Trump stirs up the nativist pot (again)

[Farnhamia]

How big of a war effort did the Palestinians play?

They'd already been rebelling years before.

I know US support of Israel is bound up in this whole thing but let's not go haring off into a detour that's solely about Jews and Palestinians.

[Knask]

Cursing and racism are not equivalent.

Trump is not racist.

Not even a smidge of bigotry in his body. He has a great relationship with the blacks.

[citation needed]

"it's all about the Benajmins, baby". Yeah.

It was worse when she said "The only kind of people I want counting my money are short guys that wear yarmulkes every day." Talk about antisemitism and stereotypes!

[Kowani]

Cursing and racism are not equivalent.

Trump is not racist.

Try again.

[Vassenor]

>Trump isn't racist

Apart from all his comments about Mexicans. And all his comments about Muslims. And the whole "shithole countries" thing.

[The Andromeda Archipelago]

When Trump is ejected from the Presidency, he should consider joining the Humane Society. He's an expert on dog whistles.

[Nova Cyberia]

>Trump isn't racist

Apart from all his comments about Mexicans. And all his comments about Muslims. And the whole "shithole countries" thing.

If those countries aren't shitholes then why do so many of their people want to come here? Is there perhaps something wrong with their countries?

[Rojava Free State]

>Trump isn't racist

Apart from all his comments about Mexicans. And all his comments about Muslims. And the whole "shithole countries" thing.

If those countries aren't shitholes then why do so many of their people want to come here? Is there perhaps something wrong with their countries?

The countries aren't in good shape. That being said, it doesn't mean the people from those nations are bad people.

Btw remember when trump said thousands of Arab Americans cheered on 9/11? Yeah, that never happened

[Nova Cyberia]

If those countries aren't shitholes then why do so many of their people want to come here? Is there perhaps something wrong with their countries?

The countries aren't in good shape. That being said, it doesn't mean the people from those nations are bad people.

Btw remember when trump said thousands of Arab Americans cheered on 9/11? Yeah, that never happened

Calling a country a shithole doesn't really mean you're insulting the people. Haiti, for example, only has one sewage treatment plant for the entire country.

It is literally a shithole.

[Agarntrop]

>Trump isn't racist

Apart from all his comments about Mexicans. And all his comments about Muslims. And the whole "shithole countries" thing.

If those countries aren't shitholes then why do so many of their people want to come here? Is there perhaps something wrong with their countries?

Of course. But calling them "shithole countries" should not come out of the mouth of the president. In fact, it is a disgrace to his diplomatic position for him say that.

[Rojava Free State]

How big of a war effort did the Palestinians play?

They'd already been rebelling years before.

>racism against Jews is wrong
>is literally racist against Arabs

[Rojava Free State]

The countries aren't in good shape. That being said, it doesn't mean the people from those nations are bad people.

Btw remember when trump said thousands of Arab Americans cheered on 9/11? Yeah, that never happened

Calling a country a shithole doesn't really mean you're insulting the people. Haiti, for example, only has one sewage treatment plant for the entire country.

It is literally a shithole.

Except he asked why we have to take in people from shitholes and not norway. He basically stated that the people from those countries are shit too and shouldn't be allowed to come here

[Nova Cyberia]

If those countries aren't shitholes then why do so many of their people want to come here? Is there perhaps something wrong with their countries?

Of course. But calling them "shithole countries" should not come out of the mouth of the president. In fact, it is a disgrace to his diplomatic position for him say that.

He said it in private. It was leaked.

You gonna tell me other presidents have never cursed in private?

Because if so, I've got a bridge (great bridge, really big) to sell you.

[Nova Cyberia]

Calling a country a shithole doesn't really mean you're insulting the people. Haiti, for example, only has one sewage treatment plant for the entire country.

It is literally a shithole.

Except he asked why we have to take in people from shitholes and not norway. He basically stated that the people from those countries are shit too and shouldn't be allowed to come here

Well, yes, because people from these fine nations with absolutely no problems whatsoever are by and large less educated and less skilled than someone from a first world country would be.

[Galiantus III]

What's wrong with Zionism?

Ask lebanon, Palestine, Syria and egypt. Apparently Jews have a right to sovereignty but the neighboring Arab nations are ripe for invading at any time.

Stop right there. It is ambiguous whether you are talking about Isreal or the US, so I will address both:

Israel is not invading other countries, and they respect the religious views of others. There are Arabs who hold citizenship in Israel and are allowed to practice Islam freely. In fact, there are Muslims in the Israeli armed forces. Yet in all the countries you just named, Christians and Jews are either horribly oppressed or hunted down and killed. It is also a fact that the countries you named.

As for the US, all the other countries you mentioned happened to be dictatorships when the US attacked. Israel is democratic. Might there be a pattern here? I personally agree we should not be invading other nations, but I (and I hope you) can sympathize with the desire we have in the US to rid the world of dictatorship in favor of democracy. If we were talking about North Korea, for example, isn't it noble to want to free people from that kind of oppressive dictatorship? So it's not an easy issue to resolve. Like anything else, it is complex and multifaceted.

