Should undocumented US migrants enjoy 2nd Amendment rights?

[Liriena]

There NOT CITIZENS!
So they don't get the citizens Rights, only basic human rights!

Except…the Constitution does apply to noncitizens.

More specifically, the Constitution applies to noncitizens insofar as every right enumerated in it that is explicitly stated to apply to people or those within the jurisdiction of the country, rather than exclusively citizens, can be assumed to include noncitizens, documented or otherwise. Ergo, for example, an undocumented immigrant does have the right to due process and an attorney. And might have Second Amendment rights.

[Khataiy]

No they shouldn't

[Christian Confederation]

Oh, that’s right, you don’t know me.

PUI?

You don’t think that “treat others nicely” and such doesn’t relate to human rights in the slightest? I’m not talking about the BS, I’m talking about shit like “do unto others as you would want unto you” and such.

I don’t care to know any of you people, honestly. NSG pretty needlessly toxic.

I do.
If I and illegally crossed the Canadian border they would arrest me before sending me back to America, same if it was the other way around.

All nations defend there border because if they didn't there county would be non existent.

[Liriena]

All nations defend there border because if they didn't there county would be non existent.

The European Union has had open borders within for quite a while, and yet its member states still exist. ¯\_(ヅ)_/¯

[Kowani]

Except…the Constitution does apply to noncitizens.

More specifically, the Constitution applies to noncitizens insofar as every right enumerated in it that is explicitly stated to apply to people or those within the jurisdiction of the country, rather than exclusively citizens, can be assumed to include noncitizens, documented or otherwise. Ergo, for example, an undocumented immigrant does have the right to due process and an attorney. And might have Second Amendment rights.

Thanks, Liri!

Oh, that’s right, you don’t know me.

PUI?

Posting under the influence.

You don’t think that “treat others nicely” and such doesn’t relate to human rights in the slightest? I’m not talking about the BS, I’m talking about shit like “do unto others as you would want unto you” and such.

I do. I just disagree that religion has anything to do with that, partially because of the “BS”, as you put it, but also because of the behavior of any theocratic regime.

I don’t care to know any of you people, honestly. NSG pretty needlessly toxic.

We are. But. If you did, you would know I was a moral nihilist, so I disagree with the concept of “basic morality.”

[Pacomia]

All nations defend there border because if they didn't there county would be non existent.

The European Union has had open borders within for quite a while, and yet its member states still exist. ¯\_(ヅ)_/¯

Agree.

[Christian Confederation]

All nations defend there border because if they didn't there county would be non existent.

The European Union has had open borders within for quite a while, and yet its member states still exist. ¯\_(ヅ)_/¯

Not really. Thanks to the EU's migrant crisis nationalim is on the rise which is a good thing.

[Kowani]

PUI?

You don’t think that “treat others nicely” and such doesn’t relate to human rights in the slightest? I’m not talking about the BS, I’m talking about shit like “do unto others as you would want unto you” and such.

I don’t care to know any of you people, honestly. NSG pretty needlessly toxic.

I do.
If I and illegally crossed the Canadian border they would arrest me before sending me back to America, same if it was the other way around.

All nations defend there border because if they didn't there county would be non existent.

30 African countries have free movement, but okay.

[Liriena]

The European Union has had open borders within for quite a while, and yet its member states still exist. ¯\_(ヅ)_/¯

Not really.

I'm sorry. Has Austria vanished from the face of the Earth? Did Germany get annexed by Assad while I wasn't looking?

[Nakena]

But does that means that things get automatically better? After all the US have abandoned most of their interests in South America. And now theres Bolsonaro and also the chinese grabbing up everything, and evangelical spreading like wildfire. I believe the south has by now the independence and freedom to do what it desires, but is not using it towards productive ends. It's... simply not whats happening.

Buddy the US tried to do a coup in venezuela like six months ago.

Bit shorter ago. And it was a total shitshow and joke. I watched it on TV.

[Christian Confederation]

Not really.

I'm sorry. Has Austria vanished from the face of the Earth? Did Germany get annexed by Assad while I wasn't looking?

Nope but Europe has gone to hell under the EU in terms of Migration laws.

[Highever]

I'm sorry. Has Austria vanished from the face of the Earth? Did Germany get annexed by Assad while I wasn't looking?

Nope but Europe has gone to hell under the EU in terms of Migration laws.

That...doesnt make them suddenly not exist? And not be independent countries?

[Pacomia]

Nope but Europe has gone to hell under the EU in terms of Migration laws.

That...doesnt make them suddenly not exist? And not be independent countries?

Yeah, Spain is still very different from Norway, and Norway is very different from Slovakia.

[Liriena]

I'm sorry. Has Austria vanished from the face of the Earth? Did Germany get annexed by Assad while I wasn't looking?

Nope but Europe has gone to hell under the EU in terms of Migration laws.

Define "gone to hell".

[Kowani]

That...doesnt make them suddenly not exist? And not be independent countries?

Yeah, Spain is still very different from Norway, and Norway is very different from Slovakia.

That’s true. Our food’s not crap.

[UIJ]

More specifically, the Constitution applies to noncitizens insofar as every right enumerated in it that is explicitly stated to apply to people or those within the jurisdiction of the country, rather than exclusively citizens, can be assumed to include noncitizens, documented or otherwise. Ergo, for example, an undocumented immigrant does have the right to due process and an attorney. And might have Second Amendment rights.

