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Posted: **Mon Jul 15, 2019 3:07 pm**

Nova Cyberia wrote:
Kvatchdom wrote:How big of a war effort did the Palestinians play?

They'd already been rebelling years before.

I know US support of Israel is bound up in this whole thing but let's not go haring off into a detour that's solely about Jews and Palestinians.

Posted: **Mon Jul 15, 2019 3:07 pm**

Galiantus III wrote:
Liriena wrote:Cursing and racism are not equivalent.

Trump is not racist.

Not even a smidge of bigotry in his body. He has a great relationship with the blacks.

Galiantus III wrote:
[citation needed]

"it's all about the Benajmins, baby". Yeah.

It was worse when she said "The only kind of people I want counting my money are short guys that wear yarmulkes every day." Talk about antisemitism and stereotypes!

Posted: **Mon Jul 15, 2019 3:09 pm**

Galiantus III wrote:
Liriena wrote:Cursing and racism are not equivalent.

Trump is not racist.

Try again.

Posted: **Mon Jul 15, 2019 3:11 pm**

>Trump isn't racist

Apart from all his comments about Mexicans. And all his comments about Muslims. And the whole "shithole countries" thing.

Posted: **Mon Jul 15, 2019 3:11 pm**

When Trump is ejected from the Presidency, he should consider joining the Humane Society. He's an expert on dog whistles.

Posted: **Mon Jul 15, 2019 3:14 pm**

Vassenor wrote:>Trump isn't racist

Apart from all his comments about Mexicans. And all his comments about Muslims. And the whole "shithole countries" thing.

If those countries aren't shitholes then why do so many of their people want to come here? Is there perhaps something wrong with their countries?

Posted: **Mon Jul 15, 2019 3:15 pm**

Nova Cyberia wrote:
Vassenor wrote:>Trump isn't racist

Apart from all his comments about Mexicans. And all his comments about Muslims. And the whole "shithole countries" thing.

If those countries aren't shitholes then why do so many of their people want to come here? Is there perhaps something wrong with their countries?

The countries aren't in good shape. That being said, it doesn't mean the people from those nations are bad people.

Btw remember when trump said thousands of Arab Americans cheered on 9/11? Yeah, that never happened

Posted: **Mon Jul 15, 2019 3:16 pm**

Rojava Free State wrote:
Nova Cyberia wrote:If those countries aren't shitholes then why do so many of their people want to come here? Is there perhaps something wrong with their countries?

The countries aren't in good shape. That being said, it doesn't mean the people from those nations are bad people.

Btw remember when trump said thousands of Arab Americans cheered on 9/11? Yeah, that never happened

Calling a country a shithole doesn't really mean you're insulting the people. Haiti, for example, only has one sewage treatment plant for the entire country.

It is literally a shithole.

Posted: **Mon Jul 15, 2019 3:17 pm**

Nova Cyberia wrote:
Vassenor wrote:>Trump isn't racist

Apart from all his comments about Mexicans. And all his comments about Muslims. And the whole "shithole countries" thing.

If those countries aren't shitholes then why do so many of their people want to come here? Is there perhaps something wrong with their countries?

Of course. But calling them "shithole countries" should not come out of the mouth of the president. In fact, it is a disgrace to his diplomatic position for him say that.

Posted: **Mon Jul 15, 2019 3:17 pm**

Nova Cyberia wrote:
Kvatchdom wrote:How big of a war effort did the Palestinians play?

They'd already been rebelling years before.

>racism against Jews is wrong
>is literally racist against Arabs

Posted: **Mon Jul 15, 2019 3:18 pm**

Nova Cyberia wrote:
Rojava Free State wrote:
The countries aren't in good shape. That being said, it doesn't mean the people from those nations are bad people.

Btw remember when trump said thousands of Arab Americans cheered on 9/11? Yeah, that never happened

Calling a country a shithole doesn't really mean you're insulting the people. Haiti, for example, only has one sewage treatment plant for the entire country.

It is literally a shithole.

