Trump stirs up the nativist pot (again)

[Salandriagado]

Which side of a line on the ground you happened to drop out of a vagina in, however, is in no way something to be proud of.

Why not?

Because you didn't do anything. You didn't make things better for anybody, you didn't invest any effort, you just happened to be born in a particular place. It makes about as much sense as being proud of winning a coin flip: that is, none whatsoever.

More generally: because you should be proud of what you do, not what you are.

[An Alan Smithee Nation]

Trump's America is not something to be proud of.

[The Emerald Legion]

Why not?

Because you didn't do anything. You didn't make things better for anybody, you didn't invest any effort, you just happened to be born in a particular place. It makes about as much sense as being proud of winning a coin flip: that is, none whatsoever.

More generally: because you should be proud of what you do, not what you are.

And that's where we disagree. Accomplishing a thing by luck is just as valid an accomplishment as one by skill.

[Gormwood]

Trump's America is not something to be proud of.

If he gets reelected there's a good chance The Simpsons will become prophecy.

[Salandriagado]

Because you didn't do anything. You didn't make things better for anybody, you didn't invest any effort, you just happened to be born in a particular place. It makes about as much sense as being proud of winning a coin flip: that is, none whatsoever.

More generally: because you should be proud of what you do, not what you are.

And that's where we disagree. Accomplishing a thing by luck is just as valid an accomplishment as one by skill.

It's not even an accomplishment, though: literally everybody has managed being born.

[The Emerald Legion]

And that's where we disagree. Accomplishing a thing by luck is just as valid an accomplishment as one by skill.

It's not even an accomplishment, though: literally everybody has managed being born.

Pff. Unlikely. We just never meet the ones who fail.

[Jean-Paul Sartre]

Trump's America is not something to be proud of.

If he gets reelected there's a good chance The Simpsons will become prophecy.

Eeexcellent.

[Gormwood]

Donnie doesn't stir the nativist pot so much as stick a drill blender in it and crank it up to maximum.

[Zordennox]

Why not?

Because you didn't do anything. You didn't make things better for anybody, you didn't invest any effort, you just happened to be born in a particular place. It makes about as much sense as being proud of winning a coin flip: that is, none whatsoever.

More generally: because you should be proud of what you do, not what you are.

But who you are does have a connection with what you do. For example, a person with a chronic disease cannot do certain things, and that's okay. An eccentric genius will not do what he considers average.

Being born in a particular place makes you able to contribute to it, invest effort into it, protect it, and continue it. This is why Whites can be proud of their homelands, and that's why other peoples can be proud of their homelands as well.

[Ohioan Territory]

Because you didn't do anything. You didn't make things better for anybody, you didn't invest any effort, you just happened to be born in a particular place. It makes about as much sense as being proud of winning a coin flip: that is, none whatsoever.

More generally: because you should be proud of what you do, not what you are.

But who you are does have a connection with what you do. For example, a person with a chronic disease cannot do certain things, and that's okay. An eccentric genius will not do what he considers average.

Being born in a particular place makes you able to contribute to it, invest effort into it, protect it, and continue it. This is why Whites can be proud of their homelands, and that's why other peoples can be proud of their homelands as well.

You can appreciate where you've been born without being blindly proud of it. Being proud comes with what your nation does and what you do within your nation to better it, I'd say.

[Tobleste]

The 4 congresswoman he attacked are American. They're just not "Real Americans" and we all know what that means.

If I had it my way, I'd have ensured that their parents or their parents' parents were never able to get US citizenship, and as a result the US would be more majority White than it is now. What a disaster the Immigration and Nationality Act of 1952 and onwards, proved to be.

Well at least you're honest. About a third of America wants the same thing but won't admit it.

[Nakena]

Trump doubles down - again!

The absolute madman.

‘Send her back’: Trump batters Dem congresswomen on campaign trail - Trump's racist tweets distill into a 2020 campaign rallying cry.

In 2016, it was “lock her up."

In 2019, it's "send her back."

President Donald Trump doubled down on the go-back-to-where-you-came-from trope during a Wednesday rally in Greenville, N.C., laying into the four progressive House members who have styled themselves as the foil to the Republican president.

During his first rally since officially relaunching his re-election campaign, Trump spent more of his initial energy focusing on the four new Democratic members — Alexandria Ocasio-Cortez of New York, Ilhan Omar of Minnesota, Ayanna Pressley of Massachusetts and Rashida Tlaib of Michigan — than his assorted 2020 presidential opponents. The rally was a campaign distillation of the racist tweets he had sent Sunday where he insisted the four members "go back and help fix the totally broken and crime infested places from which they came."

"They are always telling us how to run it, how to do this," Trump said Wednesday of the Democratic freshmen. "You know what? If they don't love it, tell them to leave it."

