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What is your favoured form of brexit?

Mays deal
28
5%
EFTA
36
6%
Some other sort of deal (please elaborate in the comments)
24
4%
Mays deal without Irish backstop
9
2%
No deal
132
23%
No deal+ (no deal minus NI and Scotland)
20
4%
I want a second referendum
208
37%
Revoke article 50 without even calling a referendum
105
19%
 
Total votes : 562

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Postby Greed and Death » Wed Sep 11, 2019 7:58 pm

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Ok, perhaps I was a little overzealous earlier, since most of the time it’s the courts holding the government to the laws already passed by Parliament. But this is one of those situations that the London high court thought was political, or too political for them to interfere, since it seems like the courts writing the laws rather then interpreting them.


And we're back to a Scottish court disagreeing. If it is true that the government lied to the sovereign then we're really in tricky waters. And it really seems like that might be the case.


I am confused by this, the sovereign provides a prorogue of Parliament at the request of the government for any reason because the sovereigns power to grant a prorogue has become a formality under current UK constitutional law much like royal assent. The Scottish court is saying the government lied and tricked the sovereign into granting a prorogue that the Sovereign is duty bound grant regardless of the reason, therefore the proroguement is unconstitutional ?

That is some a degree of formalism that is amazing.

It also appears the Scottish court is inviting a Constitutional crisis to solve an issue that has already been resolved by Parliament passing a law requiring the PM to request an extension of the EU.
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Postby Vassenor » Wed Sep 11, 2019 11:13 pm

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And your evidence of bias is that I point out facts.


The evidence is cherrypicking.


Pointing out that the big names in the leave side stand to personally profit from No Deal is cherrypicking?
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Postby An Alan Smithee Nation » Thu Sep 12, 2019 12:12 am

If the Yellowhammer papers are even close to correct, about the impact on the flow of goods across the channel, the UK car industry is going to be severely harmed if the Brexit Secretary is right when he says “the car industry’s ‘just in time’ supply chains rely on fluid cross-Channel trade routes. More than 1,100 trucks filled with car parts cross seamlessly from the EU into the UK each day.”

I also worry about a lack of flu vaccine supplies coinciding with a bad flu season, leaving NHS staff and other emergency workers unprotected at the worst possible time.
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Postby Vassenor » Thu Sep 12, 2019 12:26 am

An Alan Smithee Nation wrote:If the Yellowhammer papers are even close to correct, about the impact on the flow of goods across the channel, the UK car industry is going to be severely harmed if the Brexit Secretary is right when he says “the car industry’s ‘just in time’ supply chains rely on fluid cross-Channel trade routes. More than 1,100 trucks filled with car parts cross seamlessly from the EU into the UK each day.”

I also worry about a lack of flu vaccine supplies coinciding with a bad flu season, leaving NHS staff and other emergency workers unprotected at the worst possible time.


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Postby The Blaatschapen » Thu Sep 12, 2019 2:18 am

But one thing I find interesting, the PM has requested from the Queen to prorogue parliament. Couldn't parliament have reversed the decision(effectively, telling Boris to go back to the queen to advise otherwise) in the few days it had left?
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Postby An Alan Smithee Nation » Thu Sep 12, 2019 2:26 am

The Blaatschapen wrote:But one thing I find interesting, the PM has requested from the Queen to prorogue parliament. Couldn't parliament have reversed the decision(effectively, telling Boris to go back to the queen to advise otherwise) in the few days it had left?


They could establish an alternative parliament according to this blog
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An Alan Smithee Nation wrote:
The Blaatschapen wrote:But one thing I find interesting, the PM has requested from the Queen to prorogue parliament. Couldn't parliament have reversed the decision(effectively, telling Boris to go back to the queen to advise otherwise) in the few days it had left?


They could establish an alternative parliament according to this blog


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Postby Greater vakolicci haven » Thu Sep 12, 2019 2:49 am

An Alan Smithee Nation wrote:If the Yellowhammer papers are even close to correct, about the impact on the flow of goods across the channel, the UK car industry is going to be severely harmed if the Brexit Secretary is right when he says “the car industry’s ‘just in time’ supply chains rely on fluid cross-Channel trade routes. More than 1,100 trucks filled with car parts cross seamlessly from the EU into the UK each day.”

