Shaykh Yusuf and Post-Secular Human Rights

[The Emerald Legion]

Is that why most Muslim countries are third world?

So are most Catholic countries, so are atheist countries. Does Dubai look third world to you?

Yes to be honest.

[Nova Cyberia]

Is that why most Muslim countries are third world?

So are most Catholic countries, so are atheist countries. Does Dubai look third world to you?

Maybe, but Syria, Iraq, Jordan, Lebanon, Afghanistan, Egypt, Sudan, and Libya all certainly do.

The Western countries (ie the most powerful and modern in the world) are primarily Christian.

[Cekoviu]

Islam in the large majority of interpretations is inherently opposed to human rights, as are Christianity and Judaism. Human rights must remain secular.

[ECKU]

Just a quick question to the supporters of the institution of Islamic law,

Do you personally believe that Muslims should be permitted to convert away from Islam at any time for any reason without fear of reprisal or punishment from other people?

It's a sin, but as long they don't fight against Shari'ah they should be ok.

[Cekoviu]

Just a quick question to the supporters of the institution of Islamic law,

Do you personally believe that Muslims should be permitted to convert away from Islam at any time for any reason without fear of reprisal or punishment from other people?

It's a sin, but as long they don't fight against Shari'ah they should be ok.

"It's okay to personally oppose injustice and horrific punishments for minor crimes/non-crimes as long as you don't do anything to fight against it!"

[ECKU]

Islam in the large majority of interpretations is inherently opposed to human rights, as are Christianity and Judaism. Human rights must remain secular.

Al-Islam isn't contradictory to human rights.

[ECKU]

It's a sin, but as long they don't fight against Shari'ah they should be ok.

"It's okay to personally oppose injustice and horrific punishments for minor crimes/non-crimes as long as you don't do anything to fight against it!"

Actually I'd be ok with physically opposing punishments for minor/non crimes

[The Huskar Social Union]

"It's okay to personally oppose injustice and horrific punishments for minor crimes/non-crimes as long as you don't do anything to fight against it!"

Actually I'd be ok with physically opposing punishments for minor/non crimes

Well you have said your a fan of people being flogged for the sexuality so this should come as absolutely no surprise.

Humans are the only species on this planet that is capable of following a religion.

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No you really have not.

Yes we do. We have education, reason, science, and logic, and modernization.

Islam is not fucking modern

[Benjabobaria]

Government and religion don't mix. Neither shariah law nor conservative Christian lawmakers result in good policy most of the time.

[Nova Cyberia]

"It's okay to personally oppose injustice and horrific punishments for minor crimes/non-crimes as long as you don't do anything to fight against it!"

Actually I'd be ok with physically opposing punishments for minor/non crimes

https://islamqa.info/en/answers/20327/why-is-the-apostate-to-be-executed-in-islam

The evidence that the apostate is to be executed is the words of the Prophet (peace and blessings of Allaah be upon him): “Whoever changes his religion, execute him.” (Narrated by al-Bukhaari, 2794). What is meant by religion here is Islam (i.e., whoever changes from Islam to another religion). 

The Prophet (peace and blessings of Allaah be upon him) said: “It is not permissible to shed the blood of a Muslim who bears witness that there is no god except Allaah and that I am His Messenger, except in one of three cases: a soul for a soul (i.e., in the case of murder); a married man who commits adultery; and one who leaves his religion and splits form the jamaa’ah (main group of Muslims).” (Narrated by al-Bukhaari, 6878; Muslim, 1676) 

See al-Mawsoo’ah al-Fiqhiyyah, 22/180. 

So you disagree with your Prophet?

[Cekoviu]

Islam in the large majority of interpretations is inherently opposed to human rights, as are Christianity and Judaism. Human rights must remain secular.

Al-Islam isn't contradictory to human rights.

You spend a significant portion of your time on this forum arguing that rape is justified in certain circumstances, slavery is fine as long as "Islamic" is slapped in front of it, punishments for homosexuality are fine, and more. You have less than zero legs to stand on.

[The Huskar Social Union]

Islam in the large majority of interpretations is inherently opposed to human rights, as are Christianity and Judaism. Human rights must remain secular.

Al-Islam isn't contradictory to human rights.

When you try and deny people rights because of your god it most certainly is.


You yourself are a huge fan of denying people rights, its all across this forum for everyone to see, your fine with assaulting people for their sexuality, you justify rape, you justify slavery. You and other muslims with the same mind set as you are a contradiction and a threat to human rights.

[ECKU]

Well you have said your a fan of people being flogged for the sexuality.

This is false.

Islam is not f*cking modern

Something that is done in the modern day is modern. I'm pretty sure there's no set rules on what constitutes as modern or not.

[ECKU]

When you try and deny people rights because of your god it most certainly is.

No it isn't. Also Allah SWT isn't "my god"

You yourself are a huge fan of denying people rights, its all across this forum for everyone to see, your fine with assaulting people for their sexuality

False

you justify rape

False

you justify slavery.

Vague

You and other muslims with the same mind set as you are a contradiction and a threat to human rights.

