The importance of faith

[Kernen]

Good thing he figured it out and fixed his worldview, huh?

No he made it worse, I have no respect for him because he used that as the excuse.

If he believed it was all horsecrap instead of using a suicide story-something I've lived through myself so I feel personally offended because that is horseshit as that's not a fucking jusitification-I'd be more understanding. And you're hostility is more offensive in that regard, towards me being religious.

He doesn't really need your approval, now does he? Its a justification for him, and that's clearly all that matters. Well, to him. If we don't believe in your god, do you think we care if your religion accepts our justifications?

I'm just an offensive person. I believe the world would be better if we liquidated church property. But I dream, knowing I will never live to see such a day.

[Jolthig]

Faith is rooted in complete fear of Allah and submission to him. It's when one bends their life to the will of Allah is when they are truly obedient to him. Faith can exist alongside logic and reason as I hold all three of these as my priorities when arguing.

where was your God when I and countless others suffered most

I cannot say as I am not Allah.

[Pacomia]

It's got a whole lot of factually incorrect statements in it for something that's supposedly the truth.

Another spiritual jail.

Basically you're a lusty wealthy person that thinks science says everything. That in the material side. But material ends.

In the spiritual side you're a malnourished prisoner. The spiritual never ends.

Wrong. The spiritual side is wrong, so your point is invalid.

[Crysuko]

I could only assume he didn't operate at all. I went to church, read scripture, attended meetings and all that. I was questioning it by the time I was 13, and was a confident athiest by 16. by 23: "the only church that enlightens is a burning one" -Buenaventura Durruti

If you read scripture and was hoping he'd do what you said he'd do, when the religion's core teachings says it doesn't do that, and you used that as justification to leave the religion...then you...what?

That makes no sense.

oh sorry, the amount of contradictions in the bible and scripture must have bamboozled me

[Petrolheadia]

It's got a whole lot of factually incorrect statements in it for something that's supposedly the truth.

Another spiritual jail.

Basically you're a lusty wealthy person that thinks science says everything. That in the material side. But material ends.

In the spiritual side you're a malnourished prisoner. The spiritual never ends.

Living alone in a paradise that makes me think of tomb

[Kernen]

It's got a whole lot of factually incorrect statements in it for something that's supposedly the truth.

Another spiritual jail.

Basically you're a lusty wealthy person that thinks science says everything. That in the material side. But material ends.

In the spiritual side you're a malnourished prisoner. The spiritual never ends.

May as well max it out while you're here, then.

[Hammer Britannia]

If you read scripture and was hoping he'd do what you said he'd do, when the religion's core teachings says it doesn't do that, and you used that as justification to leave the religion...then you...what?

That makes no sense.

oh sorry, the amount of contradictions in the bible and scripture must have bamboozled me

Nah, clearly not believing in Genisis is a side-effect of the devil influencing you.

[Pacomia]

If you read scripture and was hoping he'd do what you said he'd do, when the religion's core teachings says it doesn't do that, and you used that as justification to leave the religion...then you...what?

That makes no sense.

oh sorry, the amount of contradictions in the bible and scripture must have bamboozled me

As well as the struggle of finding meaning in the endless sea of random words and “begat”s and stories that are untrue.

[Nanatsu no Tsuki]

And he rejected this for a reason or reasons. Your approach is just simplistic.

Not the argument he was making when he made the post. If he would clarify then sure, that's fine, I'm criticizing that specifically however.

He has. Throughout the lasts posts. You would have seen that had you cared to actually read his arguments instead of assuming he rejected religion because “well, he really didn’t believe in it”. You know, that simplistic you keep bringing to a complex topic.

[Wunderstrafanstalt]

You yourself aren’t even certain of the existence of that God. You said it yourself: “if god exists”. Are you trying to convince us faith is important or are you trying to convince yourself?

Let's say both. Optimism is important.

Fly in the thin cloud of groundless optimism based on an ancient cult, and see yourself falling into the abyss of depression sooner or later.

There ought to be a better source of optimism than that.

[Beggnig]

Not my point. You are saying that God doesn't need to exist because everything that helped you out was created by humans. I am saying that just because humans' things helped you out does not necessarily mean that God isn't needed. Furthermore, it is meaningless to make statements about the need for God. If he exists, he exists whether we need him or not.

if he exists then you'll surely have no trouble producing scientific and material evidence

I can do you one better.
You cannot have knowledge without Him.
You cannot determine what is evidence without Him.
In Him you live and breathe and have your being.
If you believe you can have these things without Him, I would ask one question.
Where do you get truth without God?

