Trump stirs up the nativist pot (again)

[Kowani]

Because the residents of theocracies have always been so tolerant-op, religious war. Well, how about Empires? “Armenian genocide in the background.” Dictatorships? Fucking Nazis. Ideological states? What is? The Holodomor? Try again.

Yep.

That's why humans haven't figured out a better way of political organization yet. We should keep trying.

We have one. It’s called democracy.

[Salandriagado]

Can someone please explain to me how what Trump tweeted was racist? I didn't see any racial slurs in there or anything so I'm a bit confused.

You can't see how what amounts to "brown people should fuck off out of the country" is racist?

[Salandriagado]

So you can't, then?

Why would I entertain your flimsy whataboutism?

Directly addressing your claim is not whataboutism.

[Salandriagado]

No it isn't. Sincerely, someone who grew up in Leicester.

Then you haven't seen enough...believe me, the issues will come.

Why the fuck should I believe you? All available evidence points to you having no fucking clue what you're talking about.

[Knask]

Can someone please explain to me how what Trump tweeted was racist? I didn't see any racial slurs in there or anything so I'm a bit confused.

It wasn't racist. That he claimed four women of color weren't really American and should go back to the countries they came from (despite 3 of them being born in the US) was a pure coincidence. He surely would have told Pelosi to go back to the country she came from as well, if she had ever publicly suggested ways to improve the US.

[The Greater Ohio Valley]

They should, tbh. People like Omar who come here just to shit all over our country really need to go back.

“Love it or leave it” is a stupid and fallacious way to go about things.

[EastKekistan]

Yep.

That's why humans haven't figured out a better way of political organization yet. We should keep trying.

We have one. It’s called democracy.

Democracy is precisely what led to so much tribalism. The masses are unwilling to think about politics hence their political views have to be something that can be summarized in one sentence. "Browns suck", "Whites suck", "men suck", "women suck" and "Christianity rocks" are all among them.

[Duvniask]

They should, tbh. People like Omar who come here just to shit all over our country really need to go back.

“Love it or leave it” is a stupid and fallacious way to go about things.

"No, you have to go back to a war-torn hellhole, because you dared to say that America might be pretty bad too!"

[Chernoslavia]

Yep.

That's why humans haven't figured out a better way of political organization yet. We should keep trying.

We have one. It’s called democracy.

We have something better. It’s called a Constitutional Republic, or what you guys call an indirect democracy.

[Kowani]

Can someone please explain to me how what Trump tweeted was racist? I didn't see any racial slurs in there or anything so I'm a bit confused.

“They should go back to where they came from”, especially when 3 of them are from the US…

We have one. It’s called democracy.

Democracy is precisely what led to so much tribalism.

Ahistorical fiction. Democracy is:
a) very fucking young, and it’s not like we were enlightened fucking paragons before.
b) It’s actually led to less tribalism and more cooperation.

[Kowani]

We have one. It’s called democracy.

We have something better. It’s called a Constitutional Republic, or what you guys call an indirect democracy.

Still a type of democracy. Semantic fuckery noted and discarded.

[EastKekistan]

Can someone please explain to me how what Trump tweeted was racist? I didn't see any racial slurs in there or anything so I'm a bit confused.

“They should go back to where they came from”, especially when 3 of them are from the US…

Democracy is precisely what led to so much tribalism.

Ahistorical fiction. Democracy is:
a) very fucking young, and it’s not like we were enlightened fucking paragons before.
b) It’s actually led to less tribalism and more cooperation.

Democracy isn't young. Athens had something similar. Even at that time people already voted for people for completely absurd reasons such as "I have heard of Dude X".

[Page]

One apparently can't criticize the country one lives in, or, God forbid, want to better it.

She has not improved America in the least. In fact, all she's done is deepen the divide.

She came here from a literal shithole of a country, yet seems completely unappreciative of the life this country has afforded her. All she can ever muster herself to do is completely shit all over it.

I'm so sick of hearing "the divide" as if it's something one faction has inflicted on everyone else. Conflict inevitably exists when one group dominates, exploits, and deprives another. The right loves to play the division card, claiming that we had perfect racial harmony until Al Sharpton, Jesse Jackson, and Obama agitated the black people and made them think they were oppressed. Or "no one cares if you're gay" as a criticism against pride, as if homophobia never oppressed or killed anyone, no one ever had a problem with gays until they got so flamboyant and militant, right?

The divide deepens because we're in a struggle for our freedom and our lives. We're not going to all hold hands and wave flags together while the ultra-rich steal more and more from everyone else, while asylum seekers are locked in cages where they are raped and left to die from disease, while fascists aim for ethnic cleansing.

And I've never heard Omar say anything against America. She speaks out against racism, corruption, and cruelty, but I don't think those things belong in America. To hate the cancer in one's own body is not to hate one's self.

[Duvniask]

We have something better. It’s called a Constitutional Republic, or what you guys call an indirect democracy.

Still a type of democracy. Semantic fuckery noted and discarded.

"it's a republic, not a democracy" is one of the most smooth-brained things ever, and it's usually Americans who say it.

