The importance of faith

[Nanatsu no Tsuki]

Personal choice. If a family wishes to do that with their own, fine. As a society however? No. We’re not obligated to/nor should we encourage faith. Of any kind.

[Vaukiai]

Dude, get educated.

You're hugely uneducated on this matter if you believe that.

There was a time like that but it does not inherently represent religion as a permanent institution.

Churchgoers are constantly maligning science. It may not be institutionalized in the manner that it used to be, but it's certainly not coming out of nowhere.

Show a little respect please!

[Geneviev]

Why?

Because it just makes you think things will work out, instead of looking for a way to work it out. I'd say that my agnosticism is one of the things pushing me to improve myself.

Depending on the religion, faith in God should have the same effect.

Because you're placing faith in something that doesn't exist.

Like Hickenlooper 2020?

Who?

[Kernen]

Faith in religion isn't a useful value. People would be better off relying on themselves than a god of some kind.

That would still be faith.

No, that would be confidence. Confidence implies a rational basis for the self-reliance. Faith implies no such basis. After all, people don't say "have confidence in god".

[Mzeusia]

Personal choice. If a family wishes to do that with their own, fine. As a society however? No. We’re not obligated to/nor should we encourage faith. Of any kind.

Strongly disagree, I believe we should encourage all faiths, using freedom of religion to prevent discrimination.
Atheism counts as a religion mind you.

Atheism isn't a religion. We don't worship a deity.

[Cekoviu]

Because you're placing faith in something that doesn't exist.

Like Hickenlooper 2020?

Is it not obvious to you that that's tongue-in-cheek? I don't think I've ever seen someone fully seriously endorse the Hickster.
C'mon, man, find better things to throw shade about.

[Nanatsu no Tsuki]

Personal choice. If a family wishes to do that with their own, fine. As a society however? No. We’re not obligated to/nor should we encourage faith. Of any kind.

Strongly disagree, I believe we should encourage all faiths, using freedom of religion to prevent discrimination.
Atheism counts as a religion mind you.

Like I said, personal choice. You can respect certain people believe a certain way but it is not society’s job to encourage belief in deities or faiths.

[Pacomia]

Churchgoers are constantly maligning science. It may not be institutionalized in the manner that it used to be, but it's certainly not coming out of nowhere.

Show a little respect please!

No. It’s true.

[Vaukiai]

Because it just makes you think things will work out, instead of looking for a way to work it out. I'd say that my agnosticism is one of the things pushing me to improve myself.

Depending on the religion, faith in God should have the same effect.

Like Hickenlooper 2020?

Who?

But what faith???

Christian, muslim, pagan, ... zambabogga, what one?

[Kernen]

Strongly disagree, I believe we should encourage all faiths, using freedom of religion to prevent discrimination.
Atheism counts as a religion mind you.

Atheism isn't a religion. We don't worship a deity.

Exactly. It's just the Null Hypothesis.

[Petrolheadia]

What faith you mean???

Christian, muslim, pagan, ... ?

Faith in anything.

Does it include believing that Eric Clapton will show up at my front door with $10 million cash?

If there's one guy truly connected with blind faith, then it's surely the one who even named one of his bands that, right?

[-Ocelot-]

Most modern societies value logic and evidence more than faith. Faith is considered less valuable or a sign of being less educated or less intelligent. However, faith is one of the most underestimated virtues. Faith is not blindly accepting things written in the Bible, but trust that God will help you through difficult situations. It can help people through life because they can believe that something good will come to them and because it enables them to solve problems instead of focusing on the negative.

Considering the benefits of faith, should it be encouraged more in society?

I think faith is one of the most important things for people because it allows them to be more optimistic and have more hope. For those reasons, it should be valued by society and people should be encouraged to have faith.

Shouldn't be encouraged but it's not bad either.

You seem to acknowledge only Christianity when you talk about faith. Faith doesn't have to be tied to a religion or to a god. A man can have faith in his own powers or in humanity itself.

Also, being optimist isn't always good. Sometimes you shouldn't be optimist to face the facts head on. Planning based on the worst outcome and not having faith on anything can sometimes work for your benefit.

[Petrolheadia]

Churchgoers are constantly maligning science. It may not be institutionalized in the manner that it used to be, but it's certainly not coming out of nowhere.

Show a little respect please!

I prefer disrespectful truth to respectful lies.

[Geneviev]

That would still be faith.

No, that would be confidence. Confidence implies a rational basis for the self-reliance. Faith implies no such basis. After all, people don't say "have confidence in god".

