Trump stirs up the nativist pot (again)

[Duhon]

What disgusts me about the left is that they are gradually coming to the opinion that I, a straight, white, christian man, am inherently evil. What disgusts me about white nationalists is that they not only give them fuel for that belief, but that they are genuinely evil.

There are more reasons to be evil than good in real life. Life rewards those who're more powerful, ruthless, and cut throat. Getting what you want and building all of the leverage you can and wielding it like a sword and shield, arguably is what should be aspired to.

Pathetic. To be reduced to this... simply pathetic.

[Kowani]

What disgusts me about the left is that they are gradually coming to the opinion that I, a straight, white, christian man, am inherently evil. What disgusts me about white nationalists is that they not only give them fuel for that belief, but that they are genuinely evil.

There are more reasons to be evil than good in real life. Life rewards those who're more powerful, ruthless, and cut throat. Getting what you want and building all of the leverage you can and wielding it like a sword and shield, arguably is what should be aspired to. Most people can't or will only get ahead to a limited extent, so it is all the more precious if someone gets into a position of ultimate power.

Salk would disagree.

[Duhon]

There are more reasons to be evil than good in real life. Life rewards those who're more powerful, ruthless, and cut throat. Getting what you want and building all of the leverage you can and wielding it like a sword and shield, arguably is what should be aspired to. Most people can't or will only get ahead to a limited extent, so it is all the more precious if someone gets into a position of ultimate power.

Salk would disagree.

Sai himself would. I mean, he's spending his time here rather than act like some evil overlord from his armed compound at the center of an irradiated wasteland.

[Petrolheadia]

What disgusts me about the left is that they are gradually coming to the opinion that I, a straight, white, christian man, am inherently evil. What disgusts me about white nationalists is that they not only give them fuel for that belief, but that they are genuinely evil.

There are more reasons to be evil than good in real life. Life rewards those who're more powerful, ruthless, and cut throat. Getting what you want and building all of the leverage you can and wielding it like a sword and shield, arguably is what should be aspired to. Most people can't or will only get ahead to a limited extent, so it is all the more precious if someone gets into a position of ultimate power.

Look, if you'll be all take and no give, nobody will want you around. I certainly wouldn't.

[Saiwania]

Look, if you'll be all take and no give, nobody will want you around. I certainly wouldn't.

By default, people can only take from me but I can't get anything back. That is what happens if you're weak or got no leverage. Life can only wear you down if you're in that situation for too long. Other people will exploit you if they can anyways, so its better if you can do the same in some way.

[The Black Forrest]

That has absolutely nothing to do with what I said or the question I asked.

OK. Now I will explain.

Real Americans are descendants of people who managed to fight against and kill a lot of Natives. The blood of the natives earned them the right to be Real Americans.

So edgy I cut myself.

[Jean-Paul Sartre]

OK. Now I will explain.

Real Americans are descendants of people who managed to fight against and kill a lot of Natives. The blood of the natives earned them the right to be Real Americans.

So edgy I cut myself.

I didn’t know blood magic was a basis for government now. This isn’t 1st millennium BC Palestine.

[The Black Forrest]

So edgy I cut myself.

I didn’t know blood magic was a basis for government now. This isn’t 1st millennium BC Palestine.

Only because we still have a system of law to keep them in check. Left to their own measures; we would be 1st millennium BC Palestine.

[Jean-Paul Sartre]

I didn’t know blood magic was a basis for government now. This isn’t 1st millennium BC Palestine.

Only because we still have a system of law to keep them in check. Left to their own measures; we would be 1st millennium BC Palestine.

Hey now.

At least the Hebrews didn’t eat some poor redneck’s flesh and blood.

[The Black Forrest]

https://www.msn.com/en-us/news/politics/trump-calls-on-minority-congresswomen-to-apologize-after-he-said-they-should-go-back-to-their-countries/ar-AAElZ9N?ocid=AMZN

https://www.msn.com/en-us/news/factchec ... ?ocid=AMZN

https://www.foxnews.com/politics/trump- ... -apologize

President Donald trump made news again for all the wrong reasons yesterday after lashing out at Democratic representatives Ayanna Pressley, Alexandria Ocasio Cortez, Ilhan Omar and Rashida Talib in a usual daily tweet storm of his, which no one can control or mitigate. While trump is known for taking shots at people, his latest anger took a dark and bigotted turn when he suggested that the congresswomen not only hated America but should "go back to the countries they came from and fix them." Already as usual, the conflict pits the people who always hated trump against the people who always loved him, and there's few people on the fence. Trump doubled down on his statements and accused the freshmen congresswomen of being "racist and vile" (isn't that ironic) and demanding democrats apologize for defending them.

