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The Second Amendment speaks of "the right of the People to keep and bear Arms." In other Constitutional cases, "person" and "People" has been construed to include anyone physically in the US. Logically, undocumented migrants in the US should have the right to keep and bear arms.

One commonly cited reason for Amendment II is to enable the populace to defend itself against a tyrranical government. A government that seeks to put one's children in concentration camps and send one to a country one has fled from is by definition tyrranical. Again, logically, undocumented migrants in the US should have the right to keep and bear arms to defend themseves from the US government.

However, if US government has the right to restrict undocumented migrants' access to arms, why does it not have the right to make other common-sense restrictions on gun ownership including universal background checks, magazine size restrictions, or bans on semiautomatics and bump stocks?

Are we even gonna pretend this is a serious country anymore?

Yes, because its a natural right.

US-SSR wrote:However, if US government has the right to restrict undocumented migrants' access to arms, why does it not have the right to make other common-sense restrictions on gun ownership including universal background checks, magazine size restrictions, or bans on semiautomatics and bump stocks?

Well, you'd definitely need a restriction against common sense to get anyone to support that dumb shit.

The Liberated Territories wrote:Yes, because its a natural right.

This really. But they should still leave.

The Liberated Territories wrote:Yes, because its a natural right.

Nah. It’s a privilege.

US-SSR wrote:However, if US government has the right to restrict undocumented migrants' access to arms, why does it not have the right to make other common-sense restrictions on gun ownership including universal background checks, magazine size restrictions, or bans on semiautomatics and bump stocks?

Because not all rights listed in the constitution apply to non-citizens. Thread over.

The Liberated Territories wrote:Yes, because its a natural right.

No, it’s an American obsession.

Kowani wrote:

The Liberated Territories wrote:Yes, because its a natural right.

Nah. It’s a privilege.

Just like coming to America.

Bear Stearns wrote:

Kowani wrote:Nah. It’s a privilege.

Just like coming to America.

Not sure why you’re bringing this up, as I never asserted otherwise…

US-SSR wrote:However, if US government has the right to restrict undocumented migrants' access to arms, why does it not have the right to make other common-sense restrictions on gun ownership including universal background checks, magazine size restrictions, or bans on semiautomatics and bump stocks?

I don’t think you know what that word means. Or what you’re talking about in general.

Also, no. You’ve already committed one crime by being in the US illegally, so not only should you not be allowed a firearm, you are not allowed the same rights as a citizen of the US.
I don’t understand why that’s so hard for some people. If you’re here illegally, you’re not a citizen, thus the rights granted to citizens do not apply to you.

Yes. They should all be armed, organized into military forces, then sent back to their countries of origin to overthrow said countries and add them as states to the USA. As part of this service, they, and any children they happen to have, should be given citizenship.

Eh. On one hand, I feel like people should be allowed to own a firearm. But on the other hand, they are coming in illegally so they're pretty much already criminals.

I'm a bit divided on this. But, who cares about what I think? I'm not American.

Free Arabian Nation wrote:Eh. On one hand, I feel like people should be allowed to own a firearm. But on the other hand, they are coming in illegally so they're pretty much already criminals.

I'm a bit divided on this. But, who cares about what I think? I'm not American.

I mean, if they came here for guns, let's give em guns. Let's let em get all the guns they can afford so they can take em back to Mexico and rid the country of the fucking cartels and their current corrupt and arrogant government that has restricted their gun rights in the first place.

Yeah? The only reason I could fathom to the contrary is the American myth that every immigrant is actually just a varying degree of a terrorist.

The Liberated Territories wrote:Yes, because its a natural right.

No one thinks that way anymore.

Chernoslavia wrote:

Free Arabian Nation wrote:Eh. On one hand, I feel like people should be allowed to own a firearm. But on the other hand, they are coming in illegally so they're pretty much already criminals.

I'm a bit divided on this. But, who cares about what I think? I'm not American.

I mean, if they came here for guns, let's give em guns. Let's let em get all the guns they can afford so they can take em back to Mexico and rid the country of the fucking cartels and their current corrupt and arrogant government that has restricted their gun rights in the first place.

I support this 100%.

Agrykkyskas wrote:Yeah? The only reason I could fathom to the contrary is the American myth that every immigrant is actually just a varying degree of a terrorist.

If we're arming people who come in illegally then let's just go full bore and invite a foreign power to land troops.

The Two Jerseys wrote:

Chernoslavia wrote:
I mean, if they came here for guns, let's give em guns. Let's let em get all the guns they can afford so they can take em back to Mexico and rid the country of the fucking cartels and their current corrupt and arrogant government that has restricted their gun rights in the first place.

I support this 100%.

I mean, we tried the US gov, the Russian Gov, and the Chinese Gov funding militias that ended up tearing countries another new one.

I don't see what would be in the harm of allowing civilians to fund militias

Agrykkyskas wrote:Yeah? The only reason I could fathom to the contrary is the American myth that every immigrant is actually just a varying degree of a terrorist.

Er, no.
They could be the nicest person in the world, it doesn’t matter who they are or where they’re from. A person who illegally enters a country is there illegally, and cannot enjoy the same rights as a citizen.

And it’s generally a good idea to not arm unknowns, not because every American is apparently a racist, but because that’s a really fucking stupid idea.

Agrykkyskas wrote:Yeah? The only reason I could fathom to the contrary is the American myth that every immigrant is actually just a varying degree of a terrorist.

To be fair, if they entered the nation illegally then they have committed a crime and therefore not eligible to own a firearm just like anyone else in the United States.

No. I am in favor of more gun restrictions and among those restrictions is that criminals should not be allowed access to firearms.

Tristainland wrote:No. I am in favor of more gun restrictions and among those restrictions is that criminals should not be allowed access to firearms.

That is already a restriction that is in place.

Highever wrote:

Tristainland wrote:No. I am in favor of more gun restrictions and among those restrictions is that criminals should not be allowed access to firearms.

That is already a restriction that is in place.

And yet criminals still find loopholes sometimes. Gun shows anyone?

Pretty sure non-citizens have constitutional rights.