UK Politics Thread X: Boris' Big Bonkers Brexit Bash

[Cupofchar]

How will No Deal be bad enough for the EU for it to be motivation to give us what we want?

playing fast and lose with what is said again which was


it isn't a threat it's a realistic possibility which would be bad for both - which motivates the EU to be more flexible in what they'll accept.

so, to answer your question - it would be beneficial to both if the Europeans aren't as inflexible as they currently appear to be. It's called 'not cutting off the nose to spite the face'.

[Austria-Bohemia-Hungary]

How will No Deal be bad enough for the EU for it to be motivation to give us what we want?

playing fast and lose with what is said again which was


it isn't a threat it's a realistic possibility which would be bad for both - which motivates the EU to be more flexible in what they'll accept.

so, to answer your question - it would be beneficial to both if the Europeans aren't as inflexible as they currently appear to be. It's called 'not cutting off the nose to spite the face'.

So BoJo is demanding that the EU buttfuck Ireland against its will... and you agree with his course of action and denying this act of national rape of one of EU's members is... inflexible?

[The New California Republic]

But the UK is currently a member...

I don't think we're in good standing though...

Never would have guessed.

[Hurdergaryp]

How will No Deal be bad enough for the EU for it to be motivation to give us what we want?

The idea is apparently that the EU panics easily, even though there is no valid proof for that assumption.

[Celritannia]

Wanting what is best for your country is not treasonous at all.

Ah! just like Lord Ha Ha

The EU is not an independent country, but an equal partnership of those involved.

talk to the flag and doff your cap to the commision, France and Germany.

and if it was an equal partnership this wouldn't happen

http://www.dailyglobe.co.uk/comment/eu-second-referendums-and-ignoring-referendums-the-eu-democratic-deficit/

Alright, so how does the EU function, according to you then?

[Vassenor]

How will No Deal be bad enough for the EU for it to be motivation to give us what we want?

playing fast and lose with what is said again which was


it isn't a threat it's a realistic possibility which would be bad for both - which motivates the EU to be more flexible in what they'll accept.

so, to answer your question - it would be beneficial to both if the Europeans aren't as inflexible as they currently appear to be. It's called 'not cutting off the nose to spite the face'.

How is not giving us everything we want "cutting off the nose to spite the face"?

[Austria-Bohemia-Hungary]

How will No Deal be bad enough for the EU for it to be motivation to give us what we want?

The idea is apparently that the EU panics easily, even though there is no valid proof for that assumption.

Idk... if you wholly discount the idea that BoJo is losing it while comparing himself to the Hulk... yeah Brussels is clearly panicking... <.>

[Celritannia]

How will No Deal be bad enough for the EU for it to be motivation to give us what we want?

playing fast and lose with what is said again which was


it isn't a threat it's a realistic possibility which would be bad for both - which motivates the EU to be more flexible in what they'll accept.

so, to answer your question - it would be beneficial to both if the Europeans aren't as inflexible as they currently appear to be. It's called 'not cutting off the nose to spite the face'.

The EU has offered all possibilities to the UK, and the Tory government rejected them all.

[Izandai]

How will No Deal be bad enough for the EU for it to be motivation to give us what we want?

playing fast and lose with what is said again which was


it isn't a threat it's a realistic possibility which would be bad for both - which motivates the EU to be more flexible in what they'll accept.

so, to answer your question - it would be beneficial to both if the Europeans aren't as inflexible as they currently appear to be. It's called 'not cutting off the nose to spite the face'.

No Deal would be much worse for the UK than for the EU though, so it makes sense for the EU to hold fast and wait for the UK to blink.

[Austria-Bohemia-Hungary]

playing fast and lose with what is said again which was


it isn't a threat it's a realistic possibility which would be bad for both - which motivates the EU to be more flexible in what they'll accept.

so, to answer your question - it would be beneficial to both if the Europeans aren't as inflexible as they currently appear to be. It's called 'not cutting off the nose to spite the face'.

The EU has offered all possibilities to the UK, and the Tory government rejected them all.

Since the government purported to represent the Queen and Her subjects is doing anything but that... is there actually any impediment in the way of the Queen of doing a... that...

[Hurdergaryp]

The idea is apparently that the EU panics easily, even though there is no valid proof for that assumption.

Idk... if you wholly discount the idea that BoJo is losing it while comparing himself to the Hulk... yeah Brussels is clearly panicking... <.>

Main symptoms of said panic being exasperated sighs.

[Bear Stearns]

The UK has no equivalent of Caddyshack

[Nimzonia]

The UK has no equivalent of Caddyshack

Neither does any civilised nation.

[Fartsniffage]

The UK has no equivalent of Caddyshack

Neither does any civilised nation.

Every civilised nation should allow C4 for dealing with moles. Little lawn destroying bastards....

[Galloism]

The UK has no equivalent of Caddyshack

Neither does any civilised nation.

You take that back. Caddyshack is Peak Civilization.