Now a lot of people probably are wondering my opinion on this issue, so this is where my thoughts come in. Seriously what the actual hell was he thinking when he tweeted that? Does he understand the connotation when you tell someone of a nonwhite background to "go back to where they came from and fix the corruption there?" And how are some of them supposed to go back? Rashida Talib was born in Detroit michigan. Last time I checked, despite the war zone levels of violence Detroit is very much an American city. Alexandria Ocasio Cortez was born in the Bronx and is of Puerto Rican heritage, meaning her family has been living in America technically since 1898. Ayanna Pressley is African American and her ancestors probably were brought here against their wills two hundred years before Donald's even got off the boat. Omar was born in Somalia but spent most of her life here and is a US citizen. Of course trump's most die hard fans are doubling down as well, but this isn't even dogwhistling any more in my opinion. So what are your opinions on this issue NSers? Have you heard of the latest controversy surrounding the president, one of thousands he's been involved in?

Ok He is a racist fuckwad. How is this shocking?

Don't get caught up with his shit talking.

Ignore what he says. Watch what he does.

[EastKekistan]

There are more reasons to be evil than good in real life. Life rewards those who're more powerful, ruthless, and cut throat. Getting what you want and building all of the leverage you can and wielding it like a sword and shield, arguably is what should be aspired to. Most people can't or will only get ahead to a limited extent, so it is all the more precious if someone gets into a position of ultimate power.

Look, if you'll be all take and no give, nobody will want you around. I certainly wouldn't.

Good sociopaths pretend to be pro-social before others.

[EastKekistan]

I didn’t know blood magic was a basis for government now. This isn’t 1st millennium BC Palestine.

Only because we still have a system of law to keep them in check. Left to their own measures; we would be 1st millennium BC Palestine.

Right unironically.

Without social enforcement the world would exactly look like the Hobbesian state of nature.

[Galiantus III]

What disgusts me about the left is that they are gradually coming to the opinion that I, a straight, white, christian man, am inherently evil. What disgusts me about white nationalists is that they not only give them fuel for that belief, but that they are genuinely evil.

There are more reasons to be evil than good in real life. Life rewards those who're more powerful, ruthless, and cut throat. Getting what you want and building all of the leverage you can and wielding it like a sword and shield, arguably is what should be aspired to. Most people can't or will only get ahead to a limited extent, so it is all the more precious if someone gets into a position of ultimate power.

A fulfilling existence doesn't come from seeking power and violating the rights of other beings like yourself. Fulfillment comes from devoting yourself to improving the lives of others, starting with your family, and expanding from them to your friends, neighbors, and country. This is not to say you should not also look out for yourself, but to be truly satisfied you must be able to help others and choose to. The far left believes the individual must care for others at their own expense, while the far right believes the individual must care for themselves at the expense of others. The centrist view is the individual ought to care for themselves, but never at the expense of others, and occasionally care for others at their own choosing. Hence the left and right are authoritarian, and the center is libertarian.

[Petrolheadia]

Look, if you'll be all take and no give, nobody will want you around. I certainly wouldn't.

Good sociopaths pretend to be pro-social before others.

I don't think he is anywhere near good.

[Munkcestrian Republic]

You really liken donnie to the founders? How sad.

No, I literally did not. Try again after practicing reading comprehension.

Texans are illegal immigrants, friend.

Aside from that, it's great to see the Republican Party getting back to their Know Nothing roots.

You're an ill-educated moron. Opinion discarded.

Howdy, partner! Sounds like you're getting a bit angry. You should calm down and try to be civil.

[Munkcestrian Republic]

it means what you're saying is bullshit

English could also not be his first language. Or did you just assume his background based on the fact that he disagrees with you?

I support equality. I treat all people who disagree with me the same way.

[Great Minarchistan]

Mostly for giving a platform to the opinions of the real Americans whose ancestors founded, settled, fought for and built this country, which as much as you dislike them, are still legitimate. Also for hilariously causing liberals to lose their shit.

You really liken donnie to the founders? How sad.

What is the problem with that?

[Munkcestrian Republic]

This is also not scanning, since no one mentioned that poster's background.

Munkcestrian Republic said 5 Kingdoms of Britannia's post didn't scan, then 5 Kingdoms of Britannia said his understanding of English was not so good. Rather than be civil, Munkcestrian Republic moved all the way from not understanding the post to calling 5 Kingdoms of Britannia's post bullshit. That response only makes sense if he either didn't take the time to read 5 Kingdoms of Britannia's post about his limited ability with the language, and assumes he is talking with a US native, or if he thinks someone else's lack of linguistic ability doesn't justify them posting something that isn't clear to understand. Given the context, Munkcestrian Republic should be an ally for minorities, so he must have been assuming 5 Kingdoms of Britannia is a US native.

