Trump stirs up the nativist pot (again)

[Purgatio]

You can't make assumptions about people's character just because they say something negative to someone who isn't white. If a boss tells an employee who is black that he's incompetent and should be fired you can't assume he's being racist because "the guy is black and it plays into an existing racial stereotype". Those two things alone aren't proof of anything.

Hmmmm? You are making the assumptions here. donnie is a public figure and his comments are logged. So far; nothing found in the "go back home" variety for whites. Many many negative comments for non-whites.

As to your boss example? If the boss is calling him incompetent and he is not? Probably a racist. If he has a white employee who is equally incompetent and the boss does not directly call him that or even mention it? Probably a racist.....

Or...alternatively, it could mean the boss has inaccurately assessed that this black employee is incompetent, without that inaccurate assessment being linked to the fact that he's black. Why is that not an option for you? Is it that hard to take the stance that maybe Trump is wrong about these four women hating America, but his belief that they do is not because they are non-white? That is a viable alternative position, you know.

[The Black Forrest]

Whitey is/was a term in the US. Blackey never was. Right now donnie can't get too derogatory (ie nigger) as it's rather frowned on these days. Espcially in politics. They go the more subtle route.....

The problem with that is people end up reading racism into situations and comments where there is no proof they exist. Is it possible that Trump's tweets were racially-motivated? Of course its possible, but I'm not a mind-reader and in the absence of clear proof I don't think its fair to just assume that about anyone.

Again many many comments over non-whites and few if any for whites......

[Zurkerx]

To be fair, he'll do anything to win re-election. And I know I'm going to have to hear since the family, especially the grandparents, watch Fox News. This is going to be a rough election.

Sounds like you're going to have some quite "fair-and-balanced" trumpian times ahead.

Don't remind me... I like my news from Reuters, BBC, Wall Street Journal, and the Economist.

Edit: though given I'm cheap at times, I guess CNN, Washington Post, and The Atlantic shall suffice.

[Duvniask]

If you were a white person born and raised in South Africa, and I attacked your criticism by telling you "go back to your own country, whitey", I suppose there would be no racism behind such a statement either, huh. Fact of the matter is, you don't attack someone's criticism of your country by invoking their otherness or suggesting they aren't "real" Americans. Invoking said otherness when they are of a different race screams racism.

Also, that statement in your example is racist because it says "whitey". If Trump had tweeted "Ilhan Omar should return to her country, blackey" obviously I'd say that's racist.

I almost edited it out of my post, because I knew, I just knew you were gonna hinge on this word.

The fact of the matter is, you'd still cry racism if someone else subjected you to it, without directly referencing your race and why wouldn't you? What reason is there for them to tell you that you don't belong, after all, you were raised there, spent all your life there, and here they come, for some reason, telling you that you don't belong. And why? Why would they tell you to go back to "your own country", when the only connection you have to "it" is your lineage, in other words, your race?

If you can't see the racism implicit in telling someone brown to go back to "their own country", despite being born in the US, then you're being willfully ignorant. Their connection to said "country" is their race, their ethnicity, or religion, I suppose, whichever one you choose. You're plugging your fingers into your ears at this point, and so are all the others who defend Trump with this obfuscatory nonsense.

[Purgatio]

The problem with that is people end up reading racism into situations and comments where there is no proof they exist. Is it possible that Trump's tweets were racially-motivated? Of course its possible, but I'm not a mind-reader and in the absence of clear proof I don't think its fair to just assume that about anyone.

Again many many comments over non-whites and few if any for whites......

I don't think that proves it either. The left consists disproportionately of non-whites and the right consists disproportionately of white people for demographic reasons, if Trump attacks random political opponents he's more likely to attack a non-white than a white person simply because of demographics, but it doesn't prove that race is the reason for these criticisms

[The Black Forrest]

Hmmmm? You are making the assumptions here. donnie is a public figure and his comments are logged. So far; nothing found in the "go back home" variety for whites. Many many negative comments for non-whites.

As to your boss example? If the boss is calling him incompetent and he is not? Probably a racist. If he has a white employee who is equally incompetent and the boss does not directly call him that or even mention it? Probably a racist.....

Or...alternatively, it could mean the boss has inaccurately assessed that this black employee is incompetent, without that inaccurate assessment being linked to the fact that he's black. Why is that not an option for you? Is it that hard to take the stance that maybe Trump is wrong about these four women hating America, but his belief that they do is not because they are non-white? That is a viable alternative position, you know.

