The importance of faith

[Crysuko]

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So you abandoned the way he operated and the very basis of your religion.

you never believed in him. That's one of the basic lessons that is core to the religion and you rejected it as the justification to reject the entire religion.

so no, you never truly were religious, you pretended to follow it.

I could only assume he didn't operate at all. I went to church, read scripture, attended meetings and all that. I was questioning it by the time I was 13, and was a confident athiest by 16. by 23: "the only church that enlightens is a burning one" -Buenaventura Durruti

[Vaukiai]

Indeed. Being optimistic is not wrong, but when you overdo it, it’s not beneficial. You need to keep track and do the best you can before you can even have faith that God is going to do your work.

Your god isn't going to do your work.

Optimism is self-delusion. Find evidence and apply it.

You're inside a spiritual jail.

[Wunderstrafanstalt]

even at my most desperate, even when there is so much suffering in the world and in my life at the time, the voice of a god was the only one I didn't hear. it was man's psychology that helped my mind, man's medicine that helped my body, and man's reason that showed me the truth. It's entirely obvious to me that a God isn't needed, we shall have to work out our problems ourselves. no hiding behind shadows and mysticism, we take responsibility and do what's right for the betterment of all, not because some dusty old commandment told us to.

...you realize he stated he would not physically answer you, not talk right?

He wasn't going to talk to you.

That's not how he works.

He only talks that way to prophets.

you're not a prophet.

Or maybe he doesn't exist

[Hammer Britannia]

It's what we are literally taught.

If that's not genetic humanity, what is?

Anything else is an arbitrary standard.

Genetics begs to differ with you, but we’ve abandoned facts it seems and it’s not the topic of the thread.

Not really, this thread is a prime example of what (extreme) faith does to a man.

[Kernen]

Who are you? Who? Who? Who? Who?

Sure.

My name is Justinas, I'm 33, I am from Lithuania I live in a town called Tauragė, I am a devout Roman Catholic. I am interested in Middle Ages, and I like playing NationStates.

Now it's your turn.

How do you keep missing the pop culture references?

[Jolthig]

Faith is rooted in complete fear of Allah and submission to him. It's when one bends their life to the will of Allah is when they are truly obedient to him. Faith can exist alongside logic and reason as I hold all three of these as my priorities when arguing.

[Bluelight-R006]

Indeed. Being optimistic is not wrong, but when you overdo it, it’s not beneficial. You need to keep track and do the best you can before you can even have faith that God is going to do your work.

Your god isn't going to do your work.

Optimism is self-delusion. Find evidence and apply it.

I never said he was, didn’t I? I just said it would be insensible to do nothing you can before you should even have faith.

[Supreme Pwnage]

That does not say anything about God being needed. If God created people, then he is indirectly responsible for man's psychology and medicine. Furthermore, there is no such thing as "man's reason". Reason simply is, it can not be attributed to a fallible thing such as man.

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Not my point. You are saying that God doesn't need to exist because everything that helped you out was created by humans. I am saying that just because humans' things helped you out does not necessarily mean that God isn't needed. Furthermore, it is meaningless to make statements about the need for God. If he exists, he exists whether we need him or not.

[Beggnig]

It is the truth!!!

It's got a whole lot of factually incorrect statements in it for something that's supposedly the truth.

How do you know the statements are factually incorrect?
Where do you get truth without God?

[Hammer Britannia]

Sure.

My name is Justinas, I'm 33, I am from Lithuania I live in a town called Tauragė, I am a devout Roman Catholic. I am interested in Middle Ages, and I like playing NationStates.

Now it's your turn.

How do you keep missing the pop culture references?

They are literally from the middle ages

[Nanatsu no Tsuki]

And you know this is true how?

Some old outdated book said so of course!

I’m curious, you see. Because some people who’ve believed greatly in god have changed and usually it involves a series of circumstances. Not really that they never believed.

[Kernen]

Faith is rooted in complete fear of Allah and submission to him. It's when one bends their life to the will of Allah is when they are truly obedient to him. Faith can exist alongside logic and reason as I hold all three of these as my priorities when arguing.

Guess some of us are just incapable of fear and submission to your god.

[Antityranicals]

What is false? If you are to argue with me, don't just impulsively respond "Fake!"

I bolded it. Not the right thread to really elaborate much, but take a look at the laws related to murder in the US (which is the country we were speaking of).