[Agarntrop]

Israel is not invading other countries, and they respect the religious views of others. There are Arabs who hold citizenship in Israel and are allowed to practice Islam freely. In fact, there are Muslims in the Israeli armed forces. Yet in all the countries you just named, Christians and Jews are either horribly oppressed or hunted down and killed. It is also a fact that the countries you named.

Israel respected Islamic citizens in the mainland, until the nation state law was passed. However, in its occupied territories Israel maintains an apartheid state that gives Jews basic rights arabs do not receive.

[Rojava Free State]

Ask lebanon, Palestine, Syria and egypt. Apparently Jews have a right to sovereignty but the neighboring Arab nations are ripe for invading at any time.

Stop right there. It is ambiguous whether you are talking about Isreal or the US, so I will address both:

Israel is not invading other countries, and they respect the religious views of others. There are Arabs who hold citizenship in Israel and are allowed to practice Islam freely. In fact, there are Muslims in the Israeli armed forces. Yet in all the countries you just named, Christians and Jews are either horribly oppressed or hunted down and killed. It is also a fact that the countries you named.

As for the US, all the other countries you mentioned happened to be dictatorships when the US attacked. Israel is democratic. Might there be a pattern here? I personally agree we should not be invading other nations, but I (and I hope you) can sympathize with the desire we have in the US to rid the world of dictatorship in favor of democracy. If we were talking about North Korea, for example, isn't it noble to want to free people from that kind of oppressive dictatorship? So it's not an easy issue to resolve. Like anything else, it is complex and multifaceted.

Christians aren't oppressed in Lebanon nor are they oppressed in assad controlled Syria. They are terrorized by Syrian rebels who have gained support from Israel and America though

As for arabs in the armed forces, the few in israel's military and police are druze. Muslim and Christian Arabs have next to no representation in that nation.

Speaking of Israel "not invading other countries"
https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/1982_Lebanon_War
https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Israeli ... _Civil_War
https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Yom_Kippur_War

[Galiantus III]

I believe his words echo and resonate in the feelings of many of his voters.

That's the problem. A significant number of people (and a huge portion of Republican voters) seem to think non white Americans don't count.

Well you certainly have a warped perception of reality. Republicans hate racists just as much as Democrats, and actively try to win the votes of whoever is out there. A vote is a vote, and both parties happily seek votes from whoever they can. It's only the fringe left and right who want to smear Republicans as racist because it benefits both their narratives.

[Vassenor]

That's the problem. A significant number of people (and a huge portion of Republican voters) seem to think non white Americans don't count.

Well you certainly have a warped perception of reality. Republicans hate racists just as much as Democrats, and actively try to win the votes of whoever is out there. A vote is a vote, and both parties happily seek votes from whoever they can. It's only the fringe left and right who want to smear Republicans as racist because it benefits both their narratives.

Right, and totally nothing to do with the rhetoric coming out of the right...

[Galiantus III]

Trump is not racist.

Try again.

Wikipedia, eh?

[Vassenor]

Try again.

Wikipedia, eh?

Attacking the source and not the content. That's weak.

[Agarntrop]

Try again.

Wikipedia, eh?

Don't dismiss legitimate sources in order to avoid actually debating what has been posted.

[Salandriagado]

Try again.

Wikipedia, eh?

So which of the quotes there are you claiming are made up?

[Salandriagado]

That's the problem. A significant number of people (and a huge portion of Republican voters) seem to think non white Americans don't count.

Well you certainly have a warped perception of reality. Republicans hate racists just as much as Democrats, and actively try to win the votes of whoever is out there. A vote is a vote, and both parties happily seek votes from whoever they can. It's only the fringe left and right who want to smear Republicans as racist because it benefits both their narratives.

And yet they keep electing racists. And coming out in support of racists when they get arrested for doing racist shit. Funny, that.

[Necroghastia]

That's the problem. A significant number of people (and a huge portion of Republican voters) seem to think non white Americans don't count.

Well you certainly have a warped perception of reality. Republicans hate racists just as much as Democrats, and actively try to win the votes of whoever is out there. A vote is a vote, and both parties happily seek votes from whoever they can. It's only the fringe left and right who want to smear Republicans as racist because it benefits both their narratives.

Right... it's not at all as if there's Republicans who support the Klan or think that racists are "fine people." It's not at all as if the very topic of the thread is the most prominent Republican there is thinking that certain PoC were immigrants presumably based on their race.

[Agarntrop]

Well you certainly have a warped perception of reality. Republicans hate racists just as much as Democrats, and actively try to win the votes of whoever is out there. A vote is a vote, and both parties happily seek votes from whoever they can. It's only the fringe left and right who want to smear Republicans as racist because it benefits both their narratives.

Right... it's not at all as if there's Republicans who support the Klan or think that racists are "fine people." It's not at all as if the very topic of the thread is the most prominent Republican there is thinking that certain PoC were immigrants presumably based on their race.

To be honest, I think there are both racist and anti racist republicans. 33 million people aren't all going to have the same views.