Did you celebrate Nathan Bedford Forrest Day?

[Araraukar]

No, because on July 13th I was celebrating my name day.
Also I'm not American.

[RiderSyl]

I live in Tennessee. Virtually nobody observed it. Most people didn't even realize it was a thing. Those that did just shook their heads at the Governer, and moved on with whatever was already going on in their lives with indifference.

There's no outrage, but there's no compliance either.

[Greater vakolicci haven]

No, because it isn't a thing in Scotland.

I don't think it should be repealed though, it's just a bit of cultural heritage.

[Kannap]

No, because it isn't a thing in Scotland.

I don't think it should be repealed though, it's just a bit of cultural heritage.

In the same way that lynchings and beating people to shit were cultural heritage, sure.

[Kernen]

Didn't General Forrest crucify captured black soldiers at Fort Pillow?

Fuck that guy. Being a good commander doesn't absolve you of war crimes.

[Adad Civilization]

Who?

Edit: Ah, he's a confederate jackass. Yeah, no.

[Heloin]

Probably a shitty idea to have a holiday for racists and founders of terrorist organisations.

[Salandriagado]

Probably a shitty idea to have a holiday for racists and founders of terrorist organisations.

"Traitors" is one that the US, in particular, should be rather careful about condemning. Stick to the whole "racist terrorist/war criminal" thing.

[Nordengrund]

Firstly, state law required the Governor to proclaim it Forrest Day.

Ok? There's a bunch of old state laws that aren't actually followed.

Secondly, Forrest did NOT create the Klan. His exact involvement in the organisation is unknown. He would later leave the organisation.

Did he regret joining it? And did he reject his racist views?

I think he did end up renouncing it and racist views, but he had also denied ever being apart of the KKK.

[Heloin]

Probably a shitty idea to have a holiday for racists and founders of terrorist organisations.

"Traitors" is one that the US, in particular, should be rather careful about condemning. Stick to the whole "racist terrorist/war criminal" thing.

Impressively speedy quote. Seeing that I changed my mind on the whole traitor thing in less then a few seconds but you still noticed that.

Still, a massive racist and war criminal. Probably best to just keep him to the history books and occasional documentary.

[Internationalist Bastard]

Required by law to recognize a holiday dedicated to a man there isn’t any real justification for celebrating
Nice

[Alien Overlord]

Forrest has been dead beyond recent memory-the KKK is a fragment of its former self and this holiday has absolutely no effect on anyone outside of Tennessee. Might i propose a revolutionary new idea? Let those in Tennessee celebrate whomever they want to celebrate and those from other states can mind their own damn business.

[Heloin]

Forrest has been dead beyond recent memory-the KKK is a fragment of its former self and this holiday has absolutely no effect on anyone outside of Tennessee. Might i propose a revolutionary new idea? Let those in Tennessee celebrate whomever they want to celebrate and those from other states can mind their own damn business.

Or Tennessee could not celebrate war criminals.

[Ifreann]

Forrest has been dead beyond recent memory-the KKK is a fragment of its former self and this holiday has absolutely no effect on anyone outside of Tennessee. Might i propose a revolutionary new idea? Let those in Tennessee celebrate whomever they want to celebrate and those from other states can mind their own damn business.

Counter-proposal: People who want to publicly celebrate those American traitors who fought for the institution of race-based chattel slavery are free to do so, and everyone else is free to criticise them.

[Kannap]

Forrest has been dead beyond recent memory-the KKK is a fragment of its former self and this holiday has absolutely no effect on anyone outside of Tennessee. Might i propose a revolutionary new idea? Let those in Tennessee celebrate whomever they want to celebrate and those from other states can mind their own damn business.

Counter-proposal: People who want to publicly celebrate those American traitors who fought for the institution of race-based chattel slavery are free to do so, and everyone else is free to criticise them.

I like the option behind door number 2, yes.

[Alien Overlord]

Forrest has been dead beyond recent memory-the KKK is a fragment of its former self and this holiday has absolutely no effect on anyone outside of Tennessee. Might i propose a revolutionary new idea? Let those in Tennessee celebrate whomever they want to celebrate and those from other states can mind their own damn business.

Or Tennessee could not celebrate war criminals.

If the people of Tennessee want to celebrate war criminals, let them celebrate war criminals. It's none of our business unless it actually turns into discrimination somehow, but as far as i can see it doesn't. It's a local tradition and we have no right to tell those living in Tennessee who they can celebrate and who they can't.

[Heloin]

Or Tennessee could not celebrate war criminals.

If the people of Tennessee want to celebrate war criminals, let them celebrate war criminals. It's none of our business unless it actually turns into discrimination somehow, but as far as i can see it doesn't. It's a local tradition and we have no right to tell those living in Tennessee who they can celebrate and who they can't.

