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I most certainly..

..did! He was a fine military leader and gentleman of the South
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..did! It's the law so I had to
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1%
..did not! I refuse to celebrate this man
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..did not! I'm not even from Tennessee
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26%
..did!..and I'm not even from Tennessee
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3%
..think we should invade the South again
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..think idpol.. if people want to celebrate the 1st Grandmaster of the KKK then so be it
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..think we should click more polls on the subject
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Postby Chan Island » Wed Jul 17, 2019 5:51 am

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Chan Island wrote:Celebrate who?

*wikis*

Screw Tennessee for trying to celebrate such a man. Screw the Confederacy. Down with the traitors, up with the stars! Four score and 7 years ago...

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While we were marching through Georgia.


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Postby ECKU » Wed Jul 17, 2019 5:51 am

Munkcestrian Republic wrote:
ECKU wrote:How did you get revived? How you been?

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Did you eventually get DEATed for the slavery rape thing or something else?

I can't get DEATed for something I don't support.
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Postby Cynereth » Wed Jul 17, 2019 6:27 am

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I really shouldn't say it but it's almost a shame the southerners didn't try to hold out for another month or two. Uncle Billy could have given Virginia the same treatment that Georgia and South Carolina got. I dare say the traitors got off light. In my opinion the entire political leadership, all the senior generals and state government leaders should have been hanged.

Agreed.

And left there to rot on the gallows.


I would imagine the whole "let's end this war, finally" business had something to do with them abstaining. Hanging Confederate generals and politicians might have satisfied the North's desire for revenge, but it probably would've triggered far more guerrilla violence in the southern states and led to a much bloodier post-war period. Reintegrating rebellious states is a bit of a different business from conquering a foreign nation after a successful campaign.
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Postby Ethel mermania » Wed Jul 17, 2019 8:15 am

Cynereth wrote:
The Batorys wrote:Agreed.

And left there to rot on the gallows.


I would imagine the whole "let's end this war, finally" business had something to do with them abstaining. Hanging Confederate generals and politicians might have satisfied the North's desire for revenge, but it probably would've triggered far more guerrilla violence in the southern states and led to a much bloodier post-war period. Reintegrating rebellious states is a bit of a different business from conquering a foreign nation after a successful campaign.


Grant wanted the army of the Potomac to finish off lee for political reasons.

Lincoln was of the thought to "let them up easy", his terms would have been fairly lenient with the south. Now how he would have dealt with reconstruction as it occured is a very different question, I think he would have put down the klan very hard as he did not want the rights of the negro rolled back.

On thing not mentioned, is that right before the klan was disbanded, they were about to be seriously smushed by the Tennessee. State milita. Here is a little background on Gov. Brownlow


https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/William ... y_Brownlow
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Postby EastKekistan » Wed Jul 17, 2019 9:17 am

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There is a serious issue with traditional racial classification, namely blacks shouldn't be a single race. Evolutionarily and genetically this is a very ridiculous claim.


No it isn't. You only clean lines when interbreeding is impossible (or impractical). That is clearly not the case for humans, and so races do not exist.

Then clines. It's just a matter of biological vs colloquial wording disparity. The concept still remains.
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Postby Nordengrund » Wed Jul 17, 2019 9:45 am

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Elgin Mills wrote:Removing statues is not censorship, because statues aren't speech. It's funny how no-one ever gets mad about Lenin statues getting torn down in 1991, but as soon as you go after our favorite band of Gentleman Slavers...

We literally blew up up Germany's big swastika sculptures when we conquered it in WW2.

I think we need to do more to remind the south that they lost and were conquered.


Leaving up statues is a good way of doing that. Removing all Confederate images would make people let go of the past and move on, and we certainly don't want that.
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Postby Heloin » Wed Jul 17, 2019 9:49 am

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The Batorys wrote:We literally blew up up Germany's big swastika sculptures when we conquered it in WW2.

I think we need to do more to remind the south that they lost and were conquered.


Leaving up statues is a good way of doing that. Removing all Confederate images would make people let go of the past and move on, and we certainly don't want that.

Remove Confederate monuments and replace them with statues of Sherman.

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Postby EastKekistan » Wed Jul 17, 2019 9:53 am

Heloin wrote:
Nordengrund wrote:
Leaving up statues is a good way of doing that. Removing all Confederate images would make people let go of the past and move on, and we certainly don't want that.

Remove Confederate monuments and replace them with statues of Sherman.


What's your opinion on statues of Ian Smith?
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Postby Ifreann » Wed Jul 17, 2019 9:54 am

Heloin wrote:
Nordengrund wrote:
Leaving up statues is a good way of doing that. Removing all Confederate images would make people let go of the past and move on, and we certainly don't want that.

Remove Confederate monuments and replace them with statues of Sherman.

