by Jean-Paul Sartre » Sat Jul 13, 2019 4:50 pm
by ECKU » Sat Jul 13, 2019 4:53 pm
by Jean-Paul Sartre » Sat Jul 13, 2019 4:54 pm
ECKU wrote:I want the American government to be Islamized. So really the only voting that would be happening is a shura voting on the next SulTaan.
by ECKU » Sat Jul 13, 2019 4:54 pm
by Jean-Paul Sartre » Sat Jul 13, 2019 4:56 pm
by The Federated Soviets of North America » Sat Jul 13, 2019 4:57 pm
by ECKU » Sat Jul 13, 2019 4:58 pm
by Jean-Paul Sartre » Sat Jul 13, 2019 4:59 pm
The Federated Soviets of North America wrote:No, this is a terrible idea. We should instead provide reasonable funding for education.
by Rojava Free State » Sat Jul 13, 2019 4:59 pm
ECKU wrote:I want the American government to be Islamized. So really the only voting that would be happening is a shura voting on the next SulTaan.
Rojava Free State wrote:Listen yall. I'm only gonna say it once but I want you to remember it. This ain't a world fit for good men. It seems like you gotta be monstrous just to make it. Gotta have a little bit of darkness within you just to survive. You gotta stoop low everyday it seems like. Stoop all the way down to the devil in these times. And then one day you look in the mirror and you realize that you ain't you anymore. You're just another monster, and thanks to your actions, someone else will eventually become as warped and twisted as you. Never forget that the best of us are just the best of a bad lot. Being at the top of a pile of feces doesn't make you anything but shit like the rest. Never forget that.
by Jean-Paul Sartre » Sat Jul 13, 2019 4:59 pm
ECKU wrote:Jean-Paul Sartre wrote:I'm politely asking you to not discuss it here. I would like this to not be a discussion about Islam for once, though I know that's difficult for you.
Since when was that difficult? And no one said anything about a discussion about Al-Islam. But sure I'll stop talking about it.
by Liriena » Sat Jul 13, 2019 5:00 pm
Jean-Paul Sartre wrote:Should we introduce measures to curb how much influence the average person's vote has, understanding that this is the case?
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by Pacomia » Sat Jul 13, 2019 5:00 pm
by The Federated Soviets of North America » Sat Jul 13, 2019 5:01 pm
Liriena wrote:Jean-Paul Sartre wrote:Should we introduce measures to curb how much influence the average person's vote has, understanding that this is the case?
If your concern is that the populace is not well-educated enough to make informed political decisions, that is not necessarily, I think, an argument in favour of restricting the vote by forcing voters to undergo some sort of test. Disenfranchising people for their lack of knowledge or intelligence turns what's supposed to be a representative democracy into a technocracy with extra steps. And you'd be effectively taking a punitive approach to a problem that does have a preventative solution: improving public education.
by Jean-Paul Sartre » Sat Jul 13, 2019 5:02 pm
Liriena wrote:Jean-Paul Sartre wrote:Should we introduce measures to curb how much influence the average person's vote has, understanding that this is the case?
If your concern is that the populace is not well-educated enough to make informed political decisions, that is not necessarily, I think, an argument in favour of restricting the vote by forcing voters to undergo some sort of test. Disenfranchising people for their lack of knowledge or intelligence turns what's supposed to be a representative democracy into a technocracy with extra steps. And you'd be effectively taking a punitive approach to a problem that does have a preventative solution: improving public education.
by LiberNovusAmericae » Sat Jul 13, 2019 5:04 pm
by Pacomia » Sat Jul 13, 2019 5:04 pm
Jean-Paul Sartre wrote:Liriena wrote:If your concern is that the populace is not well-educated enough to make informed political decisions, that is not necessarily, I think, an argument in favour of restricting the vote by forcing voters to undergo some sort of test. Disenfranchising people for their lack of knowledge or intelligence turns what's supposed to be a representative democracy into a technocracy with extra steps. And you'd be effectively taking a punitive approach to a problem that does have a preventative solution: improving public education.
America is a representative democracy precisely because the masses cannot be trusted with democracy. It is better to have them vote for people, and to have as many layers as possible in place between the vox populi and the high offices.
by ECKU » Sat Jul 13, 2019 5:05 pm
Rojava Free State wrote:ECKU wrote:I want the American government to be Islamized. So really the only voting that would be happening is a shura voting on the next SulTaan.
Our country isn't majority muslim. Keep that kind of government for a nation where more than 1% of the population believes in Islam
by The Federated Soviets of North America » Sat Jul 13, 2019 5:06 pm
Jean-Paul Sartre wrote:Liriena wrote:If your concern is that the populace is not well-educated enough to make informed political decisions, that is not necessarily, I think, an argument in favour of restricting the vote by forcing voters to undergo some sort of test. Disenfranchising people for their lack of knowledge or intelligence turns what's supposed to be a representative democracy into a technocracy with extra steps. And you'd be effectively taking a punitive approach to a problem that does have a preventative solution: improving public education.
America is a representative democracy precisely because the masses cannot be trusted with democracy. It is better to have them vote for people, and to have as many layers as possible in place between the vox populi and the high offices.
by Pacomia » Sat Jul 13, 2019 5:06 pm
ECKU wrote:Rojava Free State wrote:
Our country isn't majority muslim. Keep that kind of government for a nation where more than 1% of the population believes in Islam
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by Jean-Paul Sartre » Sat Jul 13, 2019 5:06 pm
Pacomia wrote:Jean-Paul Sartre wrote:America is a representative democracy precisely because the masses cannot be trusted with democracy. It is better to have them vote for people, and to have as many layers as possible in place between the vox populi and the high offices.
So, you’re advocating for a transition to authoritarianism.
by ECKU » Sat Jul 13, 2019 5:07 pm
by Jean-Paul Sartre » Sat Jul 13, 2019 5:09 pm
The Federated Soviets of North America wrote:Jean-Paul Sartre wrote:America is a representative democracy precisely because the masses cannot be trusted with democracy. It is better to have them vote for people, and to have as many layers as possible in place between the vox populi and the high offices.
The point we are both trying to make is that such restrictions could be lifted in a system where public education was drastically improved
by Kowani » Sat Jul 13, 2019 5:10 pm
by San Lumen » Sat Jul 13, 2019 5:12 pm
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