Did you celebrate Nathan Bedford Forrest Day?

[ECKU]

Not from Tennessee, but he was an important figure in the state. Hope everyone had a great NBF day.

Is this a serious post or sarcasm?

[Arlenton]

Not from Tennessee, but he was an important figure in the state. Hope everyone had a great NBF day.

Is this a serious post or sarcasm?

100% serious.

[Highever]

Not from Tennessee, but he was an important figure in the state. Hope everyone had a great NBF day.

Important to the state in that he helped establish the Klan and the murder of Freedman soldiers. What a noble man to celebrate.

[Salandriagado]

From some stupid ba reason of "tHeY'rE sTiLl AmErIcAnS!1!1!"

This begs the question, do people who take up arms against the US government forfeit their status as Americans and should therefore be treated as foreign combatants?

There's a problem with this (besides it being authoritarian as fuck). By treating the rebels as foreigners, you are essentially recognizing them as a separate nation, which is what they want. And if they are a foreign nation, then you have no right to conquer them and forcibly keep them in your country.

However, if you treat them as still Americans, then they are still part of your country and the government still has jurisdiction over them.

Declaring yourself not to be a citizen of a country qualifies as resigning your citizenship in many countries. [The US isn't generally one of them, because they like extracting ridiculous fees out of people for getting rid of your citizenship]. So recognising them as foreign is not the same as recognising the country: they've just declared themselves not to be citizens any more, and you made them so. That doesn't mean that they get to take their land with them: that's still your sovereign territory. It just makes them illegal immigrants.

[Salandriagado]

I've never been to one, nor do I plan to do so. They're trying to shove their agenda down my throat (besides the chicken). I don't go to chicken restaurants in order for them to be able to tell me about their favorite imaginary friend.

Is Chick-fil-A really trying to shove their owner's beliefs down your throat? If you go into a restaurant, you will see they are secular and apolitical.

Like when you go there do you tremble in fear of a revivalist preacher standing next to you in line reading from Leviticus?

To be fair, there are much better reasons not to go there, starting with the quality of the food.

[The Derpy Democratic Republic Of Herp]

Not from Tennessee, but he was an important figure in the state. Hope everyone had a great NBF day.

Very important traitor and terrorist leader.

[Salandriagado]

Not from Tennessee, but he was an important figure in the state. Hope everyone had a great NBF day.

Very important traitor and terrorist leader.

We could take the Guy Fawkes approach to it, and burn effigies of him to celebrate his death.

[ECKU]

Very important traitor and terrorist leader.

We could take the Guy Fawkes approach to it, and burn effigies of him to celebrate his death.

Well he may have renounced his former beliefs. So if his renunciation was sincere then he's alright I guess.

[Fartsniffage]

Very important traitor and terrorist leader.

We could take the Guy Fawkes approach to it, and burn effigies of him to celebrate his death.

Any excuse for fireworks is a grand idea.

[Bear Stearns]

Very important traitor and terrorist leader.

We could take the Guy Fawkes approach to it, and burn effigies of him to celebrate his death.

I would love it if the US burned effigies of Catholics more often.

[Highever]

We could take the Guy Fawkes approach to it, and burn effigies of him to celebrate his death.

Well he may have renounced his former beliefs. So if his renunciation was sincere then he's alright I guess.

Having an alleged change of heart at the very end of his life fter spending the rest of it the way he did hardly makes him "alright".

[Ethel mermania]

Is Chick-fil-A really trying to shove their owner's beliefs down your throat? If you go into a restaurant, you will see they are secular and apolitical.

Like when you go there do you tremble in fear of a revivalist preacher standing next to you in line reading from Leviticus?

To be fair, there are much better reasons not to go there, starting with the quality of the food.

Their waffle fries arent bad.

[Duhon]

Do it again, Uncle Billy!

I really shouldn't say it but it's almost a shame the southerners didn't try to hold out for another month or two. Uncle Billy could have given Virginia the same treatment that Georgia and South Carolina got. I dare say the traitors got off light. In my opinion the entire political leadership, all the senior generals and state government leaders should have been hanged.

Got off light? They lost the war but not the cause, not for another eighty years and who knows how many malformed, misspent lives.

