Shaykh Yusuf and Post-Secular Human Rights

[Al Mumtahanah]

If a Muslim said the kufr world needs to be dragged kicking and screaming into Islam, you would see this is arrogant bloodlust.

The problem with that theory is that the modern world have already gone through the religious phases, and grown past them. The fact that Islam is slow to adapt is its own problem.

You have not actually gone through an Islamic phase except in Spain.

[Dooom35796821595]

The problem with that theory is that the modern world have already gone through the religious phases, and grown past them. The fact that Islam is slow to adapt is its own problem.

No one has a problem with Allah's SWT religion except those who hate it. They're the 9nes with a problem.

There’s nothing wrong with a personal religion, the right to it is in the UDHR. Religious courts, laws and government however are flawed, mistaken and outdated.

The problem with that theory is that the modern world have already gone through the religious phases, and grown past them. The fact that Islam is slow to adapt is its own problem.

You have not actually gone through an Islamic phase except in Spain.

Islam, Catholicism, Judaism they all have a common history, and all reflect similar issues. Trying the same thing under a different name won’t make it more successful.

[Al Mumtahanah]

No one has a problem with Allah's SWT religion except those who hate it. They're the 9nes with a problem.

There’s nothing wrong with a personal religion, the right to it is in the UDHR. Religious courts, laws and government however are flawed, mistaken and outdated.

You have not actually gone through an Islamic phase except in Spain.

Islam, Catholicism, Judaism they all have a common history, and all reflect similar issues. Trying the same thing under a different name won’t make it more successful.

Islam is not interchangeable with Christianity and never has been.

[Kowani]

The problem with that theory is that the modern world have already gone through the religious phases, and grown past them. The fact that Islam is slow to adapt is its own problem.

You have not actually gone through an Islamic phase except in Spain.

And we’re quite happy that it ended.

[Al Mumtahanah]

You have not actually gone through an Islamic phase except in Spain.

And we’re quite happy that it ended.

It was the reason the Spanish Inquisition started, to purge Spanish Muslims.

[Nova Cyberia]

And we’re quite happy that it ended.

It was the reason the Spanish Inquisition started, to purge Spanish Muslims.

Shame.

Perhaps you lot shouldn't have conquered Iberia. Perhaps then the Reconquista wouldn't have been necessary.

[Al Mumtahanah]

It was the reason the Spanish Inquisition started, to purge Spanish Muslims.

Shame.

Perhaps you lot shouldn't have conquered Iberia. Perhaps then the Reconquista wouldn't have been necessary.

Helped enrich your culture. Courtly love came from The Ring of the Dove, by Ibn Hazm.

[Dooom35796821595]

There’s nothing wrong with a personal religion, the right to it is in the UDHR. Religious courts, laws and government however are flawed, mistaken and outdated.



Islam, Catholicism, Judaism they all have a common history, and all reflect similar issues. Trying the same thing under a different name won’t make it more successful.

Islam is not interchangeable with Christianity and never has been.

It is in many ways, due to its similarity and shared historic roots.

And we’re quite happy that it ended.

It was the reason the Spanish Inquisition started, to purge Spanish Muslims.

No, the Spanish Inquisition was initially to suppress the Spanish Jews and their growing wealth and influence, it was then expanded to various heretics and enemies of the crown/church.

[Nova Cyberia]

Shame.

Perhaps you lot shouldn't have conquered Iberia. Perhaps then the Reconquista wouldn't have been necessary.

Helped enrich your culture. Courtly love came from The Ring of the Dove, by Ibn Hazm.

Indeed. And the Christians enriched it further when they reconquered it and kicked the Spanish Muslims out. :^)

[The Huskar Social Union]

This ^^

If a Muslim said the kufr world needs to be dragged kicking and screaming into Islam, you would see this is arrogant bloodlust.

Islam needs to be dragged kicking and screaming into the 21st century actually.

And if it cant do that, well then it can die off as far as i am concerned.

[Al Mumtahanah]

Islam is not interchangeable with Christianity and never has been.

It is in many ways, due to its similarity and shared historic roots.

It was the reason the Spanish Inquisition started, to purge Spanish Muslims.

No, the Spanish Inquisition was initially to suppress the Spanish Jews and their growing wealth and influence, it was then expanded to various heretics and enemies of the crown/church.

"No matter if any of the previous hypotheses were already operating in the minds of the monarchs, the alleged discovery of Morisco plots to support a possible Ottoman invasion were crucial factors in their decision to create the Inquisition."