Why are you trying to interfere in my business of telling the State of Tennessee to stop celebrating horrible people? How is bending over backwards for someone while telling another person to shut up the answer that you've decided is profound?

[Salandriagado]

Or Tennessee could not celebrate war criminals.

If the people of Tennessee want to celebrate war criminals, let them celebrate war criminals. It's none of our business unless it actually turns into discrimination somehow, but as far as i can see it doesn't. It's a local tradition and we have no right to tell those living in Tennessee who they can celebrate and who they can't.

The people? Sure, go for it, and we'll all laugh at how fucking stupid they are. The government? That's an entirely different thing.

[Alien Overlord]

Forrest has been dead beyond recent memory-the KKK is a fragment of its former self and this holiday has absolutely no effect on anyone outside of Tennessee. Might i propose a revolutionary new idea? Let those in Tennessee celebrate whomever they want to celebrate and those from other states can mind their own damn business.

Counter-proposal: People who want to publicly celebrate those American traitors who fought for the institution of race-based chattel slavery are free to do so, and everyone else is free to criticise them.

i completely agree, just so long as that criticism doesn't turn into action. Don't get me wrong, Forrest was a terrorist and a despicable human being-but people should have the freedom to celebrate him if that is truly what they want.

[Alien Overlord]

If the people of Tennessee want to celebrate war criminals, let them celebrate war criminals. It's none of our business unless it actually turns into discrimination somehow, but as far as i can see it doesn't. It's a local tradition and we have no right to tell those living in Tennessee who they can celebrate and who they can't.

Why are you trying to interfere in my business of telling the State of Tennessee to stop celebrating horrible people? How is bending over backwards for someone while telling another person to shut up the answer that you've decided is profound?

The state of Tennessee has the right to celebrate whomever it wants to. I'm not telling you to shut up, you are perfectly free to disagree and argue with me if you choose to.

[Salandriagado]

Why are you trying to interfere in my business of telling the State of Tennessee to stop celebrating horrible people? How is bending over backwards for someone while telling another person to shut up the answer that you've decided is profound?

The state of Tennessee has the right to celebrate whomever it wants to. I'm not telling you to shut up, you are perfectly free to disagree and argue with me if you choose to.

The people in the State of Tennessee, sure. The state government? Those don't have rights.

[Ifreann]

Counter-proposal: People who want to publicly celebrate those American traitors who fought for the institution of race-based chattel slavery are free to do so, and everyone else is free to criticise them.

i completely agree, just so long as that criticism doesn't turn into action. Don't get me wrong, Forrest was a terrorist and a despicable human being-but people should have the freedom to celebrate him if that is truly what they want.

Criticism is an action, and a perfectly acceptable one. There are a wide range of other acceptable actions people could take to express their disapproval of Nathan Bedford Forrest, or of Nathan Bedford Forrest Day. One action I'd recommend is repealing the law that creates that holiday.

[Heloin]

Why are you trying to interfere in my business of telling the State of Tennessee to stop celebrating horrible people? How is bending over backwards for someone while telling another person to shut up the answer that you've decided is profound?

The state of Tennessee has the right to celebrate whomever it wants to. I'm not telling you to shut up, you are perfectly free to disagree and argue with me if you choose to.

Yes you are.

Let those in Tennessee celebrate whomever they want to celebrate and those from other states can mind their own damn business.

[Alien Overlord]

The state of Tennessee has the right to celebrate whomever it wants to. I'm not telling you to shut up, you are perfectly free to disagree and argue with me if you choose to.

The people in the State of Tennessee, sure. The state government? Those don't have rights.

There is no such thing as States rights, but government doesn't have to be a grey neutral, nor is it practically. It's why State's are capable of passing their own laws, or for having local holidays. Either the Government decides what Holidays are followed nationally, or it allows the states to have their own local holidays. We can't just pick and choose which local holidays can be celebrated and which can't just because we find it distasteful. The State Government has the power to create or suspend local holidays, does it not? And if the people of Tennsessee want this to be a state holiday, and if the State Government is supposed to represent the wishes of the locals of Tennsessee, then why would it be moral for another state or the federal government to intervene?

You can't allow the State's to create local holidays and then suspend them when you don't like them. Either the State's are allowed to celebrate their own holidays or they aren't.

[Christian Confederation]

I didn't observe it, but did hear about it.
We should keep the holiday but talk about the good and bad.
Georgia celebrates Jeff Davis and General Lee's birthday, as well as Confederate memorial day.
The civil war happened 200+ years ago and people are still talking about it. If we keep taking down statues and "Blow those Racists off Stone mountain!" Like some people want-https://www.ajc.com/blog/politics/abrams-calls-for-removal-confederate-faces-off-stone-mountain/MysbHRxXFN3ueVb79LdVMJ/
(She didn't win thank the Lord)

Point being I don't want my defendents to live in a world where the bravery and heroism of the southern men is forgotten.