Trump stirs up the nativist pot (again)

[Galiantus III]

Rashida Talib has a more foul mouth than Trump and has actually advocated for violence, AOC is an airhead who won her district on an exploit and is out of touch with her district, and Ilhan Omar is a pez dispenser for antisemitism and hate against America. They are terrible people compared to Trump. So yeah. I care zero percent what Trump has to say about the lot of them. And by the way, these congresswomen have been a thorn in Nancy Pelosi's side fore the past seven months straight. Democrats don't have to agree with Trump to recognize they are batshit insane and need to be stripped of their party membership and shunned in congress.

It also makes perfect sense to suggest that people who migrated to a better country go back to their country of origin and help the people they are related to by blood, their family and extended family, and their friends and neighbors. Whatever connotations you are referring to are absolutely not racist - I have like 50% English heritage, and I would have no shame telling an English migrant who became my political rival "go back across the pond you redcoat and fix the problems with your own country". See, the left is the one obsessed with race here. Trump does this to literally all of his political opponents, regardless of their race. There are conservative politicians who are of "minority groups" as defined by the left, and you'll notice he doesn't hurl insults at them like this. Yeah, it's childish. But it's far from "bigoted"(as used incorrectly by the left), "vile", or "racist".

Look, I don't particularly like Trump. He is a pretty crass person. But if the Democrats keep on going like they have, I am going to vote for him. The economy is good, he has more tempered hand with our military than Obama did, and honestly I don't see where the idea he is racist, homophobic, etc. is coming from. The only real issues the far left should have with him are he's against socialism, against abortion, and against open borders. And frankly, those are pretty mainstream views - even some centrist Democrats agree with those.

Meanwhile, in reality...

I'm sure the working class of America absolutely love being told their life experiences are not "reality".

[EastKekistan]

Indeed.

Unfortunately, that is no longer the case. We've become far more Balkanized in recent decades.

Peak unity seemed to strongly correlate with the period of when we shut off the borders from 1924 to 1965.

Of course.

[Nova Cyberia]

Indeed.

Unfortunately, that is no longer the case. We've become far more Balkanized in recent decades.

Peak unity seemed to strongly correlate with the period of when we shut off the borders from 1924 to 1965.

I'm sure it's a mystery as to why that is.

[Vassenor]

Meanwhile, in reality...

I'm sure the working class of America absolutely love being told their life experiences are not "reality".

You "don't particularly like Trump" but you're more than happy to parrot his rhetoric even when it blatantly conflicts with reality. You bury your head in the sand just to claim that "I don't see where the idea he is racist, homophobic, etc. is coming from". So no, I'm not sure you're talking about the life experiences of the American working class so much as what Trump wants you to think those experiences are.

[Nova Cyberia]

Indeed.

Unfortunately, that is no longer the case. We've become far more Balkanized in recent decades.

You think it was possible because America was poor. Elites and people in economic and cultural centers won't ever think like people who have no outside contact.

In the age of phones and internet literally anyone can have outside contact.

[EastKekistan]

Peak unity seemed to strongly correlate with the period of when we shut off the borders from 1924 to 1965.

I'm sure it's a mystery as to why that is.

It isn't. Asabiyyah is boosted by isolation.

[Tombradyonia]

Peak unity seemed to strongly correlate with the period of when we shut off the borders from 1924 to 1965.

Of course.

Which also correlates with the period where conservative dominated southern state governments outright denied many of their citizens basic civil and voting rights.

Such "unity".

[EastKekistan]

You think it was possible because America was poor. Elites and people in economic and cultural centers won't ever think like people who have no outside contact.

In the age of phones and internet literally anyone can have outside contact.

Right. This is a reason why asabiyyah rapidly declined. Asabiyyah is a double-edged sword. It is detrimental to economic and scientific progress but beneficial to the military.

[EastKekistan]

Of course.

Which also correlates with the period where conservative dominated southern state governments outright denied many of their citizens basic civil and voting rights.

Such "unity".

That's the only way to maintain a republic.

[Nova Cyberia]

In the age of phones and internet literally anyone can have outside contact.

Right. This is a reason why asabiyyah rapidly declined.

Just what the fuck are you talking about?

[Liriena]

Meanwhile, in reality...

I'm sure the working class of America absolutely love being told their life experiences are not "reality".

Who declared you the singular embodiment of the American working class?

[Kvatchdom]

Which also correlates with the period where conservative dominated southern state governments outright denied many of their citizens basic civil and voting rights.

Such "unity".

That's the only way to maintain a republic.

What the fuck?

[EastKekistan]

Right. This is a reason why asabiyyah rapidly declined.

