Prevent and why it's okay for young Muslims to be radical.

[Scomagia]

It's whataboutism because we are discussing terrorist jihadis and you deflected onto something else instead of arguing the point.

Your argument is that Muslims must embrace pacifism because of x. This is a ridiculous double standard that you apply only to Muslims.

That is a strawman. I haven't made that claim at all.

[Al Mumtahanah]

Your argument is that Muslims must embrace pacifism because of x. This is a ridiculous double standard that you apply only to Muslims.

That is a strawman. I haven't made that claim at all.

Gren said if a Muslim fights a war it is by definition terrorism because car bombs get used on civilians, you appeared to be seconding his argument in response to my objection.

[Fartsniffage]

That is a strawman. I haven't made that claim at all.

Gren said if a Muslim fights a war it is by definition terrorism because car bombs get used on civilians, you appeared to be seconding his argument in response to my objection.

No he didn't. If an Islamic country invades another country then it's not terrorism. The way most Islamic groups are conducting what they call Jihad at the moment does fall under terrorism.

No one really has an issue if a British muslim gets radicalised enough to move to Saudi Arabia or Iran or Egypt and join the army. We tend to get upset when they blow up a concert full of kids in Manchester. Can you understand the difference?

[Scomagia]

That is a strawman. I haven't made that claim at all.

Gren said if a Muslim fights a war it is by definition terrorism because car bombs get used on civilians, you appeared to be seconding his argument in response to my objection.

Fighting wars with car bombs is terrorism, yes. Warfare has only two acceptable human targets; uniformed soldiers and non-uniformed violent partisans. Civilians, the civil bureaucracy , and politicians are off limits and to kill them on purpose is terrorism. Your jihadists regularly murder the second set of people with great vigor.

[Fartsniffage]

Gren said if a Muslim fights a war it is by definition terrorism because car bombs get used on civilians, you appeared to be seconding his argument in response to my objection.

Fighting wars with car bombs is terrorism, yes. Warfare has only two acceptable human targets; uniformed soldiers and non-uniformed violent partisans. Civilians, the civil bureaucracy , and politicians are off limits and to kill them on purpose is terrorism. Your jihadists regularly murder the second set of people with great vigor.

Since when were political leaders not targets?

[ECKU]

I'm not talking about what people call themselves.

Naturally. How else could you justify jihadism if you didn't use No True Scotsman arguments against those jihadists who murder civilians?

Yes, I know your go-to is the No True Scotsman.

Actual rules on how to do something isn't NTS.

[Al Mumtahanah]

Gren said if a Muslim fights a war it is by definition terrorism because car bombs get used on civilians, you appeared to be seconding his argument in response to my objection.

No he didn't. If an Islamic country invades another country then it's not terrorism. The way most Islamic groups are conducting what they call Jihad at the moment does fall under terrorism.

No one really has an issue if a British muslim gets radicalised enough to move to Saudi Arabia or Iran or Egypt and join the army. We tend to get upset when they blow up a concert full of kids in Manchester. Can you understand the difference?

Muslims fighting a just war against infidels is by definition jihad.

[Rojava Free State]

That is a strawman. I haven't made that claim at all.

Gren said if a Muslim fights a war it is by definition terrorism because car bombs get used on civilians, you appeared to be seconding his argument in response to my objection.

Muslims fighting wars aren't terrorists. The YPG aren't terrorists nor are any of the militaries of the middle east. anyone using sudden unexpected violence to generate terror for political reasons is a terrorist and intentionally carbombing civilians is a cowardly crime against humanity

[Fartsniffage]

No he didn't. If an Islamic country invades another country then it's not terrorism. The way most Islamic groups are conducting what they call Jihad at the moment does fall under terrorism.

No one really has an issue if a British muslim gets radicalised enough to move to Saudi Arabia or Iran or Egypt and join the army. We tend to get upset when they blow up a concert full of kids in Manchester. Can you understand the difference?

Muslims fighting a just war against infidels is by definition jihad.

Regardless of the methods used?

[Rojava Free State]

No he didn't. If an Islamic country invades another country then it's not terrorism. The way most Islamic groups are conducting what they call Jihad at the moment does fall under terrorism.

No one really has an issue if a British muslim gets radicalised enough to move to Saudi Arabia or Iran or Egypt and join the army. We tend to get upset when they blow up a concert full of kids in Manchester. Can you understand the difference?

Muslims fighting a just war against infidels is by definition jihad.

Are you seriously suggesting that it's justified to bomb an ariana Grande concert full of kids?

[Rojava Free State]

Muslims fighting a just war against infidels is by definition jihad.

Regardless of the methods used?