Except he asked why we have to take in people from shitholes and not norway. He basically stated that the people from those countries are shit too and shouldn't be allowed to come here

Posted: **Mon Jul 15, 2019 3:18 pm**

Agarntrop wrote:
Nova Cyberia wrote:If those countries aren't shitholes then why do so many of their people want to come here? Is there perhaps something wrong with their countries?

Of course. But calling them "shithole countries" should not come out of the mouth of the president. In fact, it is a disgrace to his diplomatic position for him say that.

He said it in private. It was leaked.

You gonna tell me other presidents have never cursed in private?

Because if so, I've got a bridge (great bridge, really big) to sell you.

Posted: **Mon Jul 15, 2019 3:19 pm**

Rojava Free State wrote:
Nova Cyberia wrote:Calling a country a shithole doesn't really mean you're insulting the people. Haiti, for example, only has one sewage treatment plant for the entire country.

It is literally a shithole.

Except he asked why we have to take in people from shitholes and not norway. He basically stated that the people from those countries are shit too and shouldn't be allowed to come here

Well, yes, because people from these fine nations with absolutely no problems whatsoever are by and large less educated and less skilled than someone from a first world country would be.

Posted: **Mon Jul 15, 2019 3:20 pm**

Rojava Free State wrote:
EastKekistan wrote:What's wrong with Zionism?

Ask lebanon, Palestine, Syria and egypt. Apparently Jews have a right to sovereignty but the neighboring Arab nations are ripe for invading at any time.

Stop right there. It is ambiguous whether you are talking about Isreal or the US, so I will address both:

Israel is not invading other countries, and they respect the religious views of others. There are Arabs who hold citizenship in Israel and are allowed to practice Islam freely. In fact, there are Muslims in the Israeli armed forces. Yet in all the countries you just named, Christians and Jews are either horribly oppressed or hunted down and killed. It is also a fact that the countries you named.

As for the US, all the other countries you mentioned happened to be dictatorships when the US attacked. Israel is democratic. Might there be a pattern here? I personally agree we should not be invading other nations, but I (and I hope you) can sympathize with the desire we have in the US to rid the world of dictatorship in favor of democracy. If we were talking about North Korea, for example, isn't it noble to want to free people from that kind of oppressive dictatorship? So it's not an easy issue to resolve. Like anything else, it is complex and multifaceted.

Posted: **Mon Jul 15, 2019 3:24 pm**

Galiantus III wrote:
Israel is not invading other countries, and they respect the religious views of others. There are Arabs who hold citizenship in Israel and are allowed to practice Islam freely. In fact, there are Muslims in the Israeli armed forces. Yet in all the countries you just named, Christians and Jews are either horribly oppressed or hunted down and killed. It is also a fact that the countries you named.

Israel respected Islamic citizens in the mainland, until the nation state law was passed. However, in its occupied territories Israel maintains an apartheid state that gives Jews basic rights arabs do not receive.

Posted: **Mon Jul 15, 2019 3:24 pm**

Galiantus III wrote:
Rojava Free State wrote:
Ask lebanon, Palestine, Syria and egypt. Apparently Jews have a right to sovereignty but the neighboring Arab nations are ripe for invading at any time.

Stop right there. It is ambiguous whether you are talking about Isreal or the US, so I will address both:

Israel is not invading other countries, and they respect the religious views of others. There are Arabs who hold citizenship in Israel and are allowed to practice Islam freely. In fact, there are Muslims in the Israeli armed forces. Yet in all the countries you just named, Christians and Jews are either horribly oppressed or hunted down and killed. It is also a fact that the countries you named.

As for the US, all the other countries you mentioned happened to be dictatorships when the US attacked. Israel is democratic. Might there be a pattern here? I personally agree we should not be invading other nations, but I (and I hope you) can sympathize with the desire we have in the US to rid the world of dictatorship in favor of democracy. If we were talking about North Korea, for example, isn't it noble to want to free people from that kind of oppressive dictatorship? So it's not an easy issue to resolve. Like anything else, it is complex and multifaceted.

Christians aren't oppressed in Lebanon nor are they oppressed in assad controlled Syria. They are terrorized by Syrian rebels who have gained support from Israel and America though

As for arabs in the armed forces, the few in israel's military and police are druze. Muslim and Christian Arabs have next to no representation in that nation.

