Prevent and why it's okay for young Muslims to be radical.

[LiberNovusAmericae]

So for those who oppose Prevent, what alternative(s) to de-radicalization do y'all think would benefit people?

How about 'don't make thought crimes in the first place?'

While I don't support arrests for grotesque ideas, in some cases radicals must be monitored for other's safety.

[Rojava Free State]

How about 'don't make thought crimes in the first place?'

While I don't support arrests for grotesque ideas, in some cases radicals must be monitored for other's safety.

Here's an idea everybody. Sit your kids down and tell them that being a terrorist is no good.

[ECKU]

While I don't support arrests for grotesque ideas, in some cases radicals must be monitored for other's safety.

Here's an idea everybody. Sit your kids down and tell them that being a terrorist is no good.

Sounds straightforward enough

[Chestaan]

That's not really for you to decide... If people want to be communists then we should let them make up their own mind.

And I have the right to make up mine.

Absolutely. But we're on a thread talking about whether or not being "radical" is acceptable so I assumed your response was about whether or not it is acceptable to be a communist.

[Wunderstrafanstalt]

In light of this, what is your opinion of Prevent? I believe it should be overhauled or abolished as it is by nature discriminatory and targets Muslims and is often overzealous.

Islamic radicalism is not okay and is a problem. Some ideas needs to be shot at (wait, ideas are bulletproof).

Tbh, any minority group need to be made part of one's community, else ISIS. One solution, that worked wonders in my country, is to have a national Muslim organization that a) is the representation of the majority of Muslims in the country and b) aligns with the state, meaning their task is to c) cherrypick Islamic teachings/making fatwas that align with the common national good.

[ECKU]

In light of this, what is your opinion of Prevent? I believe it should be overhauled or abolished as it is by nature discriminatory and targets Muslims and is often overzealous.

Islamic radicalism is not okay and is a problem. Some ideas needs to be shot at (wait, ideas are bulletproof).

Tbh, any minority group need to be made part of one's community, else ISIS. One solution, that worked wonders in my country, is to have a national Muslim organization that a) is the representation of the majority of Muslims in the country and b) aligns with the state, meaning their task is to c) cherrypick Islamic teachings/making fatwas that align with the common national good.

That's no where need how Al-Islam works. We conform to Allah SWT, not the other way around.

[Highever]

Islamic radicalism is not okay and is a problem. Some ideas needs to be shot at (wait, ideas are bulletproof).

Tbh, any minority group need to be made part of one's community, else ISIS. One solution, that worked wonders in my country, is to have a national Muslim organization that a) is the representation of the majority of Muslims in the country and b) aligns with the state, meaning their task is to c) cherrypick Islamic teachings/making fatwas that align with the common national good.

That's no where need how Al-Islam works. We conform to Allah SWT, not the other way around.

Again if you are to reside in a western democracy, you best get used to not being given special treatment because of your religious beliefs.

[Wunderstrafanstalt]

Islamic radicalism is not okay and is a problem. Some ideas needs to be shot at (wait, ideas are bulletproof).

Tbh, any minority group need to be made part of one's community, else ISIS. One solution, that worked wonders in my country, is to have a national Muslim organization that a) is the representation of the majority of Muslims in the country and b) aligns with the state, meaning their task is to c) cherrypick Islamic teachings/making fatwas that align with the common national good.

That's no where need how Al-Islam works. We conform to Allah SWT, not the other way around.

Example. There are 3 sources of laws in Islam: Al Quran, Hadith, and ulema consensus. Well, the national muslim organization should be made out of the best ulemas, whose opinion is regarded higher than, say, me or you. It just a coincidence that their consensus usually if not always aligns with state policies.

Again, the goal is to prevent radicalism. Moderate muslim organizations (example) should flourish and benefit the muslim community, while radicals and their top figures should be gradually cracked down and die in a whimper (example).

[Katganistan]

This thread is about Prevent, not religion.

Which focuses on religious radicalism and extremism.

And therefore is NOT a hijack, and DOES NOT belong in the IDT.

[ECKU]

That's no where need how Al-Islam works. We conform to Allah SWT, not the other way around.

Example. There are 3 sources of laws in Islam: Al Quran, Hadith, and ulema consensus. Well, the national muslim organization should be made out of the best ulemas, whose opinion is regarded higher than, say, me or you. It just a coincidence that their consensus usually if not always aligns with state policies.

