UK Politics Thread X: Boris' Big Bonkers Brexit Bash

[Risottia]

The government can't do anything illegal. Normally they can just ask parliament to make it legal but the government at the moment lack the necessary majority.

I beg your pardon? Of course the government can do something illegal. It has legal personality, thus it has duties which it can violate.

I suppose that by "can't" he meant "isn't allowed to".

[An Alan Smithee Nation]

Absolutely unacceptable, that would be highly unhygienic.

How about putting him on a salmon then?

Or a kipper.

[Fartsniffage]

How about putting him on a salmon then?

Or a kipper.

Bojo/Farage porno. That's in your heads now. Enjoy.

[Ifreann]

Or a kipper.

Bojo/Farage porno. That's in your heads now. Enjoy.

Time for a sequel to that brexit porno.

[Heloin]

Or a kipper.

Bojo/Farage porno. That's in your heads now. Enjoy.

So that's what a hard Brexit is.

[Hurdergaryp]

Bojo/Farage porno. That's in your heads now. Enjoy.

So that's what a hard Brexit is.

Rule 34 has gone too far (as is so often the case)!

[An Alan Smithee Nation]

Odd word stymie. Is it Scottish?

[Fartsniffage]

Odd word stymie. Is it Scottish?

Yes.

[Cerinda]

I've been really ill lately so I haven't kept up with the news, but I digress:

https://www.telegraph.co.uk/politics/20 ... u-freedom/

I guess no one told the Telegraph what actually happened Icarus, did they?

[Salandriagado]

Absolutely unacceptable, that would be highly unhygienic.

How about putting him on a salmon then?

Cruel to the salmon.

[Ifreann]

I've been really ill lately so I haven't kept up with the news, but I digress:

https://www.telegraph.co.uk/politics/20 ... u-freedom/

I guess no one told the Telegraph what actually happened Icarus, did they?

The article is how Farage can avoid being the Brexit Icarus. The first paragraph recounts the myth.

As Greek legend tells it, in a bid to regain his freedom and escape the dominion of a foreign land, Icarus took to the sky, borne aloft by hand-made wings fashioned from wood, feathers and wax. But, enticed by the golden glow of the sun, Icarus flew too high. The sun’s heat melted the wax that secured the feathers to his wings. Icarus plummeted into the sea. He drowned in his own tragedy.

Clearly the Telegraph were impressed with Varadkar's Hercules/Athena comment and wants to get in on the Classics game.

[Dumb Ideologies]

How about putting him on a salmon then?

Cruel to the salmon.

Just don't put him on Salmond.

[An Alan Smithee Nation]

Johnson trying to do politics via Facebook. That will probably end badly.

[Hurdergaryp]

Johnson trying to do politics via Facebook. That will probably end badly.

Desperate times call for desperate social networking.

[Risottia]

Johnson trying to do politics via Facebook. That will probably end badly.

We had a minister here who tried to do the same thing through the last 15 months.

Curiously enough, he ended up on the opposition benches, alongside his whole party.

[Hurdergaryp]

Johnson trying to do politics via Facebook. That will probably end badly.

We had a minister here who tried to do the same thing through the last 15 months.

Curiously enough, he ended up on the opposition benches, alongside his whole party.

But that only happened once. Surely the United Kingdom's very own golden-haired wonderboy is too smart for that.

[Bienenhalde]

Local crops:
Wheat, Barley, Oats, Potatoes, are the major Big Four crops, accounting for the overwhelming majority, and anything else on these growing time lists of fruit/vegetables.
https://www.quora.com/Which-vegetables- ... -in-the-UK

It would be good to diversify the variety of crops grown locally, but I am not opposed to importing food that cannot be grown in the local climate, as long as there are trade deals in place that sufficiently protect workers and the environment. Or failing that maybe just tariffs.

[Hurdergaryp]

[Ifreann]

You'll eat this entire whale and you'll like it!

[Liriena]

Johnson trying to do politics via Facebook. That will probably end badly.

Big boomer energy.

[Risottia]

You'll eat this entire whale and you'll like it!

The evil EU banned whaling.

[Ifreann]

https://twitter.com/dirtycitybird/statu ... 8503421955

Now that the British Dáil has been suspended and their Teachtaí Dála have gone home *AND* their Ceann Comhairle has announced his retirement because he's gonna get canned by their Taoiseach, maybe british news papers will have time to learn the real titles of Irish gov officials.

Tempted to start doing this for the lulz.

[Gravlen]

To me, this is like a state supreme court in the US declaring something the federal .gov did unlawful. Is this even allowed in the UK?

This case was brought in a Scottish court because at the time the High Court in England was on holiday.

But that does not diminish the effect of the ruling, as the case was against the actions of the Westminister government which, within the devolution settlement, affects the whole of the UK.

So the ruling in Edinburgh is binding on the UK government - although this is by no means the end of the legal battle since the case will now be appealed to the UK Supreme Court which will make a definitive decision.

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-scotland-49650729

To add to this:

Scotland has its own system of law which differs in many respects, sometimes radically, from the law of England and Wales, including a very different approach to constitutional matters. That is why the Scottish court was able to take an alternative view to the High Court in London which ruled last week, on a challenge by the anti-Brexit campaigner Gina Miller, that it could not review the prorogation as it was a political matter.

Scottish constitutional law, in particular, does not share the deference to prerogative powers of its English counterpart. There are no “no-go areas” in the constitution for an unimpressed Scottish judge.

The key to the decision was the curious matter of the missing witness statement: the government did not present an account of why and how the decision to prorogue was taken. There was no sworn witness statement from a minister or senior civil servant. Because of this, it was open to the judges to find that the reason for the prorogation was a bad one and not that officially stated — that it was for preparing for the new Queen’s Speech, which sets out the government’s legislative plans for the coming parliamentary session.

This mattered because the case brought in Scotland (like the one in England) was that the prorogation was made for an improper purpose. In particular, the judges found that the “advice” to the Queen that preceded the decision to prorogue was flawed and untrue.

In effect, though not in express terms, the Scottish court has held that Mr Johnson lied to the Queen. Not only was the advice false, but it was known by the prime minister to be false. Mr Johnson acted in bad faith.

The court has declared the prorogation unlawful and it would seem it should follow that it is void. But the practical effect of the declaration needs to be worked out. The Speaker’s office has said any recall is a matter for the government. And the Supreme Court will next week in London hear jointly appeals from this case and Ms Miller’s one.

The Supreme Court has jurisdiction for the entire UK and comprises judges from Scotland, Northern Ireland, England and Wales, and it will fall to them to reconcile the contrasting judgments into one overall decision on the legality of proroguing the UK parliament. In doing so, the Supreme Court may overturn the Scottish judgment, though that is far from certain.

Mr Johnson’s premiership has not got off to a good start. He lost his first six parliamentary votes, including having control of the business of parliament wrested from him. But this defeat is of far more constitutional significance than that of any vote in the House of Commons. He is the first UK prime minister to have been found by a court to have misled the sovereign.

Scottish judges decide Boris Johnson misled the Queen
Decision says prorogation of parliament is unlawful, in contrast to High Court in London

[Austria-Bohemia-Hungary]

>He is the first UK prime minister to have been found by a court to have misled the sovereign.
Congratulations?

[Phoenicaea]

^i read extract posted, detailing the matter of scottish judge. does it might say english law admits oral agreement (so, any doubts cast upon such deeds), while scottish does not?