Put up statues of slaves breaking their chains.
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Postby Upper Secundus » Wed Jul 17, 2019 9:57 am

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Postby Heloin » Wed Jul 17, 2019 10:38 am

EastKekistan wrote:
Heloin wrote:Remove Confederate monuments and replace them with statues of Sherman.


What's your opinion on statues of Ian Smith?

Complicated.

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Postby Salandriagado » Wed Jul 17, 2019 10:42 am

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No it isn't. You only clean lines when interbreeding is impossible (or impractical). That is clearly not the case for humans, and so races do not exist.

Then clines. It's just a matter of biological vs colloquial wording disparity. The concept still remains.


No, it's not a matter of terminology: you're just wrong.
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Postby Ethel mermania » Wed Jul 17, 2019 10:48 am

Heloin wrote:
Nordengrund wrote:
Leaving up statues is a good way of doing that. Removing all Confederate images would make people let go of the past and move on, and we certainly don't want that.

Remove Confederate monuments and replace them with statues of Sherman.


Agreed

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Postby EastKekistan » Wed Jul 17, 2019 10:54 am

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EastKekistan wrote:Then clines. It's just a matter of biological vs colloquial wording disparity. The concept still remains.


No, it's not a matter of terminology: you're just wrong.


How? Do you think genetic differences within humanity do not exist or?
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Postby Reichsland » Wed Jul 17, 2019 11:06 am

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I am from TN, and while I acknowledge the fact that the man was a military genius in the use of cavalry, it is absolutely unwarranted that we even have a "holiday" to celebrate him.

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Postby Farnhamia » Wed Jul 17, 2019 11:08 am

Reichsland wrote:Just reactivated my account...Sorry for jumping in late...

I am from TN, and while I acknowledge the fact that the man was a military genius in the use of cavalry, it is absolutely unwarranted that we even have a "holiday" to celebrate him.

REPEAL THE LAW!

Which I believe the governor said he was going to try to do, once his eyebrows grow back after being burned off by the backlash.
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Postby Ethel mermania » Wed Jul 17, 2019 12:28 pm

Farnhamia wrote:
Reichsland wrote:Just reactivated my account...Sorry for jumping in late...

I am from TN, and while I acknowledge the fact that the man was a military genius in the use of cavalry, it is absolutely unwarranted that we even have a "holiday" to celebrate him.

REPEAL THE LAW!

Which I believe the governor said he was going to try to do, once his eyebrows grow back after being burned off by the backlash.


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>No poll option for changing it to Hasselhoff Day
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Postby Salandriagado » Wed Jul 17, 2019 3:54 pm

EastKekistan wrote:
Salandriagado wrote:
No, it's not a matter of terminology: you're just wrong.


How? Do you think genetic differences within humanity do not exist or?


No, I think that they don't amount to separation into distinct groups.
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Postby The South Falls » Wed Jul 17, 2019 3:56 pm

Cekoviu wrote:>No poll option for changing it to Hasselhoff Day
Also, yes, it is bad.

What about ram ranch day?
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Postby EastKekistan » Wed Jul 17, 2019 3:56 pm

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EastKekistan wrote:
How? Do you think genetic differences within humanity do not exist or?


No, I think that they don't amount to separation into distinct groups.


OK. Now we can discuss.

What do you think articles like https://hereditasjournal.biomedcentral. ... on-biology are about? Why can 23andme figure out one's ancestry?
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Postby Salandriagado » Wed Jul 17, 2019 3:58 pm

EastKekistan wrote:
Salandriagado wrote:
No, I think that they don't amount to separation into distinct groups.


OK. Now we can discuss.

What do you think articles like https://hereditasjournal.biomedcentral. ... on-biology are about?


Variations in basically-irrelevant genetic markers.

Why can 23andme figure out one's ancestry?


They mostly can't. They can make educated guesses based on the presence or absence of various minor genetic markers.
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Notice that the link is to the notes from a university course on probability. You clearly have nothing beyond the most absurdly simplistic understanding of the subject.
By choosing 1, you no longer have 0 probability of choosing 1. End of subject.

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Postby Cekoviu » Wed Jul 17, 2019 3:59 pm

EastKekistan wrote:
Salandriagado wrote:
No, I think that they don't amount to separation into distinct groups.


OK. Now we can discuss.

What do you think articles like https://hereditasjournal.biomedcentral. ... on-biology are about? Why can 23andme figure out one's ancestry?

I really wish racialists would stop appropriating biological science - that does not at all mean what you think it means.
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Postby EastKekistan » Wed Jul 17, 2019 4:01 pm

Cekoviu wrote:
EastKekistan wrote:
OK. Now we can discuss.

What do you think articles like https://hereditasjournal.biomedcentral. ... on-biology are about? Why can 23andme figure out one's ancestry?

I really wish racialists would stop appropriating biological science - that does not at all mean what you think it means.

It's possible to determine one's racial (or clinal) background genetically. So clines of Homo sapiens are definitely a legitimate and scientific concept.
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