Well? Your boss example is at best a distraction.

Point remains. He has many many derogatory comments for non-whites and few if any for whites in general.

[Nakena]

Sounds like you're going to have some quite "fair-and-balanced" trumpian times ahead.

Don't remind me... I like my news from Reuters, BBC, Wall Street Journal, and the Economist.

A patrician pick.

[Loben The 2nd]

Democratic voters?

This bullshit now?

Just saying, that term cant possibly be seen as racist because its a whole fucking umbrella.

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https://splinternews.com/meghan-mccain- ... 1836494316

She is the WORST. Leave it to Meghan McCain to make this about herself.

[Duvniask]

https://splinternews.com/meghan-mccain-locates-the-real-victim-in-the-ilhan-omar-1836494316

She is the WORST. Leave it to Meghan McCain to make this about herself.

"But did I tell you about MY FATHER?"

[Purgatio]

https://splinternews.com/meghan-mccain-locates-the-real-victim-in-the-ilhan-omar-1836494316

She is the WORST. Leave it to Meghan McCain to make this about herself.

So I read the article, read the comments in full. That headline is a massive overreaction. All she is saying is that making racist criticisms of Person A distract from legitimate criticisms of Person A because Person A's defenders can make noise about the former while crowding out or ignoring the latter. That's all. She's not saying she is personally, solely and individually victimised by those chants.

[The Black Forrest]

Again many many comments over non-whites and few if any for whites......

I don't think that proves it either. The left consists disproportionately of non-whites and the right consists disproportionately of white people for demographic reasons, if Trump attacks random political opponents he's more likely to attack a non-white than a white person simply because of demographics, but it doesn't prove that race is the reason for these criticisms

The problem with that argument? Biden for example hasn't been told to leave this country.

Oh. I did think of one example. Calling Warren Pocahontas. Problem is the Native Americans find that objectionable.

[The Greater Union of Man]

It is a simple idea, if you don't like a country, leave it. There are 195 other recognized countries, several unrecognized, and an unclaimed swath of land in the Sahara. You have plenty of choices and nobody should have to live somewhere that they hate

[Nevv Vegas]

>House voting over tweets instead of the gushing southern border, climate change or anything else

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-yjZohb9xeM

[EastKekistan]

Anyone else recall the time when the Republicans declared it patriotic to criticize the United States and its government, around when an uppity Kenyan usurper was President?

This is good evidence that the average asabiyyah in America is already very low.

What is the most concerning is not whether the left or the right wins. Instead it is how many shared social and political norms they are willing to break to achieve what they want.

[Zurkerx]

Don't remind me... I like my news from Reuters, BBC, Wall Street Journal, and the Economist.

A patrician pick.

Well, I only like and respect the highest quality of news.

*takes a seat in his golden throne.

Squire! Fetch me my grapes. I'm hungry...

[Kowani]

It is a simple idea, if you don't like a country, leave it. There are 195 other recognized countries, several unrecognized, and an unclaimed swath of land in the Sahara. You have plenty of choices and nobody should have to live somewhere that they hate

This is, of course, a terrible idea.
1775: If you don’t like King George’s taxes, just leave!
1865: If you don’t like slavery, just leave!
1965: If you don’t like Jim Crow, just leave!
2019: If you don’t like structural racism, just leave!

[Nakena]

A patrician pick.

Well, I only like and respect the highest quality of news.

*takes a seat in his golden throne.

Squire! Fetch me my grapes. I'm hungry...

The other ones though are a little debatable. From what I got told Economist went down the drain bigly. *reaches you the grapes and chews one*

Anyone else recall the time when the Republicans declared it patriotic to criticize the United States and its government, around when an uppity Kenyan usurper was President?

This is good evidence that the average asabiyyah in America is already very low.

Increasingly so. yes.

>House voting over tweets instead of the gushing southern border, climate change or anything else

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-yjZohb9xeM

Clearly it shows their priorities. Also the first condemnation in about a hundred years.

@topic

Bit old but still relevant. And yes its VOX. A literal liberal publication. So let that sink.

The midterm elections revealed that America is in a cold civil war


The results make clear that American politics is polarized not on the basis of class or even ideology, but on identity. The United States is currently split into two camps: One side open to mass immigration and changes to the country’s traditional racial hierarchy, the other is deeply hostile to it. Trump and congressional Republicans did their best to exploit these divides — remember the caravan? — and the best political science we have suggests that such divides exist between Americans who live in different places and socialize with different people.