[The New California Republic]

If you read scripture and was hoping he'd do what you said he'd do, when the religion's core teachings says it doesn't do that, and you used that as justification to leave the religion...then you...what?

I was a Christian too, but I ditched the faith partially as a result of when it became increasingly apparent that the Bible was just talking complete nonsense.

[Pacomia]

oh sorry, the amount of contradictions in the bible and scripture must have bamboozled me

Nah, clearly not believing in Genisis is a side-effect of the devil influencing you.

Jesus Christ. If being an atheist is being a puppet of Satan, then sign me up.

[Cekoviu]

I’m getting a headache reading that. A truly strong one. Jesus H. Craig.

It's what we are literally taught.

If that's not genetic humanity, what is?

Anything else is an arbitrary standard.

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[Vaukiai]

Another spiritual jail.

Basically you're a lusty wealthy person that thinks science says everything. That in the material side. But material ends.

In the spiritual side you're a malnourished prisoner. The spiritual never ends.

And my spirit is crying for leaving,

You need a lot to learn. What age are you?

You deny everything until you see.

Have you read my previous post?

[Antityranicals]

If you read scripture and was hoping he'd do what you said he'd do, when the religion's core teachings says it doesn't do that, and you used that as justification to leave the religion...then you...what?

That makes no sense.

oh sorry, the amount of contradictions in the bible and scripture must have bamboozled me

Huge quantities of scriptures are not meant to be taken literally. This is a huge part of why I am a Catholic. Since Jesus isn't on earth, he passes off his authority to the Church. The Bible says as much. Catholic church teachings are far better ordered and far more rational than just scripture. You ought to look in to them.

[Petrolheadia]

if he exists then you'll surely have no trouble producing scientific and material evidence

I can do you one better.
You cannot have knowledge without Him.
You cannot determine what is evidence without Him.
In Him you live and breathe and have your being.
If you believe you can have these things without Him, I would ask one question.
Where do you get truth without God?

The answer, my friend, is blowin' in the wind.

[Andsed]

Yes because major life changing events are not justification to change the way you look at the world?

Not when he uses that specifically as the basis for changing your worldview, that god did not answer him with a voice.

That flies into the very face of what he believed to begin with!
As a Christian who has been suicidal, that pisses me off to no end as using that as justification, it's extremely offensive.

Or maybe his interpretation of the bible and god differed from yours? A crazy notion I know. Oh and you being offended that he had a different worldview from you after coming out from a similar situation is bullshit.

[Germanyt]

Faith is the opposite of reason. Reason is what pushes the west forward and faith is what takes us back.

[Petrolheadia]

And my spirit is crying for leaving,

You need a lot to learn. What age are you?

Twenty-four and there's so much more.

[Kernen]

He doesn't really need your approval, now does he? Its a justification for him, and that's clearly all that matters. Well, to him. If we don't believe in your god, do you think we care if your religion accepts our justifications?

Then he changed his faith not due to genuineness but because he could, because he didn't want to believe it. Not any rational argument.

He changed his belief on a literal contradictio-ah, my brain hurts.

From what I have been told elsewhere, reason isn't relevant for faith.

[Vaukiai]

oh sorry, the amount of contradictions in the bible and scripture must have bamboozled me

Huge quantities of scriptures are not meant to be taken literally. This is a huge part of why I am a Catholic. Since Jesus isn't on earth, he passes off his authority to the Church. The Bible says as much. Catholic church teachings are far better ordered and far more rational than just scripture. You ought to look in to them.

Take it literally, please. At least the New Testament.

[Pacomia]

What if we all just accepted “The Hitchhiker’s Guide to the Galaxy” as truth and made a religion based around it? How about that?

[Petrolheadia]

oh sorry, the amount of contradictions in the bible and scripture must have bamboozled me

Nah, clearly not believing in Genisis is a side-effect of the devil influencing you.

Never have any doubt in Phil Collins' drumming.

[Cekoviu]

https://cnx.org/contents/s8Hh0oOc@15.8: ... production

I saw nothing that changes my argument, but rather reinforces it.

I suppose that doesn't illustrate your lack of understanding of how fertilization works as blatantly and specifically as one would prefer. I'll see if another textbook has a better explanation.