Fine. What is your definition of murder? I'd like to note, though, that the nation whose laws are in question is irrelevant to the definition of murder, which is an objective construct. Murder is the same in the US as it is in North Korea, though the laws are way different.

[Crysuko]

if

Not my point. You are saying that God doesn't need to exist because everything that helped you out was created by humans. I am saying that just because humans' things helped you out does not necessarily mean that God isn't needed. Furthermore, it is meaningless to make statements about the need for God. If he exists, he exists whether we need him or not.

if he exists then you'll surely have no trouble producing scientific and material evidence

[Hurdergaryp]

Genetics begs to differ with you, but we’ve abandoned facts it seems and it’s not the topic of the thread.

Not really, this thread is a prime example of what (extreme) faith does to a man.

More like this thread is a textbook case of a regular NationStates General thread, sickly pulsating with derailments and misguided overenthusiasm.

[Nanatsu no Tsuki]

And you know this is true how?

The very basis of the religion we're talking about and why he stated he rejected it, he rejected that lesson which was a very foundation when he rejected it. Thus he rejected the very basis of the religion, if he was hoping for something that his religion teachers would not happen, he was asking something he knew would not happen and used it as justification to abandon it. which is completely ridiculous.

And he rejected this for a reason or reasons. Your approach is just simplistic.

[Crysuko]

Faith is rooted in complete fear of Allah and submission to him. It's when one bends their life to the will of Allah is when they are truly obedient to him. Faith can exist alongside logic and reason as I hold all three of these as my priorities when arguing.

where was your God when I and countless others suffered most

[Hammer Britannia]

Not really, this thread is a prime example of what (extreme) faith does to a man.

More like this thread is a textbook case of a regular NationStates General thread, sickly pulsating with derailments and misguided overenthusiasm.

Yeah, faith.

Faith in Nationstates, that is.

[Vaukiai]

It is the truth!!!

It's got a whole lot of factually incorrect statements in it for something that's supposedly the truth.

Another spiritual jail.

Basically you're a lusty wealthy person that thinks science says everything. That in the material side. But material ends.

In the spiritual side you're a malnourished prisoner. The spiritual never ends.

Believe or not, it is the truth!!!

[Hurdergaryp]

The very basis of the religion we're talking about and why he stated he rejected it, he rejected that lesson which was a very foundation when he rejected it. Thus he rejected the very basis of the religion, if he was hoping for something that his religion teachers would not happen, he was asking something he knew would not happen and used it as justification to abandon it. which is completely ridiculous.

And he rejected this for a reason or reasons. Your approach is just simplistic.

Simplism? In MY NationStates General? Say it isn't so!

[Andsed]

Good thing he figured it out and fixed his worldview, huh?

No he made it worse, I have no respect for him because he used that as the excuse.

If he believed it was all horsecrap instead of using a suicide story-something I've lived through myself so I feel personally offended because that is horseshit as that's not a fucking jusitification-I'd be more understanding. And you're hostility is more offensive in that regard, towards me being religious.

Yes because major life changing events are not justification to change the way you look at the world?

[Crysuko]

Good thing he figured it out and fixed his worldview, huh?

No he made it worse, I have no respect for him because he used that as the excuse.

If he believed it was all horsecrap instead of using a suicide story-something I've lived through myself so I feel personally offended because that is horseshit as that's not a fucking jusitification-I'd be more understanding. And you're hostility is more offensive in that regard, towards me being religious.

I left because my first reason was that man helped me get better and not God, who was supposedly there and working in his "mysterious ways" and did precisely nothing to help. it's more scientific now.

[Nanatsu no Tsuki]

And he rejected this for a reason or reasons. Your approach is just simplistic.

Simplism? In MY NationStates General? Say it isn't so!

Cue to Hurde falling on the muddy wet ground, tears streaming down his face while raising his fists to the rainy sky screaming.

[Hurdergaryp]

More like this thread is a textbook case of a regular NationStates General thread, sickly pulsating with derailments and misguided overenthusiasm.

Yeah, faith.

Faith in Nationstates, that is.

Friends don't let have friends have faith in NationStates. There are better things in life.

[Jolthig]

Faith is rooted in complete fear of Allah and submission to him. It's when one bends their life to the will of Allah is when they are truly obedient to him. Faith can exist alongside logic and reason as I hold all three of these as my priorities when arguing.

Guess some of us are just incapable of fear and submission to your god.

Correct.