UK Politics Thread X: Boris' Big Bonkers Brexit Bash

[The Huskar Social Union]

It would take Tzeentch to plan a better fuck up than the UK is currently.

[Greater vakolicci haven]

I would prefer a system wherein you could decide where your taxes went.

A government by the rich, you mean? Wherein the rich few get to decide how the country is run? No thank you.

Besides, we do decide where our taxes go. We vote for a Parliament that decides that.

The parliament shouldn't claim to represent anybody right now.

[Evil Dictators Happyland]

A government by the rich, you mean? Wherein the rich few get to decide how the country is run? No thank you.

Besides, we do decide where our taxes go. We vote for a Parliament that decides that.

The parliament shouldn't claim to represent anybody right now.

Fantastic opinion, now stop pretending that it's anything other than that.

[Greater vakolicci haven]

A government by the rich, you mean? Wherein the rich few get to decide how the country is run? No thank you.

Besides, we do decide where our taxes go. We vote for a Parliament that decides that.

The parliament shouldn't claim to represent anybody right now.

And also, the rich have a lot more to lose financially than the poor.

[Great Confederacy of Commonwealth States]

A government by the rich, you mean? Wherein the rich few get to decide how the country is run? No thank you.

Besides, we do decide where our taxes go. We vote for a Parliament that decides that.

The parliament shouldn't claim to represent anybody right now.

Could you fathom that some people might not agree with you? And can you fathom those people might be in the majority?

Still, the bigger problem is the whole 'government by the rich' thing, if people can decide where their taxes go.

[Greater vakolicci haven]

The parliament shouldn't claim to represent anybody right now.

Fantastic opinion, now stop pretending that it's anything other than that.

How can several entrenched political parties truly represent the many differing opinions in the country?

[Greater vakolicci haven]

The parliament shouldn't claim to represent anybody right now.

Could you fathom that some people might not agree with you? And can you fathom those people might be in the majority?

Still, the bigger problem is the whole 'government by the rich' thing, if people can decide where their taxes go.

The rich pay the most tax though, so why shouldn't they have more of a say? Isn't it something like 27 % of the tax is payed by 1 % of the population?

[Great Confederacy of Commonwealth States]

Could you fathom that some people might not agree with you? And can you fathom those people might be in the majority?

Still, the bigger problem is the whole 'government by the rich' thing, if people can decide where their taxes go.

The rich pay the most tax though, so why shouldn't they have more of a say? Isn't it something like 27 % of the tax is payed by 1 % of the population?

Because if you live in a democracy, your vote should not be tied to how much you earn?

[Shamhnan Insir]

It would take Tzeentch to plan a better fuck up than the UK is currently.

Shame it wasn't planned by Khorne, this would have been settled a long time ago. And we've have invaded Spain by now.

[The Huskar Social Union]

It would take Tzeentch to plan a better fuck up than the UK is currently.

Shame it wasn't planned by Khorne, this would have been settled a long time ago. And we've have invaded Spain by now.

Imagine JRM as a Khorne Berserker lol

[Dooom35796821595]

Could you fathom that some people might not agree with you? And can you fathom those people might be in the majority?

Still, the bigger problem is the whole 'government by the rich' thing, if people can decide where their taxes go.

The rich pay the most tax though, so why shouldn't they have more of a say? Isn't it something like 27 % of the tax is payed by 1 % of the population?

We used to have a system like that. FYI, it didn’t work out.

[Novus America]

Fair enough. I propose this. You no longer have to pay your taxes.
But if you fail to pay your taxes you lose all rights to use public services.

You will be prohibited from driving on a public roads, and using public transportation.
You will not be given a passport. You may not call the police or fire department. You may not use a public hospital. Your house will be detached from all public infrastructure.

Fair deal. You do not get a service you do not pay for, surely you agree with that principle?

I would prefer a system wherein you could decide where your taxes went.

Well that is not the system you get, because it would not work that way. The people selling the product sell it wholesale, not a la carte. Not everything is for sale a la carte.
If you want to rent a car, you cannot just rent the tire. You have to rent the whole thing.

Because it would not work if you let people pull apart the car.

The people selling it will not sell it to you a la carte, and are not required to do so.

Surely you think mandatory wholesale is a legitimate business practice because you are okay with hardball business practices.

[Greater vakolicci haven]

I would prefer a system wherein you could decide where your taxes went.

Well that is not the system you get, because it would not work that way. The people selling the product sell it wholesale, not a al carte. Not everything is for sale a la carte.
If you want to rent a car, you cannot just rent the tire. You have to rent the whole thing.

Because it would not work if you let people pull apart the car.

The people selling it will not sell it to you a la carte, and are not required to do so.

Sure you think mandatory wholesale is a legitimate business practice.

Pretty sure you can rent car parts. Not from car rental companies, but you can rent them.

[Salandriagado]

And you're wrong.

'pay me money or bad things will happen to you?'

No, "pay money to continue operating in our country".

[Greater vakolicci haven]

'pay me money or bad things will happen to you?'

No, "pay money to continue operating in our country".

Why are we so fixed on this idea of countries? I don't understand it. I don't have any loyalty to a country, my loyalty extends to the people I care about and who care about me.