1. I'm always civil, as shown by my sparkling clean record.

2. I'm not American, so your preconceived notions of what I should be are irrelevant.

[Munkcestrian Republic]

*** Warned for flaming. ***

Okay, I'll be nicer. I believe that this user's post was ill-informed because it seemed to imply that my ancestors who came to settle in Texas, which was barely inhabited at the time, and who declared independence from the Mexican dictatorship that had illegally overthrown the constitutional Republic of Mexico and opened hostilities against Anglo American settlers, and who fought in the revolutionary war against said dictatorship, and who subsequently contribute to and helped build up Texas communities, are the same as modern immigrants who come into our country illegally to take advantage of what my ancestors fought and worked for while claiming to have the same rights as the American citizens whose families built this country. I believe that the poster was mistaken for making such a shamefully false equivalency.

Yes, your ancestors were illegal immigrants. If they didn't like the country they illegally settled in, they should've gone back home.

The United States is a two-party dictatorship/death cult that illegally declared independence because the evil British asked the American colonists to help pay for their defence and not to piss off native allies.

[EastKekistan]

Okay, I'll be nicer. I believe that this user's post was ill-informed because it seemed to imply that my ancestors who came to settle in Texas, which was barely inhabited at the time, and who declared independence from the Mexican dictatorship that had illegally overthrown the constitutional Republic of Mexico and opened hostilities against Anglo American settlers, and who fought in the revolutionary war against said dictatorship, and who subsequently contribute to and helped build up Texas communities, are the same as modern immigrants who come into our country illegally to take advantage of what my ancestors fought and worked for while claiming to have the same rights as the American citizens whose families built this country. I believe that the poster was mistaken for making such a shamefully false equivalency.

Yes, your ancestors were illegal immigrants. If they didn't like the country they illegally settled in, they should've gone back home.

The United States is a two-party dictatorship/death cult that illegally declared independence because the evil British asked the American colonists to help pay for their defence and not to piss off native allies.

See? Here is the problem.

Almost all major political changes involve illegality and often violence. No wonder most national heroes were/are deadly people.

The universe is theoretically amoral. In practice we can either claim that it is anti-moral or more accurately morality, unless understood as a scheme to unite a group so that they can be more effective asshats at others, is against nature for it selects for immorality outside particular ingroups as opposed to be moral-blind.

[Vassenor]

I knew Trump's rhetoric sounded familiar.

[Salandriagado]

Skin color doesn't matter. Genetics and heritage doesn't matter. We're all people. Trump says ambiguous things because it wins him attention, but he doesn't actually do anything that is racist. White supremacists and the far left are desperate to make race the important issue.

These things do matter, especially if there is a specific national vision and order you're trying to accomplish. My ambition would be to work from the shadows to undermine or roll over the opposition standing in the way of this pursuit. Donald Trump is the only one who comes close for now. What Trump wants for the US is more often than not, what I want for it as well.

Over all of the years that you've been spouting this bullshit, you've never once actually given a reason why those things matter.

[Salandriagado]

Imagine the President of the world's most powerful nation having the reasoning skills of an eleven-year-old...

It would be nice to get up to that level of competence.

[Salandriagado]

AOC and Ayanna were born in the US. The other two weren't (if I remember correctly).

Edit: Ultimately, I don't really care where they were born. I think all four of them are sources of bad policy and are bad for the country. And I would say the same of plenty of politicians with generations of ancestors in the US.

AOC's parents are second and third generation immigrants. Her family has not made the investments in the well-being of this country as those whom I would consider real Americans.

Seems to me like they've made far more of an investment. Travelling across the world to further a country's wellbeing is a far bigger investment than falling out of a vagina that happens to be in the country at the time.

America owns Puerto Rico. It is not a state and its people are not actual Americans. Same with the indigenous people of Guam, for example.

Yes they are.

[Salandriagado]

What qualifies one as a "real American?" How can being born to people born in America not make one a "real American?"

If they're not actual Americans, then why are they considered Americans legally?

Neither do any of the other people.

Nah.

"American" can only be defined racially. So ironically it is not that right to claim that Palestinians are necessarily un-American. At the very least they are near-American no matter whether they are in America.

This is even more fucking ridiculous than your usual bullshit. America has never, at any point in its history as a country, been anything vaguely resembling ethnically homogenous.