People do say "have faith in yourself."

Depending on the religion, faith in God should have the same effect.


Who?

But what faith???

Christian, muslim, pagan, ... zambabogga, what one?

All faith.

[Cekoviu]

Show a little respect please!

I prefer disrespectful truth to respectful lies.

It wasn't even particularly disrespectful, tbh. It's merely a statement of what I've consistently observed.

[Cekoviu]

Atheism isn't a religion. We don't worship a deity.

Ah but worship of a deity is not exactly what makes a religion.

See: Confucianism*

(Barring some variants)

You also worship logic, in the very sense you only place your faith in science, and logic, in a sense.

Worship is not exactly what you think, the christian type.

In all tangible and legal terms you fit a religion. Go to the Christian Discussion Thread for more info since I'm not gonna debate it here so as to not threadjack.

Religion requires rituals, shared beliefs. There is no shared belief in atheism; only a lack of one.

[Hurdergaryp]

To quote Bernard Russel: “The fact that a believer is happier than a skeptic is to the same point that a drunken man is happier than a sober one.”

And a fine philosopher he was. More people should read his work.

[Cekoviu]

Like I said, personal choice. You can respect certain people believe a certain way but it is not society’s job to encourage belief in deities or faiths.

We should protect all faiths, in my view.

Wahhabism thanks you for your service. o7

[Geneviev]

Most modern societies value logic and evidence more than faith. Faith is considered less valuable or a sign of being less educated or less intelligent. However, faith is one of the most underestimated virtues. Faith is not blindly accepting things written in the Bible, but trust that God will help you through difficult situations. It can help people through life because they can believe that something good will come to them and because it enables them to solve problems instead of focusing on the negative.

Considering the benefits of faith, should it be encouraged more in society?

I think faith is one of the most important things for people because it allows them to be more optimistic and have more hope. For those reasons, it should be valued by society and people should be encouraged to have faith.

Shouldn't be encouraged but it's not bad either.

You seem to acknowledge only Christianity when you talk about faith. Faith doesn't have to be tied to a religion or to a god. A man can have faith in his own powers or in humanity itself.

Also, being optimist isn't always good. Sometimes you shouldn't be optimist to face the facts head on. Planning based on the worst outcome and not having faith on anything can sometimes work for your benefit.

I don't only mean Christianity when I talk about faith.

Optimism helps people focus on the positive and how they can improve the world.

[Cekoviu]

Religion requires rituals, shared beliefs. There is no shared belief in atheism; only a lack of one.

Objectively false, but again, go to the CDT.

How in God's name is that objectively false? And this isn't a discussion about Christianity, so I don't know why you're peddling that thread.

[Kernen]

No, that would be confidence. Confidence implies a rational basis for the self-reliance. Faith implies no such basis. After all, people don't say "have confidence in god".

People do say "have faith in yourself."

Since confidence and faith aren't the same thing, telling one to have faith implies a lack of anything to be confident in. May as well tell them to role them bones.

You also worship logic, in the very sense you only place your faith in science, and logic, in a sense.

Logic is self-proving. Thats like saying math is faith.

[Nanatsu no Tsuki]

Like I said, personal choice. You can respect certain people believe a certain way but it is not society’s job to encourage belief in deities or faiths.

We should protect all faiths, in my view.

Did I say not to protect religions, in any way, shape or form or are you just obtusely reading something in my posts that isn’t there? Not encouraging faiths as a society is not the same as retiring protections under law. Come on. Personal choice when it comes to religion or lack there of is already protected. But no, it is not the job of a society to encourage belief in gods. That’s an individual thing.

[Vaukiai]

Show a little respect please!

I prefer disrespectful truth to respectful lies.

Let's be less contradictory, man.
Why you say atheists deserve respect, and then you go treat us in the exact way you do not like to be treated, then?

[Geneviev]

People do say "have faith in yourself."

Since confidence and faith aren't the same thing, telling one to have faith implies a lack of anything to be confident in. May as well tell them to role them bones.

Faith is not based in evidence, but people still need it.

[Mzeusia]

Wahhabism thanks you for your service. o7

We should not encourage violence.

Don't be a sarcastic rude person, and you just attacked all religious people by arguing we shouldn't respect and protect all religions.

There's a difference between protection, and condoning violence. Freedom of religion, is something you believe in if you aren't a piece of shit.

Nobody attacked all religious people. Attacking one is not the same as attacking all.