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Postby North German Realm » Mon Jul 15, 2019 1:03 am

ECKU wrote:
Nakena wrote:Ultimatively Islam is an religion of arab origin and for arabic culture. It shows.

False and false

That must be why its most holy sites are originally sites -at least those not appropriated from Jews after Muhammad got to Yathrib- belonging to pagan Arabs, why its chief god was originally and really a pagan Arab god, why so many of its rites (Hajj, for example) are originally rites belonging to pagan Arabs, why its language is one of pagan Arabs, why the shit it describes as good (pretty much its description of Heaven) is something pagan Arabs living in a desert 1400 years ago would find cool, etc. etc.
It was totally not designed for pagan Arabs and Arabic culture.
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Postby Nakena » Mon Jul 15, 2019 1:03 am

ECKU wrote:
Nakena wrote:Ultimatively Islam is an religion of arab origin and for arabic culture. It shows.

False and false


NGR:

North German Realm wrote:That's just it. Islam's pretense about being appropriate for everyone in any time (Despite the obvious signs it's a native regional religion designed only for pagan Arabs 1400 years ago and not even a moment or meter further) means you shouldn't insist on using Arabic to sound Islamic.


Nuff said.

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Postby ECKU » Mon Jul 15, 2019 1:05 am

Nakena wrote:
ECKU wrote:False and false


NGR:

North German Realm wrote:That's just it. Islam's pretense about being appropriate for everyone in any time (Despite the obvious signs it's a native regional religion designed only for pagan Arabs 1400 years ago and not even a moment or meter further) means you shouldn't insist on using Arabic to sound Islamic.


Nuff said.

Again, false
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Postby Neanderthaland » Mon Jul 15, 2019 1:33 am

ECKU wrote:
Nakena wrote:
NGR:



Nuff said.

Again, false

It's really not. I mean Ramadan is really unfair to anyone who lives North of a certain latitude.
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Postby ECKU » Mon Jul 15, 2019 1:36 am

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ECKU wrote:Again, false

It's really not.

It really is. Al-Islam can be practiced anywhere and everywhere and anyone can join it. It was sent to all mankind, not Arabs.
Neanderthaland wrote:I mean Ramadan is really unfair to anyone who lives North of a certain latitude.

Says who?
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Postby North German Realm » Mon Jul 15, 2019 1:37 am

Neanderthaland wrote:
ECKU wrote:Again, false

It's really not. I mean Ramadan is really unfair to anyone who lives North of a certain latitude.

To add a bit, most of the description of heaven is literally the climate most Europeans already live in (apart from "rivers of honey" and bullshit like that) but was seen as an unobtainable heaven by pagan Arabs living in a desert 1400 years ago. (+beautiful black-haired and brown-eyed girls, which is a common Arabic stereotype for what a beautiful woman was at the time.)
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Postby Neanderthaland » Mon Jul 15, 2019 1:39 am

ECKU wrote:
Neanderthaland wrote:It's really not.

It really is. Al-Islam can be practiced anywhere and everywhere and anyone can join it. It was sent to all mankind, not Arabs.

It wasn't "sent" to anyone. It was invented by a man, and it contains nothing that couldn't have been invented by a man in that time and place.


Says who?

I can't be tasked to dig it up right now, but there are actually medieval manuscripts from the Abbasids basically saying of Russia, "Muslims really shouldn't live this far North."

Also, says me.
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Postby North German Realm » Mon Jul 15, 2019 1:39 am

ECKU wrote:
Neanderthaland wrote:It's really not.

It really is. Al-Islam can be practiced anywhere and everywhere and anyone can join it. It was sent to all mankind, not Arabs.
Neanderthaland wrote:I mean Ramadan is really unfair to anyone who lives North of a certain latitude.

Says who?

Th guy living in Denmark who has to fast for 21 hours in a day before he can break it, take a rest for three hours, and start fasting again :p
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Postby Page » Mon Jul 15, 2019 1:41 am

North German Realm wrote:
ECKU wrote:It really is. Al-Islam can be practiced anywhere and everywhere and anyone can join it. It was sent to all mankind, not Arabs.

Says who?

Th guy living in Denmark who has to fast for 21 hours in a day before he can break it, take a rest for three hours, and start fasting again :p


To be fair though, as the month of Ramadan always changes relative to the calendar year, that same guy will someday only have to do a 3 hour fast in winter, which is basically nothing at all.
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Postby Neanderthaland » Mon Jul 15, 2019 1:42 am

Page wrote:
North German Realm wrote:Th guy living in Denmark who has to fast for 21 hours in a day before he can break it, take a rest for three hours, and start fasting again :p


To be fair though, as the month of Ramadan always changes relative to the calendar year, that same guy will someday only have to do a 3 hour fast in winter, which is basically nothing at all.

