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Postby Nova Cyberia » Mon Jul 15, 2019 12:56 pm

Duvniask wrote:
Nova Cyberia wrote:They're there to represent the American people.

They're elected to represent a constituency and to use the powers vested in them for the advancement of political aims. They're not in Congress to suck the dick of patriotism and talk endlessly about how much they love the country and how great it is and blah blah blah, although some politicians do that, usually out of opportunism.

Yes, and she does such a wonderful job representing her constituency by shitting all over the very country they reside in. What a wonderful job she's done.

Many Americans, believe it or not, do not hate their own country.

Many Americans are stupidly in love with their own country and thus blind to its faults.

You know, recognizing the faults in something is part of loving it.

And then there are people like Omar who are purely interested in its faults.

Besides being far-left

"Far-left"

a liar, and someone who broke campaign finance law,

In terms of what you linked to, the former is pretty cringy and bad, but the latter is some weak sauce shit; it seems more like an accounting problem than anything serious. If you held every politician to this standard, Ilhan Omar should probably be the least of your concern.

Ah, yes. The deflector shield has been raised once.

"All politicians suck so why are so you mad at this one sucking?"

she also hates my country.

I often feel inclined to hate your country too, to be quite honest with you.

Really? Because I live here and it seems like a fairly decent country.

Your personal experience is nothing compared to the millions upon millions of people America has put under its foot, both past and present; the regimes (including democratic ones) toppled, the American-backed dictatorships, the death squads, the wars, all of it. And at home, millions of people in poverty, people bankrupted by medical bills, high rent, etc. etc. I could go on.

Honestly, judging by the amount of commies here we really didn't topple enough governments, tbh.
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Postby Knask » Mon Jul 15, 2019 12:56 pm

ECKU wrote:Who's "she"?

The woman.

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Postby Scomagia » Mon Jul 15, 2019 12:56 pm

Liriena wrote:
Scomagia wrote:Not what I said. It doesn't matter how constructive the criticism is when you never stop criticising long enough to gove real praise.

So your argument is that they haven't given enough praise to the United States? Alright. How did you objectively measure this?

I measure it by them only having negative shit to say. Anytime I see something from these people it's negative.

Except AOC did something useful in pushing for psychedelic reform. So, there's that in her favor.
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Postby ECKU » Mon Jul 15, 2019 12:56 pm

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Nova Cyberia wrote:He's a commie and you're a radical Muslim so... no... there isn't.

Ok seppo

You're not actually a commie are you?
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Postby Duvniask » Mon Jul 15, 2019 12:56 pm

Liriena wrote:
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We live in a world where not putting a flag on a shoe is hating a country. The term has already lost all meaning anyway.

The fact that American nationalism, in practice, is basically a really bizarre religion built around empty abstractions and the idolatry of shallow symbols is pretty funny, actually.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/American_civil_religion

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Postby EastKekistan » Mon Jul 15, 2019 12:57 pm

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Liriena wrote:You forgot the part where those women follow their criticism of their beloved country with ideas on how to make it better.

But I guess constructive criticism of the things deeply wrong about one's country is not kosher.


If politicians cannot even agree on being part of the same nation (the same historical and cultural unit), then the country is already lost.

Right for republics.
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Postby Bear Stearns » Mon Jul 15, 2019 12:57 pm

Questions of nationality feeling and loyalty would be solved by breaking up the United States in culturally homogeneous territories. Everyone's happy and can go on about their lives.
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Postby Kvatchdom » Mon Jul 15, 2019 12:57 pm

ECKU wrote:Who's "she"?

Ilhan Omar
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Postby EastKekistan » Mon Jul 15, 2019 12:57 pm

Bear Stearns wrote:Questions of nationality feeling and loyalty would be solved by breaking up the United States in culturally homogeneous territories. Everyone's happy and can go on about their lives.

Uh..not really. The white/Arab/etc vs black conflict will go on.

Any form of separation is likely to lead to further impoverishment of blacks and then they will decry separation as an WN plot.
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Postby ECKU » Mon Jul 15, 2019 12:58 pm

Bear Stearns wrote:Questions of nationality feeling and loyalty would be solved by breaking up the United States in culturally homogeneous territories. Everyone's happy and can go on about their lives.

If we do that we should give the land back to the Native Americans.
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Postby Liriena » Mon Jul 15, 2019 12:58 pm

You gotta love how the NSG right-wing's attempt to justify Trump's blatant racism against these congresswomen is just an unironic plagiarism of these memes:
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Postby Kvatchdom » Mon Jul 15, 2019 12:58 pm

ECKU wrote:
Kvatchdom wrote:Ok seppo

You're not actually a commie are you?