I also worry about a lack of flu vaccine supplies coinciding with a bad flu season, leaving NHS staff and other emergency workers unprotected at the worst possible time.

We did pretty well without a flu jab, the flu vaccine isn't really necessary anyway. It's just doctors scaremongering as usual.
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Postby An Alan Smithee Nation » Thu Sep 12, 2019 3:02 am

Dumb Ideologies wrote:
An Alan Smithee Nation wrote:
They could establish an alternative parliament according to this blog


Could they source enough blackjack tables and prostitutes in this economy?


I'm sure the gig economy will expand to cope with demand.
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Postby Novus America » Thu Sep 12, 2019 3:31 am

The Blaatschapen wrote:But one thing I find interesting, the PM has requested from the Queen to prorogue parliament. Couldn't parliament have reversed the decision(effectively, telling Boris to go back to the queen to advise otherwise) in the few days it had left?


Yes, they could have. They can also remove Boris at will.

Parliament is completely schizophrenic.
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Postby Philjia » Thu Sep 12, 2019 3:32 am

Greater vakolicci haven wrote:
An Alan Smithee Nation wrote:If the Yellowhammer papers are even close to correct, about the impact on the flow of goods across the channel, the UK car industry is going to be severely harmed if the Brexit Secretary is right when he says “the car industry’s ‘just in time’ supply chains rely on fluid cross-Channel trade routes. More than 1,100 trucks filled with car parts cross seamlessly from the EU into the UK each day.”

I also worry about a lack of flu vaccine supplies coinciding with a bad flu season, leaving NHS staff and other emergency workers unprotected at the worst possible time.

We did pretty well without a flu jab, the flu vaccine isn't really necessary anyway. It's just doctors scaremongering as usual.

Young, elderly, and ill people are at risk of death from flu. Influenza's propensity to transmit between species also means there's a reasonable chance of new strains occasionally developing which can infect and kill a much larger number of people.
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Postby Greater vakolicci haven » Thu Sep 12, 2019 3:34 am

Philjia wrote:
Greater vakolicci haven wrote:We did pretty well without a flu jab, the flu vaccine isn't really necessary anyway. It's just doctors scaremongering as usual.

Young, elderly, and ill people are at risk of death from flu. Influenza's propensity to transmit between species also means there's a reasonable chance of new strains occasionally developing which can infect and kill a much larger number of people.

No right to health mate. I'm sure that the limited amount that is available can be provided for a price.

Also...the flu jab doesn't help with new strains, that's why it has to be updated every year.
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Postby An Alan Smithee Nation » Thu Sep 12, 2019 3:36 am

Philjia wrote:
Greater vakolicci haven wrote:We did pretty well without a flu jab, the flu vaccine isn't really necessary anyway. It's just doctors scaremongering as usual.

Young, elderly, and ill people are at risk of death from flu. Influenza's propensity to transmit between species also means there's a reasonable chance of new strains occasionally developing which can infect and kill a much larger number of people.


We also pretty much have an NHS staffing crisis every winter as it is, and this is not counting the increased staffing pressure on the NHS because they can no longer rely on people from the EU.
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Postby The New California Republic » Thu Sep 12, 2019 3:37 am

Greater vakolicci haven wrote:
An Alan Smithee Nation wrote:If the Yellowhammer papers are even close to correct, about the impact on the flow of goods across the channel, the UK car industry is going to be severely harmed if the Brexit Secretary is right when he says “the car industry’s ‘just in time’ supply chains rely on fluid cross-Channel trade routes. More than 1,100 trucks filled with car parts cross seamlessly from the EU into the UK each day.”

I also worry about a lack of flu vaccine supplies coinciding with a bad flu season, leaving NHS staff and other emergency workers unprotected at the worst possible time.

We did pretty well without a flu jab, the flu vaccine isn't really necessary anyway. It's just doctors scaremongering as usual.

I trust doctors over someone who demonstrates malevolence almost daily.
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Postby Greater vakolicci haven » Thu Sep 12, 2019 3:38 am

An Alan Smithee Nation wrote:
Philjia wrote:Young, elderly, and ill people are at risk of death from flu. Influenza's propensity to transmit between species also means there's a reasonable chance of new strains occasionally developing which can infect and kill a much larger number of people.