"At this time, the Ottoman Empire was in expansion and making its power noticeable in the Mediterranean and North Africa. At the same time, the Aragonese Mediterranean Empire was crumbling under debt and war exhaustion. Ferdinand reasonably feared that he would not be capable of repelling an Ottoman attack to Spain's shores, especially if the Ottomans had internal help. The regions with the highest concentration of Moriscos were those close to the common naval crossings between Spain and Africa. If the weakness of the Aragonese Naval Empire was combined with the resentment of the higher nobility against the monarchs, the dynastic claims of Portugal on Castile and the two monarch's exterior politic that turned away from Morocco and other African nations in favor of Europe, the fear of a second Muslim invasion - and thus a second Muslim occupation was hardly unfounded. This fear may have been the base reason for the expulsion of those citizens who had either a religious reason to support the invasion of the Ottomans (Moriscos) or no particular religious reason to not do it (Jews). The Inquisition might have been part of the preparations to enforce these measures and ensure their effectiveness by rooting out false converts that would still pose a threat of foreign espionage.[29][30]"

[Al Mumtahanah]

If a Muslim said the kufr world needs to be dragged kicking and screaming into Islam, you would see this is arrogant bloodlust.

Islam needs to be dragged kicking and screaming into the 21st century actually.

And if it cant do that, well then it can die off as far as i am concerned.

If you fight a holy war against Muslims, don't be aghast if it's reciprocated.

[Nova Cyberia]

Islam needs to be dragged kicking and screaming into the 21st century actually.

And if it cant do that, well then it can die off as far as i am concerned.

If you fight a holy war against Muslims, don't be aghast if it's reciprocated.

He's not talking about a holy war. He's talking about modernizing your religion.

[The Huskar Social Union]

Islam needs to be dragged kicking and screaming into the 21st century actually.

And if it cant do that, well then it can die off as far as i am concerned.

If you fight a holy war against Muslims, don't be aghast if it's reciprocated.

Im thinking more along the lines of education, reason, science and logic, not murdering people with guns, swords and bombs

Its called modernisation

[Al Mumtahanah]

If you fight a holy war against Muslims, don't be aghast if it's reciprocated.

He's not talking about a holy war. He's talking about modernizing your religion.

Dragging someone kicking and screaming sounds like force.

[ECKU]

No one has a problem with Allah's SWT religion except those who hate it. They're the 9nes with a problem.

There’s nothing wrong with a personal religion, the right to it is in the UDHR. Religious courts, laws and government however are flawed, mistaken and outdated.

Nice opinion.

Islam needs to be dragged kicking and screaming into the 21st century actually.

And if it cant do that, well then it can die off as far as i am concerned.

If you fight a holy war against Muslims, don't be aghast if it's reciprocated.

I think he means a natural death. Besides, Al-Islam doesn't need to be dragged kicking and screaming into the 21st century. 1.6 billion people and counting practice it, and that's just the humans.

[Nova Cyberia]

He's not talking about a holy war. He's talking about modernizing your religion.

Dragging someone kicking and screaming sounds like force.

It's a religion, fam. It won't kick or scream, I assure you.

[ECKU]

If you fight a holy war against Muslims, don't be aghast if it's reciprocated.

Im thinking more along the lines of education, reason, science and logic, not murdering people with guns, swords and bombs

Its called modernisation

We already have that

[The Huskar Social Union]

There’s nothing wrong with a personal religion, the right to it is in the UDHR. Religious courts, laws and government however are flawed, mistaken and outdated.

Nice opinion.

If you fight a holy war against Muslims, don't be aghast if it's reciprocated.

I think he means a natural death. Besides, Al-Islam doesn't need to be dragged kicking and screaming into the 21st century. 1.6 billion people and counting practice it, and that's just the humans.

Humans are the only species on this planet that is capable of following a religion.

And yes i meant a natural death.

[Nova Cyberia]

There’s nothing wrong with a personal religion, the right to it is in the UDHR. Religious courts, laws and government however are flawed, mistaken and outdated.

Nice opinion.

If you fight a holy war against Muslims, don't be aghast if it's reciprocated.

I think he means a natural death. Besides, Al-Islam doesn't need to be dragged kicking and screaming into the 21st century. 1.6 billion people and counting practice it, and that's just the humans.

>just the humans

[The Huskar Social Union]

Im thinking more along the lines of education, reason, science and logic, not murdering people with guns, swords and bombs

Its called modernisation

We already have that

No you really have not.

[ECKU]

Nice opinion.

I think he means a natural death. Besides, Al-Islam doesn't need to be dragged kicking and screaming into the 21st century. 1.6 billion people and counting practice it, and that's just the humans.

Humans are the only species on this planet that is capable of following a religion.

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We already have that

No you really have not.

Yes we do. We have education, reason, science, and logic, and modernization.

[Nova Cyberia]

Humans are the only species on this planet that is capable of following a religion.

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No you really have not.

Yes we do. We have education, reason, science, and logic, and modernization.

Is that why most Muslim countries are third world?

[Plzen]

Just a quick question to the supporters of the institution of Islamic law,

Do you personally believe that Muslims should be permitted to convert away from Islam at any time for any reason without fear of reprisal or punishment from other people?

[Al Mumtahanah]

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Yes we do. We have education, reason, science, and logic, and modernization.

Is that why most Muslim countries are third world?

So are most Catholic countries, so are atheist countries. Does Dubai look third world to you?