Nah, though I do hold communist writers in high regard.
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Postby Scomagia » Mon Jul 15, 2019 12:58 pm

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Kvatchdom wrote:Your responses to her hurting your feelings don't matter, her policy does.

BUT SHE'S SO MEAN AND NEGATIVE ABOUT IT!!!!! SHE HATES MURRIKA!!

Do you ever get tired of being obnoxious? I'm trying to discuss things in good faith and the best you can manage is to post this crap. How is this meant to facilitate good faith discussion?
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Postby Bear Stearns » Mon Jul 15, 2019 12:58 pm

Liriena wrote:
Vassenor wrote:
We live in a world where not putting a flag on a shoe is hating a country. The term has already lost all meaning anyway.

The fact that American nationalism, in practice, is basically a really bizarre religion built around empty abstractions and the idolatry of shallow symbols is pretty funny, actually.


Americanness, as it has existed since the end of World War II, is very much a proposition nation (much like the so-called "Soviet" or Yugoslav nationalities).

Outside of these symbols and maybe the English language (increasingly less so), what common heritage or culture is there to bind US citizens together?
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Postby ECKU » Mon Jul 15, 2019 12:59 pm

Kvatchdom wrote:
ECKU wrote:You're not actually a commie are you?

Nah, though I do hold communist writers in high regard.

Welp, time to edit that post again.
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Postby Nova Cyberia » Mon Jul 15, 2019 12:59 pm

Scomagia wrote:
Liriena wrote:BUT SHE'S SO MEAN AND NEGATIVE ABOUT IT!!!!! SHE HATES MURRIKA!!

Do you ever get tired of being obnoxious? I'm trying to discuss things in good faith and the best you can manage is to post this crap. How is this meant to facilitate good faith discussion?

It isn't. That's the point.
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Postby Liriena » Mon Jul 15, 2019 12:59 pm

Scomagia wrote:
Liriena wrote:So your argument is that they haven't given enough praise to the United States? Alright. How did you objectively measure this?

I measure it by them only having negative shit to say. Anytime I see something from these people it's negative.

Oh, so you didn't actually try to do anything close to get a reliable sample. Just went by what you passively encountered from them.
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Postby Page » Mon Jul 15, 2019 12:59 pm

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Vassenor wrote:
If by "hates [your] country" you mean "called out systemic issues with the country and called for them to be fixed".

No, I think he's saying that only shitting on the country calls into question how much you actually care for it. If your whole platform is basically, "this place is awful!" then it's not a stretch to say you hate the country.


To rephrase what I said earlier, if a doctor diagnoses a patient with cancer and honestly tells the patient that they are severely ill, that doesn't mean the doctor hates the patient.
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Postby Nova Cyberia » Mon Jul 15, 2019 12:59 pm

ECKU wrote:
Kvatchdom wrote:Nah, though I do hold communist writers in high regard.

Welp, time to edit that post again.

I'm so glad that I can bring people together.
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Postby Bear Stearns » Mon Jul 15, 2019 12:59 pm

ECKU wrote:
Bear Stearns wrote:Questions of nationality feeling and loyalty would be solved by breaking up the United States in culturally homogeneous territories. Everyone's happy and can go on about their lives.

If we do that we should give the land back to the Native Americans.


They'd likely get some land.
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Postby Nova Cyberia » Mon Jul 15, 2019 1:00 pm

Page wrote:
Scomagia wrote:No, I think he's saying that only shitting on the country calls into question how much you actually care for it. If your whole platform is basically, "this place is awful!" then it's not a stretch to say you hate the country.


To rephrase what I said earlier, if a doctor diagnoses a patient with cancer and honestly tells the patient that they are severely ill, that doesn't mean the doctor hates the patient.

Yeah, but if the doctor tells them "you're a violent oppressor and your very existence is built upon racism" then he probably does hate you.
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Postby Scomagia » Mon Jul 15, 2019 1:00 pm

Liriena wrote:
Scomagia wrote:I measure it by them only having negative shit to say. Anytime I see something from these people it's negative.

Oh, so you didn't actually try to do anything close to get a reliable sample. Just went by what you passively encountered from them.

I never claimed differently. For fuck's sake, I'm not running a goddamn tweet by tweet analysis.
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Postby Necroghastia » Mon Jul 15, 2019 1:01 pm

"They're so meaaaan about it"

y'all have never heard the full quote of "my country right or wrong" huh
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Postby ECKU » Mon Jul 15, 2019 1:01 pm

Liriena wrote:You gotta love how the NSG right-wing's attempt to justify Trump's blatant racism against these congresswomen is just an unironic plagiarism of these memes:

Ngl this is pretty funny. Even though I'm a right-winger who opposes Trump
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