Save for the occasional heckler, the crowd at East Carolina University seemed to enjoy his new campaign themes, chanting “send her back” and responding to other encouragement to make itself heard. It echoed the way crowds on the 2016 campaign trail delighted in chanting “lock her up” when Democratic nominee Hillary Clinton was mentioned, except none of the four congresswomen is running against him.

Most of Trump's complaints about the members were recycled attacks that have already garnered criticism for taking the members' words out of context. Trump accused Pressley of trying to monopolize the narratives of people of color and claimed Omar minimized the 9/11 attacks while sympathizing for Americans trying to join ISIS.

Trump mocked Ocasio-Cortez's name, saying "I don't have time to go with three different names. We will call her Cortez. It takes too much time." He also called her proposed Green New Deal a failure.

But the reaction to the old attacks was reshaped following Trump's Sunday tweets. When Trump mentioned Omar, the crowd exploded in chants of "Send her back!" One attendee shouted out: "Let's get rid of her!" Omar was born in Somalia and came to the United States as a child.

While Trump also went after his 2020 Democratic opponents, reviving the taunts "Sleepy Joe" and "Pocahontas" for rivals Joe Biden and Sen. Elizabeth Warren, the four freshman Democrats — who have been branded as "the Squad" — were the primary initial targets.

"I just heard that the United States House of Representatives has overwhelmingly voted to kill the most ridiculous project I've ever been involved in, the resolution — how stupid is that — on impeachment," Trump said. Earlier in the day, 137 Democrats and 194 Republicans voted to delay the measure indefinitely.

"I want to thank those Democrats, because many of them voted for us," he said at the top of the rally.

The president distinguished those Democrats from the Squad, whom he characterized as un-American.

Trump later added of the House Democrats who didn't vote for immediate impeachment: "They are fine. And they — you know, you lose to them, it's different. It's OK. It's called normal political back-and-forth. But I want to tell you something. The Democrats are becoming so violent, so vicious, moving so far left, it's out of control."

Trump later called Democrats the party of "intolerance and division," whereas "the Republican Party is the party for all Americans and American values."

Le Sauce: https://www.politico.com/story/2019/07/ ... ly-1418904

[Galiantus III]

If I had it my way, I'd have ensured that their parents or their parents' parents were never able to get US citizenship, and as a result the US would be more majority White than it is now. What a disaster the Immigration and Nationality Act of 1952 and onwards, proved to be.

Well at least you're honest. About a third of America wants the same thing but won't admit it.

It would be quite convenient and self-affirming for you if that were the case, now wouldn't it? The far left needs the far right to justify its existence, and the far right needs the far left to justify its existence. Real life is boring. Very few people are far anything.

[Tobleste]

If I had it my way, I'd have ensured that their parents or their parents' parents were never able to get US citizenship, and as a result the US would be more majority White than it is now. What a disaster the Immigration and Nationality Act of 1952 and onwards, proved to be.

Oh look. An actual racist. See lefties? They brand themselves. No need to call people racists who aren't.

Skin color doesn't matter. Genetics and heritage doesn't matter. We're all people. Trump says ambiguous things because it wins him attention, but he doesn't actually do anything that is racist. White supremacists and the far left are desperate to make race the important issue.

So all racists are also honest about it?

Also, if white supremacists want to make race an issue, should the rest of us just ignore it?

AOC and Ayanna were born in the US. The other two weren't (if I remember correctly).

Edit: Ultimately, I don't really care where they were born. I think all four of them are sources of bad policy and are bad for the country. And I would say the same of plenty of politicians with generations of ancestors in the US.

AOC's parents are second and third generation immigrants. Her family has not made the investments in the well-being of this country as those whom I would consider real Americans.

America owns Puerto Rico. It is not a state and its people are not actual Americans. Same with the indigenous people of Guam, for example.

Pressley seems to actually be American. Unless I'm terribly mistaken, her family identifies completely with America, and not any other country, in Africa or anywhere else. She has nowhere to "go back" to.

And yes, all of their policies are horrendous.

So how many generations are needed to become fully American if your AOC? (I presume it's different for her and white people graduate to fill American fully). Puerto Ricans are US citizens and have been for a century.

Pressley is American afaik. Trump presumed she was foreign because she wasn't white.

[Tobleste]

Well at least you're honest. About a third of America wants the same thing but won't admit it.

It would be quite convenient and self-affirming for you if that were the case, now wouldn't it? The far left needs the far right to justify its existence, and the far right needs the far left to justify its existence. Real life is boring. Very few people are far anything.

Except the president of the United states.

Fortunately, many people aren't as inclined to ignore racist comments by the most powerful man on earth as you are.

