Allaah be pleased with him) said: The Messenger of Allaah (peace and blessings of Allaah be upon him) said: “Whoever you find doing the action of the people of Loot, execute the one who does it and the one to whom it is done.”. Classed as saheeh by al-Albaani in Saheeh al-Tirmidhi. 

Ahmad (2915) narrated from Ibn ‘Abbaas (may Allaah be pleased with him) that the Prophet of Allaah (peace and blessings of Allaah be upon him) said: “May Allaah curse the one who does the action of the people of Loot, may Allaah curse the one who does the action of the people of Loot,” three times. This was classed as hasan by Shu’ayb al-Arna’oot in Tahqeeq al-Musnad. 

The Sahaabah were unanimously agreed on the execution of homosexuals, but they differed as to how they were to be executed. Some of them were of the view that they should be burned with fire, which was the view of ‘Ali (may Allaah be pleased with him) and also of Abu Bakr (may Allaah be pleased with him), as we shall see below. And some of them thought that they should be thrown down from a high place then have stones thrown at them. This was the view of Ibn ‘Abbaas (may Allaah be pleased with him). 

[Kowani]

Thats beating not flogging. Flogging involves a whip, you know.. the thing you use for flogging.

Oh and beating someone but it doesnt cause bleeding is not a valid thing to f*cking to do to someone.

Islamically speaking it is.

Good thing most of the world’s not Islamic, then.

[Kragholm Free States]

Thats beating not flogging. Flogging involves a whip, you know.. the thing you use for flogging.

Oh and beating someone but it doesnt cause bleeding is not a valid thing to f*cking to do to someone.

Islamically speaking it is.

Then I rather think humanity as a whole should try very hard to avoid speaking Islamically, it's clearly not very civilised.

[Al Mumtahanah]

It is done with a stick and can't be hard enough to draw blood.

Thats not really whipping thats beating.

It was commonly called whipping when used in western penal codes and "whupping" in colloquial American when used to discipline children.

[ECKU]

^And that right there is subjective and an opinion, that's it.

Thinking that people do not deserve to be physically and emotionally abused just because a god said that they DO deserve harm jut because of their sexuality is not subjective. I'll repeat it again.

Thinking that people should be treated as f*cking human beings regardless of their sexuality is not subjective, it's a sign of being able to empathize and is also a sign of being a decent human being.

So you believe in objective morality?

[The Huskar Social Union]

Thats beating not flogging. Flogging involves a whip, you know.. the thing you use for flogging.

Oh and beating someone but it doesnt cause bleeding is not a valid thing to f*cking to do to someone.

Islamically speaking it is.

To add on to what Al Mumtahanah said, the criminal's clothes can't be taken off, nor can they be tied up to something. The whip also has to be gently used, not too new nor too old. The whipper cannot raise his/her arm above the shoulder nor whip sensitive parts of the body.

Rationally and logically speaking its not a valid fucking thing to do to someone.

"Islamically" it can fuck off.


This is why Islam needs to modernise, to get rid of this bullshit.

[Inkopolitia]

Thats beating not flogging. Flogging involves a whip, you know.. the thing you use for flogging.

Oh and beating someone but it doesnt cause bleeding is not a valid thing to f*cking to do to someone.

Islamically speaking it is.

This has got to be a joke. If it isn't, i'm fucking glad the world is not Islamic.

[Nova Cyberia]

Islamically speaking it is.

This has got to be a joke. If it isn't, i'm fucking glad the world is not Islamic.

Religious zealotry is a funny thing.

[The Holy Therns]

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Are you capable of fu*king reading?

Are you capable of telling the difference between "sexuality" as in the expression of it (excluding the sexual parts) and "sex" as in the actual act of intercourse?

Dude, this is like saying you should be allowed to be Muslim as long as you don't worship your god.