Speaking of Israel "not invading other countries"
https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/1982_Lebanon_War
https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Israeli ... _Civil_War
https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Yom_Kippur_War

Posted: **Mon Jul 15, 2019 3:27 pm**

Tobleste wrote:
Nakena wrote:I believe his words echo and resonate in the feelings of many of his voters.

That's the problem. A significant number of people (and a huge portion of Republican voters) seem to think non white Americans don't count.

Well you certainly have a warped perception of reality. Republicans hate racists just as much as Democrats, and actively try to win the votes of whoever is out there. A vote is a vote, and both parties happily seek votes from whoever they can. It's only the fringe left and right who want to smear Republicans as racist because it benefits both their narratives.

Posted: **Mon Jul 15, 2019 3:29 pm**

Galiantus III wrote:
Tobleste wrote:
That's the problem. A significant number of people (and a huge portion of Republican voters) seem to think non white Americans don't count.

Well you certainly have a warped perception of reality. Republicans hate racists just as much as Democrats, and actively try to win the votes of whoever is out there. A vote is a vote, and both parties happily seek votes from whoever they can. It's only the fringe left and right who want to smear Republicans as racist because it benefits both their narratives.

Right, and totally nothing to do with the rhetoric coming out of the right... :roll:

Posted: **Mon Jul 15, 2019 3:30 pm**

Kowani wrote:
Galiantus III wrote:Trump is not racist.

Try again.

Wikipedia, eh? :roll:

Posted: **Mon Jul 15, 2019 3:32 pm**

Galiantus III wrote:
Kowani wrote:Try again.

Wikipedia, eh?

Attacking the source and not the content. That's weak.

Posted: **Mon Jul 15, 2019 3:32 pm**

Galiantus III wrote:
Kowani wrote:Try again.

Wikipedia, eh?

Don't dismiss legitimate sources in order to avoid actually debating what has been posted.

Posted: **Mon Jul 15, 2019 3:33 pm**

Galiantus III wrote:
Kowani wrote:Try again.

Wikipedia, eh?

So which of the quotes there are you claiming are made up?

Posted: **Mon Jul 15, 2019 3:33 pm**

Galiantus III wrote:
Tobleste wrote:
That's the problem. A significant number of people (and a huge portion of Republican voters) seem to think non white Americans don't count.

Well you certainly have a warped perception of reality. Republicans hate racists just as much as Democrats, and actively try to win the votes of whoever is out there. A vote is a vote, and both parties happily seek votes from whoever they can. It's only the fringe left and right who want to smear Republicans as racist because it benefits both their narratives.

And yet they keep electing racists. And coming out in support of racists when they get arrested for doing racist shit. Funny, that.

Posted: **Mon Jul 15, 2019 3:35 pm**

Galiantus III wrote:
Tobleste wrote:
That's the problem. A significant number of people (and a huge portion of Republican voters) seem to think non white Americans don't count.

Well you certainly have a warped perception of reality. Republicans hate racists just as much as Democrats, and actively try to win the votes of whoever is out there. A vote is a vote, and both parties happily seek votes from whoever they can. It's only the fringe left and right who want to smear Republicans as racist because it benefits both their narratives.

Right... it's not at all as if there's Republicans who support the Klan or think that racists are "fine people." It's not at all as if the very topic of the thread is the most prominent Republican there is thinking that certain PoC were immigrants presumably based on their race.

Posted: **Mon Jul 15, 2019 3:38 pm**

Necroghastia wrote:
Galiantus III wrote:Well you certainly have a warped perception of reality. Republicans hate racists just as much as Democrats, and actively try to win the votes of whoever is out there. A vote is a vote, and both parties happily seek votes from whoever they can. It's only the fringe left and right who want to smear Republicans as racist because it benefits both their narratives.

Right... it's not at all as if there's Republicans who support the Klan or think that racists are "fine people." It's not at all as if the very topic of the thread is the most prominent Republican there is thinking that certain PoC were immigrants presumably based on their race.

To be honest, I think there are both racist and anti racist republicans. 33 million people aren't all going to have the same views.

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