Again, the goal is to prevent radicalism. Moderate muslim organizations (example) should flourish and benefit the muslim community, while radicals and their top figures should be gradually cracked down and die in a whimper (example).

Well now you're saying something else. Either the national 'Ulama are actually guiding the nation by Al-Islam - what this post of yours is saying - or the national 'Ulama is only reflecting human interests - which is what your 1st post said. Which one is it?

Also, Hizbut-Tahrir isn't radical afaik. And we don't need "moderate" Muslims anymore than we need "radical" Muslims. All we need in this Ummah - besides Allah SWT - are Muslims who are knowledgeable of the Holy Qur'an and Sunnah to guide us.

[Al Mumtahanah]

"Unjust" in the Islamic sense? That is, stonings are OK?

Stonings aren't part of Al-Islam. Ans even if they were non-Muslims wouldn't be subject go them. But yes, "unjust" in the Islamic sense.

Stoning is a common method for carrying out capital punishment in Islam along with beheading. Death fall is sometimes. Crucifixion only in a few cases.

[ECKU]

Stonings aren't part of Al-Islam. Ans even if they were non-Muslims wouldn't be subject go them. But yes, "unjust" in the Islamic sense.

Stoning is a common method for carrying out capital punishment in Islam along with beheading. Death fall is sometimes. Crucifixion only in a few cases.

I have not seen any daleel for stoning.

[Al Mumtahanah]

Stoning is a common method for carrying out capital punishment in Islam along with beheading. Death fall is sometimes. Crucifixion only in a few cases.

I have not seen any daleel for stoning.

What do you believe is the correct method?

[ECKU]

I have not seen any daleel for stoning.

What do you believe is the correct method?

Not stoning. Allah SWT already allowed for certain punishments that are clearly in the Holy Qur'an.

[Highever]

Stonings aren't part of Al-Islam. Ans even if they were non-Muslims wouldn't be subject go them. But yes, "unjust" in the Islamic sense.

Stoning is a common method for carrying out capital punishment in Islam along with beheading. Death fall is sometimes. Crucifixion only in a few cases.

Which are not st all about to be permitted in the west.

[Al Mumtahanah]

What do you believe is the correct method?

Not stoning. Allah SWT already allowed for certain punishments that are clearly in the Holy Qur'an.

How
Do
You
Believe
The
Prophet
Put
People
To
Death?

[Nanatsu no Tsuki]

Radicalization is problematic, no matter who’s engaging in it.

[Al Mumtahanah]

Stoning is a common method for carrying out capital punishment in Islam along with beheading. Death fall is sometimes. Crucifixion only in a few cases.

Which are not st all about to be permitted in the west.

Hanafis would probably say using another method in the West due to cultural concerns would definitely fine.

[ECKU]

Not stoning. Allah SWT already allowed for certain punishments that are clearly in the Holy Qur'an.

How
Do
You
Believe
The
Prophet
Put
People
To
Death?

Oooooh. Either this or other means that the Sunnah says.

[Nova Cyberia]

Abolishing religious laws in general sound much more preferable.

[Highever]

Which are not st all about to be permitted in the west.

Hanafis would probably say using another method in the West due to cultural concerns would definitely fine.

Yes, they should probably he subject to the legal punishments that everyone else is and not be exempt from protections against capital punishment or punishment that is cruel and unusual.

[ECKU]

Hanafis would probably say using another method in the West due to cultural concerns would definitely fine.

Yes, they should probably he subject to the legal punishments that everyone else is and not be exempt from protections against capital punishment or punishment that is cruel and unusual.

What punishment are you talking about that's cruel and unusual?

[Highever]

Yes, they should probably he subject to the legal punishments that everyone else is and not be exempt from protections against capital punishment or punishment that is cruel and unusual.

What punishment are you talking about that's cruel and unusual?

Probably the slow excruciating, torturous death of being hung from wood until you expire that is often made into public spectacle.

[Al Mumtahanah]

How
Do
You
Believe
The
Prophet
Put
People
To
Death?

Oooooh. Either this or other means that the Sunnah says.

Crucifixion is for warlordism, not regular cases.

[ECKU]

What punishment are you talking about that's cruel and unusual?

Probably the slow excruciating, torturous death of being hung from wood until you expire that is often made into public spectacle.

Crucifixion doesn't have to be slow. Saudi Arabia executes their prisoners before crucifixion.