The next couple of years of studying political science will be hard on my mental state, I can already tell.

[EastKekistan]

Even though most people suck at political theory we still need democracy though because the hazards of an elite disregarding the interests of the masses still outweigh the hazards of the masses not knowing what they are voting for.

[The Alma Mater]

Still a type of democracy. Semantic fuckery noted and discarded.

"it's a republic, not a democracy" is one of the most smooth-brained things ever, and it's usually Americans who say it.

The next couple of years of studying political science will be hard on my mental state, I can already tell.

To be fair, a direct democracy is a rather disgusting system of government, while a republic is not.

[EastKekistan]

She has not improved America in the least. In fact, all she's done is deepen the divide.

She came here from a literal shithole of a country, yet seems completely unappreciative of the life this country has afforded her. All she can ever muster herself to do is completely shit all over it.

I'm so sick of hearing "the divide" as if it's something one faction has inflicted on everyone else. Conflict inevitably exists when one group dominates, exploits, and deprives another. The right loves to play the division card, claiming that we had perfect racial harmony until Al Sharpton, Jesse Jackson, and Obama agitated the black people and made them think they were oppressed. Or "no one cares if you're gay" as a criticism against pride, as if homophobia never oppressed or killed anyone, no one ever had a problem with gays until they got so flamboyant and militant, right?

The divide deepens because we're in a struggle for our freedom and our lives. We're not going to all hold hands and wave flags together while the ultra-rich steal more and more from everyone else, while asylum seekers are locked in cages where they are raped and left to die from disease, while fascists aim for ethnic cleansing.

And I've never heard Omar say anything against America. She speaks out against racism, corruption, and cruelty, but I don't think those things belong in America. To hate the cancer in one's own body is not to hate one's self.

Conflict inevitably exists when at least two persons coexist. Humans inherently want to dominate each other and gain at each other's expense. Both sides will pretend to defend shared moral values while pushing each other under the bus.

[Kowani]

“They should go back to where they came from”, especially when 3 of them are from the US…


Ahistorical fiction. Democracy is:
a) very fucking young, and it’s not like we were enlightened fucking paragons before.
b) It’s actually led to less tribalism and more cooperation.

Democracy isn't young. Athens had something similar. Even at that time people already voted for people for completely absurd reasons such as "I have heard of Dude X".

Democracy died with the Roman Republic, and was then revived by America on a statewide scale. In the eyes of political theory, that makes it young, especially when you consider how restricted and elitist Roman society was. It’d be like claiming that Communism was ancient because of Native Americans.

[Kowani]

I'm so sick of hearing "the divide" as if it's something one faction has inflicted on everyone else. Conflict inevitably exists when one group dominates, exploits, and deprives another. The right loves to play the division card, claiming that we had perfect racial harmony until Al Sharpton, Jesse Jackson, and Obama agitated the black people and made them think they were oppressed. Or "no one cares if you're gay" as a criticism against pride, as if homophobia never oppressed or killed anyone, no one ever had a problem with gays until they got so flamboyant and militant, right?

The divide deepens because we're in a struggle for our freedom and our lives. We're not going to all hold hands and wave flags together while the ultra-rich steal more and more from everyone else, while asylum seekers are locked in cages where they are raped and left to die from disease, while fascists aim for ethnic cleansing.

And I've never heard Omar say anything against America. She speaks out against racism, corruption, and cruelty, but I don't think those things belong in America. To hate the cancer in one's own body is not to hate one's self.

Conflict inevitably exists when at least two persons coexist. Humans inherently want to dominate each other and gain at each other's expense. Both sides will pretend to defend shared moral values while pushing each other under the bus.

You have one note on that flute, and you can’t even play it right.

[The Alma Mater]

Democracy isn't young. Athens had something similar. Even at that time people already voted for people for completely absurd reasons such as "I have heard of Dude X".

Democracy died with the Roman Republic, and was then revived by America on a statewide scale.

You do realise that there were quite a few republics before the USA ?

[Heloin]

They should, tbh. People like Omar who come here just to shit all over our country really need to go back.

I'd prefer not to be deported just because you want immigrants to who criticise America to get out.

[The South Falls]

Many of his core has felt that way since the beginning of time. It's just that their anger has finally blown the lid off the pot and bubbled to the surface.

[EastKekistan]

They should, tbh. People like Omar who come here just to shit all over our country really need to go back.

I'd prefer not to be deported just because you want immigrants to who criticise America to get out.

It is race/tribe that matters in a republic, not where you were born lol.

[Salandriagado]

We have one. It’s called democracy.

Democracy is precisely what led to so much tribalism. The masses are unwilling to think about politics hence their political views have to be something that can be summarized in one sentence. "Browns suck", "Whites suck", "men suck", "women suck" and "Christianity rocks" are all among them.

This has absolutely no resemblence to reality: all such things have significantly declined since the advent of democracy.

[Nakena]

Many of his core has felt that way since the beginning of time. It's just that their anger has finally blown the lid off the pot and bubbled to the surface.

Pretty much yep.