Should undocumented US migrants enjoy 2nd Amendment rights?

[Novus America]

I don't get how difficult this is to understand.

The second amendment should apply to anyone, anywhere, with any weapon. Zero exceptions.

Very few people, even most American gun owners believe this.

[Greater vakolicci haven]

The capability to use them at all, never mind safely, is irrelevant. A psychotic criminal 14 year old blind non-citizen ought to enjoy second amendment rights also.

No, no they shouldn’t.

Is that person not a person?

[Greater vakolicci haven]

I don't get how difficult this is to understand.

The second amendment should apply to anyone, anywhere, with any weapon. Zero exceptions.

Very few people, even most Americans gun owners believe this.

You are not likely to find anyone who supports weapons rights more than me, probably because it's impossible to hold stronger positions on weapons rights than me.

[Kowani]

No, no they shouldn’t.

Is that person not a person?

You’re talking to a guy who doesn’t believe in rights.

[Highever]

No, no they shouldn’t.

Is that person not a person?

Shockingly, the ability to own a gun does not decide personhood.

[Highever]

I don't get how difficult this is to understand.

The second amendment should apply to anyone, anywhere, with any weapon. Zero exceptions.

Very few people, even most Americans gun owners believe this.

I would dare say that American gun owners more than anyone think this is utter nonsense, myself included.

[Greater vakolicci haven]

Is that person not a person?

Shockingly, the ability to own a gun does not decide personhood.

But personhood should be the only thing that defines whether you can own a gun.

[Necroghastia]

Shockingly, the ability to own a gun does not decide personhood.

But personhood should be the only thing that defines whether you can own a gun.

Why?

[Highever]

Shockingly, the ability to own a gun does not decide personhood.

But personhood should be the only thing that defines whether you can own a gun.

No, it absolutely should not. It is completely illogical and nonsensical.

[The Chuck]

Shockingly, the ability to own a gun does not decide personhood.

But personhood should be the only thing that defines whether you can own a gun.

Brother... Just because the Queen is cramping your style with those ridiculous gun laws over there doesn't mean that every tom dick and harry ought to get a gun. I believe in the right to bear arms to be used against the forces of tyranny (which is one of the core factors for having the 2nd Amendment) but it almost sounds like you want guns just for the sake of anarchy.

[Greater vakolicci haven]

But personhood should be the only thing that defines whether you can own a gun.

Why?

Because ablism results when people start restricting weapons rights.

[Necroghastia]

Why?

Because ablism results when people start restricting weapons rights.

So age, criminal history, and making sure someone actually knows what they're doing are all non-issues?

[Novus America]

If the second amendment was meant to protect people other than white males the NRA wouldn't have thrown its weight behind gun control measures specifically written in response to the existence of the Black Panthers.

The NRA does not determine the meaning of the Second Amendment! They are only one private lobbying organization. Not Constitutional Law courts or something.

Also the NRA of the late 60s is quite different than the NRA of today.

[Highever]

Because ablism results when people start restricting weapons rights.

So age, criminal history, and making sure someone actually knows what they're doing are all non-issues?

Duh, why would you think that someone who does not have the mentally capacity to take care of themselves is incapable of adhering to gun safety?

[Greater vakolicci haven]

Because ablism results when people start restricting weapons rights.

So age, criminal history, and making sure someone actually knows what they're doing are all non-issues?

Correct

[Greater vakolicci haven]

If the second amendment was meant to protect people other than white males the NRA wouldn't have thrown its weight behind gun control measures specifically written in response to the existence of the Black Panthers.

The NRA does not determine the meaning of the Second Amendment! They are only one private lobbying organization. Not Constitutional Law courts or something.

Also the NRA of the late 60s is quite different than the NRA of today.

The NRA has rather lost its way a bit, I feel. GOA are a bit better.

[Highever]

So age, criminal history, and making sure someone actually knows what they're doing are all non-issues?

Correct

That is perfectly fine in your whimsical and blindly idealistic mind. Luckily we have others who have basic sense to decide these things.

[Novus America]

Very few people, even most Americans gun owners believe this.

I would dare say that American gun owners more than anyone think this is utter nonsense, myself included.

Exactly. I am an American. I own several firearms. And I think that is total nonsense.
I do support reasonable regulations.

[Highever]

I would dare say that American gun owners more than anyone think this is utter nonsense, myself included.

Exactly. I am an American. I own several firearms. And I think that is total nonsense.
I do support reasonable regulations.

As most sensible gun owners do.

[Greater vakolicci haven]

I would dare say that American gun owners more than anyone think this is utter nonsense, myself included.

Exactly. I am an American. I own several firearms. And I think that is total nonsense.
I do support reasonable regulations.

Because you've been taught by the media to be scared of the mentally ill and the criminal.

[Novus America]

Exactly. I am an American. I own several firearms. And I think that is total nonsense.
I do support reasonable regulations.

Because you've been taught by the media to be scared of the mentally ill and the criminal.

No, because I am not an accelerationist who wants to see the world burn.

[Highever]

Exactly. I am an American. I own several firearms. And I think that is total nonsense.
I do support reasonable regulations.

Because you've been taught by the media to be scared of the mentally ill and the criminal.

"You have been taught by the media that violent criminals including those with firearms related offenses having guns is potentially not a good thing, and that those with severe mental handicaps are not capable of handling guns safely and pose a danger to themselves."

Wow, what absurd concepts these are. Truly unfair and blatant lies. I was also told by the media that blind people cannot see. Such lies.

[Greater vakolicci haven]

Because you've been taught by the media to be scared of the mentally ill and the criminal.

No, because I am not an accelerationist who wants to see the world burn.

The world wouldn't burn by allowing everybody to enjoy their cconstitutional rights.

[Greater vakolicci haven]

Because you've been taught by the media to be scared of the mentally ill and the criminal.

"You have been taught by the media that violent criminals including those with firearms related offenses having guns is potentially not a good thing, and that those with severe mental handicaps are not capable of handling guns safely and pose a danger to themselves."

Wow, what absurd concepts these are. Truly unfair and blatant lies. I was also told by the media that blind people cannot see. Such lies.

The idea that the government has a duty to protect people from themselves is one of the foundations of ablism. It needs to be toarn down.

[Highever]

No, because I am not an accelerationist who wants to see the world burn.

The world wouldn't burn by allowing everybody to enjoy their cconstitutional rights.

No just alot of tragic deaths and injuries by self inflicted gunshots or tragic murders and acts of violence because people with a history of using guns for crime are committing crime with the guns they're allowed to have. Absolutely no problems there.