Like, seriously: how many WEB DuBoises, Alain Lockes, George Washington Carvers, etc etc, would've emerged from out of the woodwork had it not been for the fuckery that was Jim Crow?

[Farnhamia]

I really shouldn't say it but it's almost a shame the southerners didn't try to hold out for another month or two. Uncle Billy could have given Virginia the same treatment that Georgia and South Carolina got. I dare say the traitors got off light. In my opinion the entire political leadership, all the senior generals and state government leaders should have been hanged.

Got off light? They lost the war but not the cause, not for another eighty years and who knows how many malformed, misspent lives.

Like, seriously: how many WEB DuBoises, Alain Lockes, George Washington Carvers, etc etc, would've emerged from out of the woodwork had it not been for the fuckery that was Jim Crow?

You could argue that Jim Crow separated the wheat from the chaff.

[Kowani]

Got off light? They lost the war but not the cause, not for another eighty years and who knows how many malformed, misspent lives.

Like, seriously: how many WEB DuBoises, Alain Lockes, George Washington Carvers, etc etc, would've emerged from out of the woodwork had it not been for the fuckery that was Jim Crow?

You could argue that Jim Crow separated the wheat from the chaff.

Yes. Because little children whose parents were murdered and economic opportunity denied them are definitely “the chaff.”

[Farnhamia]

You could argue that Jim Crow separated the wheat from the chaff.

Yes. Because little children whose parents were murdered and economic opportunity denied them are definitely “the chaff.”

I didn't say I would argue that but I can see people making that argument.

[Duhon]

Got off light? They lost the war but not the cause, not for another eighty years and who knows how many malformed, misspent lives.

Like, seriously: how many WEB DuBoises, Alain Lockes, George Washington Carvers, etc etc, would've emerged from out of the woodwork had it not been for the fuckery that was Jim Crow?

You could argue that Jim Crow separated the wheat from the chaff.

... wow, this is fucking callous, yo

[Farnhamia]

You could argue that Jim Crow separated the wheat from the chaff.

... wow, this is fucking callous, yo

Yo ...

[Ifreann]

Seeing that it put the final nail in the coffin for the Confederacy seems like it was a good idea.

We defeated the Confederacy well enough without having to literally turn the South into a Pale of Settlement or Ulster.

But I thought you were an Anglo-Saxon democracy?

[Duhon]

Seeing that it put the final nail in the coffin for the Confederacy seems like it was a good idea.

We defeated the Confederacy well enough without having to literally turn the South into a Pale of Settlement or Ulster.

Yeah, instead the North gave in to the South and in course not only failed to stamp out bigotry but gave form to its own unique systems of recial prejudice.

But neither the Pale nor Ulster, so that's cool as fuck, yo.

[Nordengrund]

Forrest repended his views later in life coming to fully support negro suffrage and championed the admission of a black kid into law school. So I believe that repentance is sincere.

I wonder if anyone else yet mentioned that.

I kind of feel in the case of forrest it is too little to late. I do not believe we should honor the man.

I think it seemed sincere for the most part, but he did deny ever being a part of the Klan, which seems like a lie to me.

[The Sherpa Empire]

Do it again, Uncle Billy!

I really shouldn't say it but it's almost a shame the southerners didn't try to hold out for another month or two. Uncle Billy could have given Virginia the same treatment that Georgia and South Carolina got. I dare say the traitors got off light. In my opinion the entire political leadership, all the senior generals and state government leaders should have been hanged.

Virginia already got trashed because of all the fighting there between Lee and various Union generals.

[Ohioan Territory]

I don't give a shit how great of a general he was or how much he cared about his home state. He fought for the Confederacy's right to uphold slavery and was the first Grand Wizard of the Ku Klux Klan. Any commemoration of Forrest's belongs in history books and museums.

[Nordengrund]

In a negative manner.

I wouldn't be opposed to not celebrating him.

He was a corrupt president, once again a murderer, and champion/prosecutor/purveyor of the Indian removal act, which had its own death count.

Would you be opposed to some holier-than-thou people who weren't even from where you live said you were racist for celebrating him though?

Those holier-than-thou people is probably why we have Trump.

[Neanderthaland]

Very important traitor and terrorist leader.

We could take the Guy Fawkes approach to it, and burn effigies of him to celebrate his death.

That would only turn him into a cool vigilante type played by Hugo Weaving.