We also pretty much have an NHS staffing crisis every winter as it is, and this is not counting the increased staffing pressure on the NHS because they can no longer rely on people from the EU.

Maybe it'll be just what is needed to send it tumbling down? The NHS eats money like it'll some day run out; a very brave and finance-focussed government needs to pull the plug.
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Postby Greater vakolicci haven » Thu Sep 12, 2019 3:39 am

The New California Republic wrote:
Greater vakolicci haven wrote:We did pretty well without a flu jab, the flu vaccine isn't really necessary anyway. It's just doctors scaremongering as usual.

I trust doctors over someone who demonstrates malevolence almost daily.

Doctors affect on policy-making tends to be as a white-coated vice squad, they're constantly advising the government to restrict what people can and cannot put into their own bodies.
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Postby Alvecia » Thu Sep 12, 2019 3:44 am

Health isn't really that important anyway.

Not like we need it to live or anything.
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Postby Dumb Ideologies » Thu Sep 12, 2019 3:50 am

Greater vakolicci haven wrote:
Philjia wrote:Young, elderly, and ill people are at risk of death from flu. Influenza's propensity to transmit between species also means there's a reasonable chance of new strains occasionally developing which can infect and kill a much larger number of people.

No right to health mate. I'm sure that the limited amount that is available can be provided for a price.

Also...the flu jab doesn't help with new strains, that's why it has to be updated every year.


Imagine pretending to be vaguely nationalist, then thinking that paying a bit more tax is a bad tradeoff for protecting the vulnerable and key workers, rubbing your hands at the prospect of damage to infrastructure and key institutions and hoping they'll collapse just because you personally don't need them.

National interest my arse.
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Greater vakolicci haven wrote:
The New California Republic wrote:I trust doctors over someone who demonstrates malevolence almost daily.

Doctors affect on policy-making tends to be as a white-coated vice squad, they're constantly advising the government to restrict what people can and cannot put into their own bodies.

Noise.
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Greater vakolicci haven wrote:
An Alan Smithee Nation wrote:
We also pretty much have an NHS staffing crisis every winter as it is, and this is not counting the increased staffing pressure on the NHS because they can no longer rely on people from the EU.

Maybe it'll be just what is needed to send it tumbling down? The NHS eats money like it'll some day run out; a very brave and finance-focussed government needs to pull the plug.

Grow the fuck up and drop your edgy fucking bollocks already
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Postby Great Confederacy of Commonwealth States » Thu Sep 12, 2019 3:52 am

Greater vakolicci haven wrote:
Philjia wrote:Young, elderly, and ill people are at risk of death from flu. Influenza's propensity to transmit between species also means there's a reasonable chance of new strains occasionally developing which can infect and kill a much larger number of people.

No right to health mate. I'm sure that the limited amount that is available can be provided for a price.

Also...the flu jab doesn't help with new strains, that's why it has to be updated every year.

There is a right to health.
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Postby Greater vakolicci haven » Thu Sep 12, 2019 3:53 am

Dumb Ideologies wrote:
Greater vakolicci haven wrote:No right to health mate. I'm sure that the limited amount that is available can be provided for a price.

Also...the flu jab doesn't help with new strains, that's why it has to be updated every year.


Imagine pretending to be vaguely nationalist, then thinking that paying a bit more tax is a bad tradeoff for protecting the vulnerable and key workers, rubbing your hands at the prospect of damage to infrastructure and key institutions and hoping they'll collapse just because you personally don't need them.

National interest my arse.

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Postby Greater vakolicci haven » Thu Sep 12, 2019 3:53 am

The New California Republic wrote:
Greater vakolicci haven wrote:Doctors affect on policy-making tends to be as a white-coated vice squad, they're constantly advising the government to restrict what people can and cannot put into their own bodies.

Noise.

Do you think that the smoking ban would have occurred if doctors had kept their gobs shut?
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Postby The New California Republic » Thu Sep 12, 2019 3:55 am

Greater vakolicci haven wrote:
An Alan Smithee Nation wrote:
We also pretty much have an NHS staffing crisis every winter as it is, and this is not counting the increased staffing pressure on the NHS because they can no longer rely on people from the EU.

Maybe it'll be just what is needed to send it tumbling down? The NHS eats money like it'll some day run out; a very brave and finance-focussed government needs to pull the plug.

What a steaming pile of shite here.
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