This is why no one likes jihadists except for jihadists. They're some of the lowest of the low of our species and have ruined the middle East

[Fartsniffage]

Muslims fighting a just war against infidels is by definition jihad.

Are you seriously suggesting that it's justified to bomb an ariana Grande concert full of kids?

That's what he said. Forum rules prevent me from responding how I'd like.

[Al Mumtahanah]

Muslims fighting a just war against infidels is by definition jihad.

Regardless of the methods used?

Methods must follow the rules of war to be halal, these rules were laid down by both the Prophet (may the peace and blessings of Allah be upon him) and Abu Bakr (may Allah be pleased with him).

[Fartsniffage]

Regardless of the methods used?

Methods must follow the rules of war to be halal, these rules were laid down by both the Prophet (may the peace and blessings of Allah be upon him) and Abu Bakr (may Allah be pleased with him).

Will you condemn the Muslim brother who detonated a bomb in Manchester?

[Al Mumtahanah]

Methods must follow the rules of war to be halal, these rules were laid down by both the Prophet (may the peace and blessings of Allah be upon him) and Abu Bakr (may Allah be pleased with him).

Will you condemn the Muslim brother who detonated a bomb in Manchester?

Yes obviously, since when is the Ummah even at war with the UK? And if it ever were, it must follow the rules of war.

[Fartsniffage]

Will you condemn the Muslim brother who detonated a bomb in Manchester?

Yes obviously, since when is the Ummah even at war with the UK? And if it ever were, it must follow the rules of war.

So what is your issue with the British government trying to prevent good Muslims from falling under the malign influence of bad Muslims like he did?

[Al Mumtahanah]

Yes obviously, since when is the Ummah even at war with the UK? And if it ever were, it must follow the rules of war.

So what is your issue with the British government trying to prevent good Muslims from falling under the malign influence of bad Muslims like he did?

If the UK wishes to promote Islam as a counter to such activities I have no issue. My issue is clamping down on Islamic thought because it isn't liberal or modernist.

[ECKU]

Muslims fighting a just war against infidels is by definition jihad.

Regardless of the methods used?

He said "just". Also I posted the rules of lesser jihad here.

[Fartsniffage]

So what is your issue with the British government trying to prevent good Muslims from falling under the malign influence of bad Muslims like he did?

If the UK wishes to promote Islam as a counter to such activities I have no issue. My issue is clamping down on Islamic thought because it isn't liberal or modernist.

It doesn't have to be. Under the Prevent measures it just doesn't have to advocating breaking British law.

[Rojava Free State]

If the UK wishes to promote Islam as a counter to such activities I have no issue. My issue is clamping down on Islamic thought because it isn't liberal or modernist.

It doesn't have to be. Under the Prevent measures it just doesn't have to advocating breaking British law.

There's a sliding scale of anti authority ranging from being justly against oppression like nelson Mandela to being against not being able to do what you want like random teenage vandals. On that sliding scale, I think these young Muslim radicals are GG Allin

[Al Mumtahanah]

If the UK wishes to promote Islam as a counter to such activities I have no issue. My issue is clamping down on Islamic thought because it isn't liberal or modernist.

It doesn't have to be. Under the Prevent measures it just doesn't have to advocating breaking British law.

But you see that is not how it is implemented. If a Muslim has a conference on why sodomy should be met with capital punishment he will attract the attention of Prevent. Deradicalization programs use liberal Muslims as teachers.

[Rojava Free State]

It doesn't have to be. Under the Prevent measures it just doesn't have to advocating breaking British law.

But you see that is not how it is implemented. If a Muslim has a conference on why sodomy should be met with capital punishment he will attract the attention of Prevent. Deradicalization programs use liberal Muslims as teachers.

Liberal Muslims don't call for executing people for petty crap, and they aren't gonna arrest you for supporting some stupid capital punishment nonsense. They will keep an eye on you to make sure you don't actually do some shit

[Fartsniffage]

Regardless of the methods used?

He said "just". Also I posted the rules of lesser jihad here.

Do you spend as much time on Islamic websites telling the terrorists that they're wrong as you do on here telling us infidels that we're wrong?

[Rojava Free State]

He said "just". Also I posted the rules of lesser jihad here.

Do you spend as much time on Islamic websites telling the terrorists that they're wrong as you do on here telling us infidels that we're wrong?

I'm about five seconds from ordering a custom made hat that says "infidel and proud" on it

[Al Mumtahanah]

He said "just". Also I posted the rules of lesser jihad here.

Do you spend as much time on Islamic websites telling the terrorists that they're wrong as you do on here telling us infidels that we're wrong?

Terrorists don't post on Islamic websites that I see anymore than they do on any other site.