Thanks, Liri!

PUI?

Posting under the influence.

You don’t think that “treat others nicely” and such doesn’t relate to human rights in the slightest? I’m not talking about the BS, I’m talking about shit like “do unto others as you would want unto you” and such.

I do. I just disagree that religion has anything to do with that, partially because of the “BS”, as you put it, but also because of the behavior of any theocratic regime.

I don’t care to know any of you people, honestly. NSG pretty needlessly toxic.

We are. But. If you did, you would know I was a moral nihilist, so I disagree with the concept of “basic morality.”

Oh very much so

take religion out of whatever I said then

That’s pretty gross, ngl
I mean I may be a disgustingly depressed cynic but nihilism is inherently a pretty pointless belief in itself.

PUI?

You don’t think that “treat others nicely” and such doesn’t relate to human rights in the slightest? I’m not talking about the BS, I’m talking about shit like “do unto others as you would want unto you” and such.

I don’t care to know any of you people, honestly. NSG pretty needlessly toxic.

I do.
If I and illegally crossed the Canadian border they would arrest me before sending me back to America, same if it was the other way around.

All nations defend there border because if they didn't there county would be non existent.

That has nothing to do with what I said in that post?

Their*, yet another misuse of their, there, and they’re.
Also no, not all countries have closed or guarded borders.

[Liriena]

That...doesnt make them suddenly not exist? And not be independent countries?

Yeah, Spain is still very different from Norway, and Norway is very different from Slovakia.

And none of the member states of the EU has collapsed into anomie or lost their political sovereignity from the new arrivals seizing political power for themselves. Not seeing a lot of Syrian or Afghan refugees sitting in the legislatures of Europe.

[Pacomia]

Yeah, Spain is still very different from Norway, and Norway is very different from Slovakia.

And none of the member states of the EU has collapsed into anomie or lost their political sovereignity from the new arrivals seizing political power for themselves. Not seeing a lot of Syrian or Afghan refugees sitting in the legislatures of Europe.

This.

[Highever]

Yeah, Spain is still very different from Norway, and Norway is very different from Slovakia.

That’s true. Our food’s not crap.

Beat me to it.

[Kowani]

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That’s pretty gross, ngl
I mean I may be a disgustingly depressed cynic but nihilism is inherently a pretty pointless belief in itself.

Entirely untrue.

[UIJ]

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That’s pretty gross, ngl
I mean I may be a disgustingly depressed cynic but nihilism is inherently a pretty pointless belief in itself.

Entirely untrue.

Nihilism is the belief that life has no real point or meaning, essentially.
But life is what you make of it, thus everyone has their own meaning and point to life, as basic or eccentric as it may be. Sure, there’s not a whole massive meaning to life, we weren’t made to do something, but we can decide things for ourselves.
Pretty pointless to waste time saying that we don’t have a purpose in life, and kind of needlessly cynical.

[Raider Clans]

Why not? That seems to be the best compromise. Liberals always play both games but they never want to meet the middle road of isolationist policies. American soldiers are confined to protecting American borders, and that ends coups overseas. Domestic stability is the responsibility of the domestic population, and we work to keep it that way under that kind of foreign policy.

In exchange, those alien children are the responsibility of their parents. I understand superpowers can unfairly unhinge neighboring countries, but if we practice a kind of nationalism to keep America focused on itself, and what happens in its own borders -- with exceptions to economic shifts and some intelligence practices -- then everyone around the superpower wins too.

No.

Idk seems pretty reasonable to me.

[Christian Confederation]

Nope but Europe has gone to hell under the EU in terms of Migration laws.

Define "gone to hell".

Crime gone up, Terorism gone up

[Kowani]

Entirely untrue.

Nihilism is the belief that life has no real point or meaning, essentially.
But life is what you make of it, thus everyone has their own meaning and point to life, as basic or eccentric as it may be. Sure, there’s not a whole massive meaning to life, we weren’t made to do something, but we can decide things for ourselves.
Pretty pointless to waste time saying that we don’t have a purpose in life, and kind of needlessly cynical.

1. Moral nihilism says that morals aren’t real. Nothing to do with the meaning of life.
2. I don’t believe our lives have a purpose on the cosmic scale. Death will rule the greatest kingdom, given enough time. However, we don’t experience things on the cosmic scale, because we die-and this we experience things on the human scale, which gives our own experiences intrinsic value because they are experienced. Our logic is not quite the same, but the general conclusion is.

That’s true. Our food’s not crap.

Beat me to it.

Wait, where are you from?

[UIJ]

Nihilism is the belief that life has no real point or meaning, essentially.
But life is what you make of it, thus everyone has their own meaning and point to life, as basic or eccentric as it may be. Sure, there’s not a whole massive meaning to life, we weren’t made to do something, but we can decide things for ourselves.
Pretty pointless to waste time saying that we don’t have a purpose in life, and kind of needlessly cynical.

1. Moral nihilism says that morals aren’t real. Nothing to do with the meaning of life.
2. I don’t believe our lives have a purpose on the cosmic scale. Death will rule the greatest kingdom, given enough time. However, we don’t experience things on the cosmic scale, because we die-and this we experience things on the human scale, which gives our own experiences intrinsic value because they are experienced. Our logic is not quite the same, but the general conclusion is.

Beat me to it.

Wait, where are you from?

Ah, right. I’m thinking of just nihilism
Regardless it’s off topic and I’m too tired to continue any debate