Just what the fuck are you talking about?

Social unity rapidly declined. "Asabiyyah" is an NRx/Ibn Khaldun term.

National myths require lack of contact with foreigners to sustain. Otherwise it is easy to see that everyone outside country A doesn't believe in X, Y and Z hence X, Y and Z are probably nonsense. A can be any nation from PRC to America.

[Kowani]

Indeed.

Unfortunately, that is no longer the case. We've become far more Balkanized in recent decades.

Peak unity seemed to strongly correlate with the period of when we shut off the borders from 1924 to 1965.

Perhaps because the country was focused on bigger things? You know, the Depression, WWII, the New Deal, the Civil Rights movement (which was divisive as fuck, by the way)

[EastKekistan]

Peak unity seemed to strongly correlate with the period of when we shut off the borders from 1924 to 1965.

Perhaps because the country was focused on bigger things? You know, the Depression, WWII, the New Deal, the Civil Rights movement (which was divisive as fuck, by the way)

I think it is due to isolation and wars. Warfare boosts asabiyyah.

[Kowani]

Perhaps because the country was focused on bigger things? You know, the Depression, WWII, the New Deal, the Civil Rights movement (which was divisive as fuck, by the way)

I think it is due to isolation and wars.

And unsurprisingly, you’d be wrong. Like you’ve been in every single one of your attempts to diagnose Western society with a fundamental weakness.

[Tombradyonia]

That's the only way to maintain a republic.

What the fuck?

Well, at least he's open about it.

Bet he wouldn't like it if it were conservatives that were denied the vote for, say, a hundred years or so. Considering the destruction and misery conservatives caused throughout the ages it might not be such a bad idea.

Slavery, colonization, allowing Lenin to travel by train to Petrograd, supporting Hitler's rise to power etc... all things conservatives did. It's almost ironical that the only reason Lenin and company ever got to power is because desperate German conservatives saw Lenin as a tool to help them win WW1. That sure ended up backfiring spectacularly. The world would have been a lot better off if Lenin and Stalin had died in exile.

[Kvatchdom]

What the fuck?

Well, at least he's open about it.

Bet he wouldn't like it if it were conservatives that were denied the vote for, say, a hundred years or so. Considering the destruction and misery conservatives caused throughout the ages it might not be such a bad idea.

Slavery, colonization, allowing Lenin to travel by train to Petrograd, supporting Hitler's rise to power etc... all things conservatives did. It's almost ironical that the only reason Lenin and company ever got to power is because desperate German conservatives saw Lenin as a tool to help them win WW1. That sure ended up backfiring spectacularly. The world would have been a lot better off if Lenin and Stalin had died in exile.

Yeah that's a very brazen attack against the concept of a free nation. And in Germany it was even very specifically establishment conservatives and the centre that aided Hitler.

And eh, I doubt Lenin would've died in exile. The Revolution against the Tzar wouldve happened one way or another.

[EastKekistan]

That's the only way to maintain a republic.

What the fuck?

You can either disenfranchise blacks or disenfranchise southern whites. A republic requires asabiyyah to sustain. This requires some form of homogeneity.

White Nationalism works because at least people have some (imprecise) ideas about who whites are. Since different white ethnic groups intermarry extensively in the diaspora I think it is fair to consider diaspora whites an ethnic group. So just like Germany, Japan and Israel White America should be able to work unlike Yugoslavia.

The post-1965 consensus is weird because it is not clear who Americans are. America isn't a religion or ideology unlike Communism. So what is it? It isn't even a "let's get rich lol" nation like Singapore because there is Detroit in America which isn't present in.Singapore.

[EastKekistan]

I think it is due to isolation and wars.

And unsurprisingly, you’d be wrong. Like you’ve been in every single one of your attempts to diagnose Western society with a fundamental weakness.

What weakness?

[Liriena]

Rashida Talib has a more foul mouth than Trump

Cursing and racism are not equivalent.

and has actually advocated for violence

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AOC is an airhead

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and is out of touch with her district

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and Ilhan Omar is a pez dispenser for antisemitism and hate against America.

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They are terrible people compared to Trump.

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Specially when it looks like the worst thing you can say about these women is that they say mean things and one of them is an "airhead". Meanwhile, Trump was already infamous for engaging in housing discrimination and sexually predatory behaviour, racist defamation against the Central Park five and Obama, and defrauding people with stuff like his fake university before he became president.

So yeah. I care zero percent what Trump has to say about the lot of them.

Yet here you are, commenting about them and making excuses on Trump's behalf.

they are batshit insane and need to be stripped of their party membership and shunned in congress.