Rendering the whole thing kind of pointless.
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Postby The of Japan » Mon Jul 15, 2019 1:43 am

Neanderthaland wrote:
Page wrote:
To be fair though, as the month of Ramadan always changes relative to the calendar year, that same guy will someday only have to do a 3 hour fast in winter, which is basically nothing at all.

Rendering the whole thing kind of pointless.

It was obviously intended for an Arab to do it
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Postby ECKU » Mon Jul 15, 2019 1:43 am

Neanderthaland wrote:
ECKU wrote:It really is. Al-Islam can be practiced anywhere and everywhere and anyone can join it. It was sent to all mankind, not Arabs.

It wasn't "sent" to anyone. It was invented by a man, and it contains nothing that couldn't have been invented by a man in that time and place.

This is also false but I won't get into this.
Neanderthaland wrote:I can't be tasked to dig it up right now, but there are actually medieval manuscripts from the Abbasids basically saying of Russia, "Muslims really shouldn't live this far North."

Also, says me.

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Postby ECKU » Mon Jul 15, 2019 1:44 am

Neanderthaland wrote:
Page wrote:
To be fair though, as the month of Ramadan always changes relative to the calendar year, that same guy will someday only have to do a 3 hour fast in winter, which is basically nothing at all.

Rendering the whole thing kind of pointless.

Lunar calendars aren't pointless.
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Postby ECKU » Mon Jul 15, 2019 1:45 am

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Neanderthaland wrote:Rendering the whole thing kind of pointless.

It was obviously intended for an Arab to do it

And everyone else who embraces Al-Islam
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Postby The Huskar Social Union » Mon Jul 15, 2019 1:48 am

ECKU wrote:
Neanderthaland wrote:It wasn't "sent" to anyone. It was invented by a man, and it contains nothing that couldn't have been invented by a man in that time and place.

This is also false but I won't get into this.
Neanderthaland wrote:I can't be tasked to dig it up right now, but there are actually medieval manuscripts from the Abbasids basically saying of Russia, "Muslims really shouldn't live this far North."

Also, says me.

Cool

It was invented by a man.
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Postby Nakena » Mon Jul 15, 2019 1:50 am

The Huskar Social Union wrote:
ECKU wrote:This is also false but I won't get into this.

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It was invented by a man.


Claims to the contrary would neither make it more valid because in that case I'd be assumed that other people receiving visions from supposed deities/demons/beings from different dimensions, might also have their varying degrees of validity.

Which would making monotheist claims even more dubious and shady.
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Postby The Grims » Mon Jul 15, 2019 1:59 am

The Huskar Social Union wrote:
ECKU wrote:This is also false but I won't get into this.

Cool

It was invented by a man.


What would Islam have been like if the prophet had been a lady?

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Postby ECKU » Mon Jul 15, 2019 2:00 am

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Postby ECKU » Mon Jul 15, 2019 2:00 am

The Grims wrote:
The Huskar Social Union wrote:It was invented by a man.


What would Islam have been like if the prophet had been a lady?

The same
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Postby ECKU » Mon Jul 15, 2019 2:03 am

Nakena wrote:
The Huskar Social Union wrote:It was invented by a man.


Claims to the contrary would neither make it more valid because in that case I'd be assumed that other people receiving visions from supposed deities/demons/beings from different dimensions, might also have their varying degrees of validity.

Which would making monotheist claims even more dubious and shady.

If you prove the truth of Al-Islam that nullifies every other religion.
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Postby North German Realm » Mon Jul 15, 2019 2:03 am

ECKU wrote:
Nakena wrote:
Claims to the contrary would neither make it more valid because in that case I'd be assumed that other people receiving visions from supposed deities/demons/beings from different dimensions, might also have their varying degrees of validity.

Which would making monotheist claims even more dubious and shady.

If you prove the truth of Al-Islam that nullifies every other religion.

Good thing it's literally impossible to "prove" the truth of Islam then :)
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Postby The Grims » Mon Jul 15, 2019 2:06 am

ECKU wrote:
Nakena wrote:
Claims to the contrary would neither make it more valid because in that case I'd be assumed that other people receiving visions from supposed deities/demons/beings from different dimensions, might also have their varying degrees of validity.

Which would making monotheist claims even more dubious and shady.

If you prove the truth of Al-Islam that nullifies every other religion.

Attempting to prove something is true is however the opposite of good scientific practice.

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Postby The Grims » Mon Jul 15, 2019 2:07 am

ECKU wrote:
The Grims wrote:
What would Islam have been like if the prophet had been a lady?

The same

How so ? A lady could not have travelled with the same companions.

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Postby ECKU » Mon Jul 15, 2019 2:09 am

The Grims wrote:
ECKU wrote:The same

How so ? A lady could not have travelled with the same companions.

Depends on how long the travel takes.
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