[Jakker]

Salandriagado, you made 10 separate posts in a row on the previous page. Please try to lump your responses rather than posting them all separately. Otherwise, so many posts in a row gets into potential spamming territory.

[Purgatio]

It would be quite convenient and self-affirming for you if that were the case, now wouldn't it? The far left needs the far right to justify its existence, and the far right needs the far left to justify its existence. Real life is boring. Very few people are far anything.

Except the president of the United states.

Fortunately, many people aren't as inclined to ignore racist comments by the most powerful man on earth as you are.

Its not racist to claim that someone has gone overboard in their criticism of a country that their patriotism and love for that country starts to come into question. There's nothing about it that's remotely racist. You can disagree with that conclusion without making the allegation that it's racist.

[The Black Forrest]

Except the president of the United states.

Fortunately, many people aren't as inclined to ignore racist comments by the most powerful man on earth as you are.

Its not racist to claim that someone has gone overboard in their criticism of a country that their patriotism and love for that country starts to come into question. There's nothing about it that's remotely racist. You can disagree with that conclusion without making the allegation that it's racist.

It's racist if you only make the claims against non-Caucasians. It's also rather unamerican to not criticize the government or politicals.

[Duvniask]

Its not racist to claim that someone has gone overboard in their criticism of a country that their patriotism and love for that country starts to come into question. There's nothing about it that's remotely racist. You can disagree with that conclusion without making the allegation that it's racist.

It's racist if you only make the claims against non-Caucasians. It's also rather unamerican to not criticism the government or political.

Plus, it's non-Caucasians born and raised in the US, and in Ilhan Omar's case, she hasn't been to her country of birth since childhood.

[Lamoni]

One apparently can't criticize the country one lives in, or, God forbid, want to better it.

She has not improved America in the least. In fact, all she's done is deepen the divide.

She came here from a literal shithole of a country, yet seems completely unappreciative of the life this country has afforded her. All she can ever muster herself to do is completely shit all over it.

What was that freedom of expression thing again?

Yes, she does indeed have the freedom to be a piece of shit.

Nova Cyberia:

*** Warning for trolling ***

You can disagree with people, even politicians without needing to insult them. I would highly encourage you to do so in the future.

[The Archipelago Territory]

We have the MAGA thread for this. Could someone please merge it?

[EastKekistan]

But who you are does have a connection with what you do. For example, a person with a chronic disease cannot do certain things, and that's okay. An eccentric genius will not do what he considers average.

Being born in a particular place makes you able to contribute to it, invest effort into it, protect it, and continue it. This is why Whites can be proud of their homelands, and that's why other peoples can be proud of their homelands as well.

You can appreciate where you've been born without being blindly proud of it. Being proud comes with what your nation does and what you do within your nation to better it, I'd say.

As I said before, identitarianism correlates with low socioeconomic status. The richer, more powerful and more knowledgeable you are the less likely that you'll be into it. Rooted people and low status people, rootless people and high status people are largely the same. For example no matter how much ethnonat was there in Europe the monarchs of warring nations were actually mostly relatives. Same for modern leaders in the world to a less extant. They get along a lot better than commoners from different nations because leaders don't believe in the ethnonat nonsense they feed their subjects.

This obviously does not imply that genetics and performance aren't correlated. Sadly noticing that has become taboo in the West so we are basically in a clusterfuck with both sides being anti-rational people.

[Tobleste]

Except the president of the United states.

Fortunately, many people aren't as inclined to ignore racist comments by the most powerful man on earth as you are.

Its not racist to claim that someone has gone overboard in their criticism of a country that their patriotism and love for that country starts to come into question. There's nothing about it that's remotely racist. You can disagree with that conclusion without making the allegation that it's racist.

Agreed but he told them to "go back" to the countries they "came from". Questioning patriotism is fine, telling non white congresswomen to go away to their 'real countries' isn't.

[Chestaan]

Except the president of the United states.

Fortunately, many people aren't as inclined to ignore racist comments by the most powerful man on earth as you are.

Its not racist to claim that someone has gone overboard in their criticism of a country that their patriotism and love for that country starts to come into question. There's nothing about it that's remotely racist. You can disagree with that conclusion without making the allegation that it's racist.

The racist part was where he told them to leave the country. They aren't illegal immigrants, they are American citizens and so he has no reason to tell them to leave other than their skin colour.

[Bear Stearns]

Its not racist to claim that someone has gone overboard in their criticism of a country that their patriotism and love for that country starts to come into question. There's nothing about it that's remotely racist. You can disagree with that conclusion without making the allegation that it's racist.

It's racist if you only make the claims against non-Caucasians. It's also rather unamerican to not criticize the government or politicals.

If Trump told most of the white foreigners in our government to fuck off back to their homelands, he'd be called an anti-semite.