[citation needed]

Where did you get your "batshit insane" diagnosis from?

It also makes perfect sense to suggest that people who migrated to a better country go back to their country of origin and help the people they are related to by blood, their family and extended family, and their friends and neighbors.

Except all but one of these congresswomen are American and have their blood, their families and extended families there. And Omar is an American citizen who ran for office in the United States, which I'd argue makes it quite clear that she thinks of the United States as her home, not Somalia.

So, yeah, the thing you say after that bit?

Whatever connotations you are referring to are absolutely not racist

It's just pure gaslighting bullshit. And these women, even if their words hate your feefees, have every right as Americans to make it their purpose to improve the lives of their fellow Americans as elected representatives.

I have like 50% English heritage, and I would have no shame telling an English migrant who became my political rival "go back across the pond you redcoat and fix the problems with your own country"

And that would still be bigoted and stupid. If the English migrant is your political rival in the United States, it's because they consider the United States their home and their goal is, ostensibly, to make life in the United States better. Telling them to "go back" to their birthplace is just a petty, pathetic ad hom.

Trump does this to literally all of his political opponents, regardless of their race.

Yes, Trump is not just a racist piece of shit. He's a piece of shit in general. Good observation.

Look, I don't particularly like Trump.

Hard to believe you after you dedicated some looooong paragraphs to making excuses for him.

[ECKU]

I was gonna say "are you effing serious lmbo" but actually I'm not that surprised.

A large number of "Americans" don't even identify with the Revolutionary fellas, so it's not shocking people would be apathetic at best on the Civil War.

I don't identify with them either. I'm still an American, not an "American"

We do not have a nation.

How are you defining "nation"?

The US is a multiethnic

True

polyglot

More than 60 million Americans — nearly 20% — now speak a language other than English at home, according to the most recent census data.

stranger-in-a-stranger land

I'm pretty sure most Americans were born here and know a fair amount of people.

atomized

materialist empire.

I waver between "materialist" being true or false.

You mean the parts of America where most people live and basically set the cultural zeitgeist? Yeah, they're atomized, soulless imperial outposts.

Detroit? It is not an imperial outpost. Instead it is basically Kinshasa transplanted to North America.

Most Detrioters aren't from Kinshasa last I checked.

Well, they are fairly soulless a lot of the time.

You can't have a sense of rootedness and identity when everyone is from somewhere else and has no social bonds because they don't have anything in common with those around them.

If you can't make friends with different people that your problem.

[Kvatchdom]

What the fuck?

You can either disenfranchise blacks or disenfranchise southern whites. A republic requires asabiyyah to sustain. This requires some form of homogeneity.

White Nationalism works because at least people have some (imprecise) ideas about who whites are. Since different white ethnic groups intermarry extensively in the diaspora I think it is fair to consider diaspora whites an ethnic group. So just like Germany, Japan and Israel White America should be able to work unlike Yugoslavia.

The post-1965 consensus is weird because it is not clear who Americans are. America isn't a religion or ideology unlike Communism. So what is it? It isn't even a "let's get rich lol" nation like Singapore.

America isn't the only republic in the world, nor is it the most republic-y of them all. If it takes actual racism to upkeep a nation, that nation has no right to exist.

Singapore is also a republic. Which is close to 80% non native cultures.

[EastKekistan]

You can either disenfranchise blacks or disenfranchise southern whites. A republic requires asabiyyah to sustain. This requires some form of homogeneity.

White Nationalism works because at least people have some (imprecise) ideas about who whites are. Since different white ethnic groups intermarry extensively in the diaspora I think it is fair to consider diaspora whites an ethnic group. So just like Germany, Japan and Israel White America should be able to work unlike Yugoslavia.

The post-1965 consensus is weird because it is not clear who Americans are. America isn't a religion or ideology unlike Communism. So what is it? It isn't even a "let's get rich lol" nation like Singapore.

America isn't the only republic in the world, nor is it the most republic-y of them all. If it takes actual racism to upkeep a nation, that nation has no right to exist.

Singapore is also a republic. Which is close to 80% non native cultures.

It takes tribalism to sustain any republic from Athens to France. In order to have a non-racist republic we have to have a pan-human identity and practice speciesism. Well, we can do that once we meet aliens.

[ECKU]

America isn't the only republic in the world, nor is it the most republic-y of them all. If it takes actual racism to upkeep a nation, that nation has no right to exist.

Singapore is also a republic. Which is close to 80% non native cultures.

It takes tribalism to sustain any republic from Athens to France. In order to have a non-racist republic we have to have a pan-human identity and practice speciesism. Well, we can do that once we meet aliens.

You're wrong.