Depends on which human rights you're talking about. Which actually wouldn't matter either way, because talking on a forum does not make me a threat.

[Al Mumtahanah]

So are most Catholic countries, so are atheist countries. Does Dubai look third world to you?

Maybe, but Syria, Iraq, Jordan, Lebanon, Afghanistan, Egypt, Sudan, and Libya all certainly do.

The Western countries (ie the most powerful and modern in the world) are primarily Christian.

Are you saying that's why they're so wealthy and not because of colonialism?

"In 1820, before the first Opium War, China's economy was the largest in the world, according to British economist Angus Maddison.[3] In another investigative report published by Michael Cemblast of JP Morgan and updated by the World Economic Forum, similar conclusions were reached—i.e., China's economy was the largest in the world for many centuries until the Opium Wars.[3][4] Furthermore, China was a net exporter, and had large trade surpluses with most Western countries. Within a decade after the end of the Second Opium War, China's share of global GDP had fallen by half.[4]"

[The Emerald Legion]

When you try and deny people rights because of your god it most certainly is.

No it isn't. Also Allah SWT isn't "my god"

You yourself are a huge fan of denying people rights, its all across this forum for everyone to see, your fine with assaulting people for their sexuality

False

you justify rape

False

you justify slavery.

Vague

You and other muslims with the same mind set as you are a contradiction and a threat to human rights.

Depends on which human rights you're talking about. Which actually wouldn't matter either way, because talking on a forum does not make me a threat.

Are you saying you have another god before him?

[The Huskar Social Union]

Well you have said your a fan of people being flogged for the sexuality.

This is false.

Islam is not f*cking modern

Something that is done in the modern day is modern. I'm pretty sure there's no set rules on what constitutes as modern or not.

True:

Wow one storie about an infection of a pédophile is enough to confirm your argument.

Meanwhile, dozens of terrorist attacks in Europe in only 2 years isn't enough to warrant hâte for an ideoogy That preaches death to apostates.

What are you talking about?

And to add on to what Astoria said, there's some debate over whether homosexual sex is punishable by stoning. To me, it should be 100 lashes, not stoning.

[ECKU]

No it isn't. Also Allah SWT isn't "my god"

False

False

Vague

Depends on which human rights you're talking about. Which actually wouldn't matter either way, because talking on a forum does not make me a threat.

Are you saying you have another god before him?

I'm saying that Allah SWT doesn't belong to me, I don't have possession of Him. That's not how it works in Al-Islam. On the contrary, I belong to Him.

[The Huskar Social Union]

When you try and deny people rights because of your god it most certainly is.

No it isn't. Also Allah SWT isn't "my god"

You yourself are a huge fan of denying people rights, its all across this forum for everyone to see, your fine with assaulting people for their sexuality

False

you justify rape

False

you justify slavery.

Vague

You and other muslims with the same mind set as you are a contradiction and a threat to human rights.

Depends on which human rights you're talking about. Which actually wouldn't matter either way, because talking on a forum does not make me a threat.

You justify anything as long as it has allah or islam slapped on the box, everyone on here fucking knows it so you are not fooling anyone. You constantly go on about islamic slavery being fine cuz it has a special word on the front.

Drop the bullshit for once.

[ECKU]

This is false.

Something that is done in the modern day is modern. I'm pretty sure there's no set rules on what constitutes as modern or not.

True:

What are you talking about?

And to add on to what Astoria said, there's some debate over whether homosexual sex is punishable by stoning. To me, it should be 100 lashes, not stoning.

Yes, I did say that. Now where the part about me saying they should be lashed for their sexuality?

[The Emerald Legion]

Are you saying you have another god before him?

I'm saying that Allah SWT doesn't belong to me, I don't have possession of Him. That's not how it works in Al-Islam. On the contrary, I belong to Him.

Then he belongs to you. That's the way it works. Relationships are two way streets.

[ECKU]

No it isn't. Also Allah SWT isn't "my god"

False

False

Vague

Depends on which human rights you're talking about. Which actually wouldn't matter either way, because talking on a forum does not make me a threat.

You justify anything as long as it has allah or islam slapped on the box, everyone on here fucking knows it so you are not fooling anyone. You constantly go on about islamic slavery being fine cuz it has a special word on the front.

Drop the bulls*it for once.

There is none.

[Plzen]

I'm saying that Allah SWT doesn't belong to me, I don't have possession of Him. That's not how it works in Al-Islam. On the contrary, I belong to Him.

In the English language the possessive case does not always imply literal possession. It simply states that one is associated with the other. Note, for example: "my country."

[The Huskar Social Union]

True:

Yes, I did say that. Now where the part about me saying they should be lashed for their sexuality?

"To me, it should be 100 slashes, not stoning"

Literally you saying someone should be flogged 100 times for having gay sex.

[ECKU]

I'm saying that Allah SWT doesn't belong to me, I don't have possession of Him. That's not how it works in Al-Islam. On the contrary, I belong to Him.

Then he belongs to you. That's the way it works. Relationships are two way streets.

Again that's not how that works in Al-Islam. A master does not belong to a slave, a slave belongs to a master.