This is a longstanding divide in America, one that accelerated under President Barack Obama. But President Donald Trumps’s 2016 campaign, the most racially divisive in modern history, escalated this into a kind of cold civil war. Trump’s victory was a kind of political Fort Sumter, a sign that a smaller and more racially conservative part of the country would not accept social change without a fight.

The midterm elections have revealed that this fight is here to stay, for at least as long as Trump is in the White House. We are locked in a kind of cold civil war.

Le Sauce: https://www.vox.com/midterm-elections/2 ... ce-surburb

[Kowani]

A patrician pick.

Well, I only like and respect the highest quality of news.

*takes a seat in his golden throne.

Squire! Fetch me my grapes. I'm hungry...

How does one reconcile libertarianism and monarchy?

[Nakena]

Well, I only like and respect the highest quality of news.

*takes a seat in his golden throne.

Squire! Fetch me my grapes. I'm hungry...

How does one reconcile libertarianism and monarchy?

Ask Hans Herman Hoppe.

[Purgatio]

I don't think that proves it either. The left consists disproportionately of non-whites and the right consists disproportionately of white people for demographic reasons, if Trump attacks random political opponents he's more likely to attack a non-white than a white person simply because of demographics, but it doesn't prove that race is the reason for these criticisms

The problem with that argument? Biden for example hasn't been told to leave this country.

Oh. I did think of one example. Calling Warren Pocahontas. Problem is the Native Americans find that objectionable.

Yeah I agree that was racist but in fairness I'm more disturbed by Elizabeth Warren being touted by her university as an example of faculty diversity, which is the bigger structural racial issue than Trump using an offensive slur online.

[EastKekistan]

The problem with that argument? Biden for example hasn't been told to leave this country.

Oh. I did think of one example. Calling Warren Pocahontas. Problem is the Native Americans find that objectionable.

Yeah I agree that was racist but in fairness I'm more disturbed by Elizabeth Warren being touted by her university as an example of faculty diversity, which is the bigger structural racial issue than Trump using an offensive slur online.

I think the race situation in America is a complete trainwreck. I don't think it can ever be fixed.

The best choice is probably setting up Hawaii for STEM folks, entrepreneurs and other non-authoritarian people and let identitarians of whatever kind do whatever they want everywhere else as long as they don't enter Hawaii.

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https://splinternews.com/meghan-mccain-locates-the-real-victim-in-the-ilhan-omar-1836494316

She is the WORST. Leave it to Meghan McCain to make this about herself.

So I read the article, read the comments in full. That headline is a massive overreaction. All she is saying is that making racist criticisms of Person A distract from legitimate criticisms of Person A because Person A's defenders can make noise about the former while crowding out or ignoring the latter. That's all. She's not saying she is personally, solely and individually victimised by those chants.

In any case it's really cringey for her to whine that Trump's open racism diminish her ability to spout her own bullshit about Ilhan Omar, which is less direct as Trump's but no less stupid.

Also, like I said, Meghan McCain is the worst. She had Tulsi Gabbard on her show, Tulsi educated her about American foreign policy and it was like talking to a brick wall. Then she interviewed Julian Castro and she was incapable of understanding the difference between decriminalization vs. legalization. And everything she's thus far said against Ilhan Omar is stupid.

[Nakena]

So I read the article, read the comments in full. That headline is a massive overreaction. All she is saying is that making racist criticisms of Person A distract from legitimate criticisms of Person A because Person A's defenders can make noise about the former while crowding out or ignoring the latter. That's all. She's not saying she is personally, solely and individually victimised by those chants.

In any case it's really cringey for her to whine that Trump's open racism diminish her ability to spout her own bullshit about Ilhan Omar, which is less direct as Trump's but no less stupid.

Also, like I said, Meghan McCain is the worst. She had Tulsi Gabbard on her show, Tulsi educated her about American foreign policy and it was like talking to a brick wall. Then she interviewed Julian Castro and she was incapable of understanding the difference between decriminalization vs. legalization. And everything she's thus far said against Ilhan Omar is stupid.

Sounds like a neocon relic from the 2000s.

[Vallermoore]

Trump in my eyes is racist and a bigot too.