I’d love to know how. Just no Jehovah’s Witness bullshit.
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by Pacomia » Mon Jul 15, 2019 2:17 pm
by Kannap » Mon Jul 15, 2019 2:18 pm
Luna Amore wrote:Please remember to attend the ritualistic burning of Kannap for heresy
by Geneviev » Mon Jul 15, 2019 2:18 pm
by Kernen » Mon Jul 15, 2019 2:18 pm
by Pacomia » Mon Jul 15, 2019 2:19 pm
by Mzeusia » Mon Jul 15, 2019 2:19 pm
Geneviev wrote:Cekoviu wrote:The reasons you give for why faith is a good thing are exactly why it's bad. If every person is optimistic and think things will work out in the end, then nobody will do anything to actually make that happen. If your dog just ate a chocolate cake, you don't have "faith" in it automatically being healed and think "it's probably fine, things will work out!" You take it to the vet.
Someone with faith won't do either of those. Faith believes that you will be rewarded if you work for it, and that God created medicine to help people (and dogs).
by Pacomia » Mon Jul 15, 2019 2:20 pm
Geneviev wrote:Dooom35796821595 wrote:
No, science and art were often maligned and persecuted for making people question scripture.
Those cases were the exception, not the rule. The church encouraged learning when most of Europe was in the Dark Ages. It created some of the greatest architecture, art, and music in history. It didn't persecute those.
by Senkaku » Mon Jul 15, 2019 2:20 pm
Geneviev wrote:Senkaku wrote:I think you'd find a Calvinist would disagree on that point.
Maybe your faith, but the Christian Scientists take a different view.
Just because your faith may be benign doesn't mean everyone's is. Faith can be good for people, but often it isn't.
And so we seem to have arrived at a key insight: faith isn't necessarily good or bad; it just depends on what someone has faith in and what they use that faith to justify doing.
I always think of the joke about the preacher who drowns in a flood after rejecting rescue attempts and then when he goes to the afterlife God's like "I sent you two boats and a helicopter, what more did you want lol"
The Bible would not disagree.
Faith would be good for people if they are careful to not blindly trust things they are told.
That's true. When used properly, though, faith is one of the most important things.
by Geneviev » Mon Jul 15, 2019 2:20 pm
Kernen wrote:Faith in religion isn't a useful value. People would be better off relying on themselves than a god of some kind.
Mzeusia wrote:Geneviev wrote:Someone with faith won't do either of those. Faith believes that you will be rewarded if you work for it, and that God created medicine to help people (and dogs).
He didn't bother creating medicine for quite a while, and even when he did, it wasn't very good for a long time.
by Pacomia » Mon Jul 15, 2019 2:21 pm
Geneviev wrote:Kernen wrote:Faith in religion isn't a useful value. People would be better off relying on themselves than a god of some kind.
That would still be faith.Mzeusia wrote:He didn't bother creating medicine for quite a while, and even when he did, it wasn't very good for a long time.
Yes, but it is much better now.
by Kannap » Mon Jul 15, 2019 2:22 pm
Luna Amore wrote:Please remember to attend the ritualistic burning of Kannap for heresy
by Vaukiai » Mon Jul 15, 2019 2:23 pm
Geneviev wrote:Most modern societies value logic and evidence more than faith. Faith is considered less valuable or a sign of being less educated or less intelligent. However, faith is one of the most underestimated virtues. Faith is not blindly accepting things written in the Bible, but trust that God will help you through difficult situations. It can help people through life because they can believe that something good will come to them and because it enables them to solve problems instead of focusing on the negative.
Considering the benefits of faith, should it be encouraged more in society?
I think faith is one of the most important things for people because it allows them to be more optimistic and have more hope. For those reasons, it should be valued by society and people should be encouraged to have faith.
by Mzeusia » Mon Jul 15, 2019 2:23 pm
Geneviev wrote:Yes, but it is much better now.
by Kvatchdom » Mon Jul 15, 2019 2:23 pm
by Pacomia » Mon Jul 15, 2019 2:23 pm
by Rojava Free State » Mon Jul 15, 2019 2:23 pm
Rojava Free State wrote:Listen yall. I'm only gonna say it once but I want you to remember it. This ain't a world fit for good men. It seems like you gotta be monstrous just to make it. Gotta have a little bit of darkness within you just to survive. You gotta stoop low everyday it seems like. Stoop all the way down to the devil in these times. And then one day you look in the mirror and you realize that you ain't you anymore. You're just another monster, and thanks to your actions, someone else will eventually become as warped and twisted as you. Never forget that the best of us are just the best of a bad lot. Being at the top of a pile of feces doesn't make you anything but shit like the rest. Never forget that.
by Kannap » Mon Jul 15, 2019 2:23 pm
Luna Amore wrote:Please remember to attend the ritualistic burning of Kannap for heresy
by Petrolheadia » Mon Jul 15, 2019 2:24 pm
by Geneviev » Mon Jul 15, 2019 2:25 pm
Mzeusia wrote:Geneviev wrote:Yes, but it is much better now.
Sure, but that's a lot of people he didn't care that much about.
Anyway, I don't think faith is important. In my mind, to go back to medicine, mankind created all that we have today and they didn't do it by having faith. Instead, they thought about things for a while, and made improvements.
Rojava Free State wrote:Faith in what? People need faith in something but faith in God is downright misplaced.
by Cekoviu » Mon Jul 15, 2019 2:27 pm
Eternal Lotharia wrote:Dooom35796821595 wrote:
No, science and art were often maligned and persecuted for making people question scripture.
Dude, get educated.
You're hugely uneducated on this matter if you believe that.
There was a time like that but it does not inherently represent religion as a permanent institution.
by Mzeusia » Mon Jul 15, 2019 2:27 pm
Geneviev wrote:You could say they needed to have faith that what they were doing wasn't completely wrong.
by Petrolheadia » Mon Jul 15, 2019 2:27 pm
by Geneviev » Mon Jul 15, 2019 2:28 pm
Vaukiai wrote:Geneviev wrote:Most modern societies value logic and evidence more than faith. Faith is considered less valuable or a sign of being less educated or less intelligent. However, faith is one of the most underestimated virtues. Faith is not blindly accepting things written in the Bible, but trust that God will help you through difficult situations. It can help people through life because they can believe that something good will come to them and because it enables them to solve problems instead of focusing on the negative.
Considering the benefits of faith, should it be encouraged more in society?
I think faith is one of the most important things for people because it allows them to be more optimistic and have more hope. For those reasons, it should be valued by society and people should be encouraged to have faith.
What faith you mean???
Christian, muslim, pagan, ... ?
by Petrolheadia » Mon Jul 15, 2019 2:28 pm
Eternal Lotharia wrote:Dooom35796821595 wrote:
No, science and art were often maligned and persecuted for making people question scripture.
Dude, get educated.
You're hugely uneducated on this matter if you believe that.
There was a time like that but it does not inherently represent religion as a permanent institution.
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