[Salandriagado]

Fair enough. I propose this. You no longer have to pay your taxes.
But if you fail to pay your taxes you lose all rights to use public services.

You will be prohibited from driving on a public roads, and using public transportation.
You will not be given a passport. You may not call the police or fire department. You may not use a public hospital. Your house will be detached from all public infrastructure.

Fair deal. You do not get a service you do not pay for, surely you agree with that principle?

I would prefer a system wherein you could decide where your taxes went.

Why? You don't get to decide how Tescos spend the money that you give them.

[Salandriagado]

The parliament shouldn't claim to represent anybody right now.

And also, the rich have a lot more to lose financially than the poor.

Erm, no. The poor have infinitely more to lose than the rich.

[Greater vakolicci haven]

And also, the rich have a lot more to lose financially than the poor.

Erm, no. The poor have infinitely more to lose than the rich.

Of course they don't, they have less assets to lose than the rich.

[Salandriagado]

Well that is not the system you get, because it would not work that way. The people selling the product sell it wholesale, not a al carte. Not everything is for sale a la carte.
If you want to rent a car, you cannot just rent the tire. You have to rent the whole thing.

Because it would not work if you let people pull apart the car.

The people selling it will not sell it to you a la carte, and are not required to do so.

Sure you think mandatory wholesale is a legitimate business practice.

Pretty sure you can rent car parts. Not from car rental companies, but you can rent them.

No, you can't.

[Greater vakolicci haven]

I would prefer a system wherein you could decide where your taxes went.

Why? You don't get to decide how Tescos spend the money that you give them.

But I decide whether I wish Tesco to have my money. I could instead give it to another supermarket or spend the vast majority of my food shopping money at independent places and only use the supermarkets for non-perishables, if I wanted to.

[Salandriagado]

No, "pay money to continue operating in our country".

Why are we so fixed on this idea of countries? I don't understand it. I don't have any loyalty to a country, my loyalty extends to the people I care about and who care about me.

You don't have to have loyalty to the country. You just have to realise that the country owns things that you want and need, and that paying taxes is the price of access to those things. Similarly, I don't feel any loyalty to Aldi or to my landlord, but I still give both of them far more money than I give the government.

[Shamhnan Insir]

Shame it wasn't planned by Khorne, this would have been settled a long time ago. And we've have invaded Spain by now.

Imagine JRM as a Khorne Berserker lol

He's got far too much of a Slaanesh bent to him, all that nanny stuff I suppose. Not a noisemarine, more like on of the aristo-cult types.

[Greater vakolicci haven]

Why are we so fixed on this idea of countries? I don't understand it. I don't have any loyalty to a country, my loyalty extends to the people I care about and who care about me.

You don't have to have loyalty to the country. You just have to realise that the country owns things that you want and need, and that paying taxes is the price of access to those things. Similarly, I don't feel any loyalty to Aldi or to my landlord, but I still give both of them far more money than I give the government.

I don't see why you should have to buy into the whole thing though. If I have children they won't be going to state schools so why should I have to fund them? If I am sick I won't be going to an nhs hospital, and if there is some emergency which means I don't have the choice I can afford it...so why should I have to fund the nhs?

[Salandriagado]

Erm, no. The poor have infinitely more to lose than the rich.

Of course they don't, they have less assets to lose than the rich.

They have their lives to lose, because they have no reasonable way to avoid major problems. The rich can always just leave.

Why? You don't get to decide how Tescos spend the money that you give them.

But I decide whether I wish Tesco to have my money. I could instead give it to another supermarket or spend the vast majority of my food shopping money at independent places and only use the supermarkets for non-perishables, if I wanted to.

Similarly, you can decide whether you wish the UK to have your money. You could instead give it to another country, or move to some godawful shithole and grow all your own food. The fact that you haven't done so tells us that you do value the services provided to you by the government higher than you do the taxes that you pay.

[Novus America]

Well that is not the system you get, because it would not work that way. The people selling the product sell it wholesale, not a al carte. Not everything is for sale a la carte.
If you want to rent a car, you cannot just rent the tire. You have to rent the whole thing.

Because it would not work if you let people pull apart the car.

The people selling it will not sell it to you a la carte, and are not required to do so.

Sure you think mandatory wholesale is a legitimate business practice.

Pretty sure you can rent car parts. Not from car rental companies, but you can rent them.

You can buy car parts, but you cannot generally rent them. And like you said not from the car rental company.
Nobody else will be able to sell you all the government can on a la carte basis, for less than you pay in taxes. The government is a natural monopoly.
Oh and remember you only own property rights, the government has never sold off full property ownership. So you do not fully own your real property.
Because all ownership rights were never given nor sold to you.
So you are using property belonging in part to the UK government, regardless of where you are in the UK.

See the problem with your anarcho capitalism?

Some one takes control of all the land in an area, and they become the government.

The government is really just a non stock corporation or member owned entity, like a credit union.
I could say buy all the land in the US, establish it as a non stock corporation with the US Constitution as the corporate charter, make everyone born on the land members and allow the corporation to induct new members via criteria it established and BAM, the US is exactly like it was before!