[The Liberated Territories]

Dark joke: if Brexit happens, then the UK can finally make the Irish starve to death again.

Alright, I'll see myself out.

[Gormwood]

Dark joke: if Brexit happens, then the UK can finally make the Irish starve to death again.

Alright, I'll see myself out.

Oh hey, a tree sprouted from Cromwell's grave.

Wait, that's not a tree...

[Hurdergaryp]

Neither does any civilised nation.

You take that back. Caddyshack is Peak Civilization.

[citation needed]

[Dooom35796821595]

playing fast and lose with what is said again which was


it isn't a threat it's a realistic possibility which would be bad for both - which motivates the EU to be more flexible in what they'll accept.

so, to answer your question - it would be beneficial to both if the Europeans aren't as inflexible as they currently appear to be. It's called 'not cutting off the nose to spite the face'.

The EU has offered all possibilities to the UK, and the Tory government rejected them all.

No the EU negotiated a terrible deal with an inept negotiator in Theresa May who gave them pretty much everything they wanted. And people were surprised when Parliament continuously rejected it.

[Fartsniffage]

The EU has offered all possibilities to the UK, and the Tory government rejected them all.

No the EU negotiated a terrible deal with an inept negotiator in Theresa May who gave them pretty much everything they wanted. And people were surprised when Parliament continuously rejected it.

Nah.

May got what she could. The EU had a redline in terms of NI and held her to it. May couldn't get anything better because she had no leverage.

[Dooom35796821595]

No the EU negotiated a terrible deal with an inept negotiator in Theresa May who gave them pretty much everything they wanted. And people were surprised when Parliament continuously rejected it.

Nah.

May got what she could. The EU had a redline in terms of NI and held her to it. May couldn't get anything better because she had no leverage.

The NI border was just the tip of the Iceberg. And she had plenty of leverage, she just failed to use it.

[Fartsniffage]

Nah.

May got what she could. The EU had a redline in terms of NI and held her to it. May couldn't get anything better because she had no leverage.

The NI border was just the tip of the Iceberg. And she had plenty of leverage, she just failed to use it.

What leverage?

Bear in mind the lies that leavers told about all the carmakers and such in Europe demanding we get a deal have since proven to be lies.

[Dooom35796821595]

The NI border was just the tip of the Iceberg. And she had plenty of leverage, she just failed to use it.

What leverage?

Bear in mine the lies that leavers told about all the carmakers and such in Europe demanding we get a deal have since proven to be lies.

First she should have been preparing for no deal, to make it a viable option so the EU couldn’t dictate the negotiations, the Ireland issue should have been solved much sooner by changing the GFA, preferably before initiating article 50, and the issue of the divorce bill should have been started with the position that we owe nothing, and the EU should negotiate for each part of it.

She should also have called for cross party cooperation, and found out what deal the people wanted before starting the negotiations.

[Fartsniffage]

What leverage?

Bear in mine the lies that leavers told about all the carmakers and such in Europe demanding we get a deal have since proven to be lies.

First she should have been preparing for no deal, to make it a viable option so the EU couldn’t dictate the negotiations, the Ireland issue should have been solved much sooner by changing the GFA, preferably before initiating article 50, and the issue of the divorce bill should have been started with the position that we owe nothing, and the EU should negotiate for each part of it.

She should also have called for cross party cooperation, and found out what deal the people wanted before starting the negotiations.

Fucking lol.

If you believe any of that was achievable then I have a bridge to sell you. Or a Unicorn. You are the problem right now, you think that the UK can get something that's just impossible. Start paying attention to reality.

In fact, tell me how you would have done it. What would you propose to avoid the NI backstop? Be specific.

Given we still wanted access to the EU, how you you have packaged paying them nothing but still having the benefits of being in? Again, be specific.

[Dooom35796821595]

First she should have been preparing for no deal, to make it a viable option so the EU couldn’t dictate the negotiations, the Ireland issue should have been solved much sooner by changing the GFA, preferably before initiating article 50, and the issue of the divorce bill should have been started with the position that we owe nothing, and the EU should negotiate for each part of it.

She should also have called for cross party cooperation, and found out what deal the people wanted before starting the negotiations.

Fucking lol.

If you believe any of that was achievable then I have a bridge to sell you. Or a Unicorn. You are the problem right now, you think that the UK can get something that's just impossible. Start paying attention to reality.

In fact, tell me how you would have done it. What would you propose to avoid the NI backstop? Be specific.

Given we still wanted access to the EU, how you you have packaged paying them nothing but still having the benefits of being in? Again, be specific.

Impossible? That’s just what the EU was saying, a classic negotiating tactic.

I don’t know, I’m not in government with access to all the resources they have access to. But the key thing was preparation and planning, with multiple contingencies. Before article 50, not after.

I didn’t say pay them nothing, I said start with nothing and negotiate for every pound. Instead she calls an election, shattering a tenuous government majority and then triggers article 50 with no real plan. Always on the back foot, practically being fed lines from the EU.