UK Politics Thread X: Boris' Big Bonkers Brexit Bash

[Nova Cyberia]

Vass, I hate to tell you this but democracy is the reason why this is happening.

You see, there was a democratic referendum on Brexit and the majority of those who voted decided to leave.

But zero of them voted for no-deal.

They didn't vote for a deal either.

They were asked if they wanted to leave. They said yes. They weren't asked under what circumstances they wanted to leave.

[Nova Cyberia]

A "nou".

That's about what I expected from you.

Still ignoring the difficult parts of my post, I see.

I've already addressed them

Trust me, they aren't difficult. Nothing you post ever is.

[Nova Cyberia]

It does if Parliament is incapable of reaching a deal, which it has continually proven it is.

Parliament has repeatedly voted against the idea of a No Deal exit.

Parliament did not vote on the referendum.

[Salandriagado]

But zero of them voted for no-deal.

They didn't vote for a deal either.

They were asked if they wanted to leave. They said yes. They weren't asked under what circumstances they wanted to leave.

And thus said referendum has precisely no relevance on this discussion, because we aren't discussing whether we leave or not, but the circumstances under which we leave. Thus, your claim that this action is somehow democratically backed is simply a lie.

[Greater Loegria]

Vass, I hate to tell you this but democracy is the reason why this is happening.

You see, there was a democratic referendum on Brexit and the majority of those who voted decided to leave.

But zero of them voted for no-deal.

That’s irrelevant. It was an advisory referendum and parliament chose to heed such advice. It decided to leave.

[Vassenor]

Still ignoring the difficult parts of my post, I see.

I've already addressed them

Trust me, they aren't difficult. Nothing you post ever is.

I want you to prove that the people who voted Leave in the name of restoring the Sovereignty of Parliament voted to have that sovereignty squished by the government the second it became inconvenient. I want you to prove that the people who voted to restore the independence of the Courts voted for the Mail's ENEMIES OF THE PEOPLE shtick.

Still waiting.

[Salandriagado]

But zero of them voted for no-deal.

That’s irrelevant. It was an advisory referendum and parliament chose to heed such advice. It decided to leave.

And, very clearly, decided not to leave without a deal. Repeatedly.

[Vassenor]

Parliament has repeatedly voted against the idea of a No Deal exit.

Parliament did not vote on the referendum.

Brexit: MPs vote to reject no-deal Brexit (BBC, March 14 2019)

[Nova Cyberia]

They didn't vote for a deal either.

They were asked if they wanted to leave. They said yes. They weren't asked under what circumstances they wanted to leave.

And thus said referendum has precisely no relevance on this discussion, because we aren't discussing whether we leave or not, but the circumstances under which we leave. Thus, your claim that this action is somehow democratically backed is simply a lie.

I see. Any action to leave the EU somehow isn't democratically backed by a referendum where the majority of those who voted voted to leave the EU?

Fascinating how democratic referendums suddenly don't matter when it's convenient.

[Nova Cyberia]

I've already addressed them

Trust me, they aren't difficult. Nothing you post ever is.

I want you to prove that the people who voted Leave in the name of restoring the Sovereignty of Parliament voted to have that sovereignty squished by the government the second it became inconvenient. I want you to prove that the people who voted to restore the independence of the Courts voted for the Mail's ENEMIES OF THE PEOPLE shtick.

Still waiting.

Uh... what?

Vass, I think you're confusing me with someone else. You never said that to me.

[Vassenor]

And thus said referendum has precisely no relevance on this discussion, because we aren't discussing whether we leave or not, but the circumstances under which we leave. Thus, your claim that this action is somehow democratically backed is simply a lie.

I see. Any action to leave the EU somehow isn't democratically backed by a referendum where the majority of those who voted voted to leave the EU?

Fascinating how democratic referendums suddenly don't matter when it's convenient.

Funny how Parliamentary Sovereignty suddenly doesn't matter when it gets inconvenient.

[Salandriagado]

And thus said referendum has precisely no relevance on this discussion, because we aren't discussing whether we leave or not, but the circumstances under which we leave. Thus, your claim that this action is somehow democratically backed is simply a lie.

I see. Any action to leave the EU somehow isn't democratically backed by a referendum where the majority of those who voted voted to leave the EU?

Fascinating how democratic referendums suddenly don't matter when it's convenient.

Erm, no? That's just not even remotely what I said at all. Quit lying.

[Nova Cyberia]

Parliament did not vote on the referendum.

Brexit: MPs vote to reject no-deal Brexit (BBC, March 14 2019)

Yeah, they're incapable of reaching a deal.

[Vassenor]

Still waiting.

Uh... what?

Vass, I think you're confusing me with someone else. You never said that to me.

You seriously want me to prove that a majority of those who voted voted to leave the EU?

Would you also like to me to prove that hot water can burn you?


It provides him with a popular mandate to leave the EU which you're conveniently pretending like he doesn't have.

I want you to prove that the majority voted for the scenario we are faced with. I want you to prove that the people who voted Leave in the name of restoring the Sovereignty of Parliament voted to have that sovereignty squished by the government the second it became inconvenient. I want you to prove that the people who voted to restore the independence of the Courts voted for the Mail's ENEMIES OF THE PEOPLE shtick.

[Greater Loegria]

That’s irrelevant. It was an advisory referendum and parliament chose to heed such advice. It decided to leave.

And, very clearly, decided not to leave without a deal. Repeatedly.

That’s not in their gift. Article 50 has been triggered. We must at some point leave, on whatever terms we secure.

[Nova Cyberia]

Uh... what?

Vass, I think you're confusing me with someone else. You never said that to me.

I want you to prove that the majority voted for the scenario we are faced with. I want you to prove that the people who voted Leave in the name of restoring the Sovereignty of Parliament voted to have that sovereignty squished by the government the second it became inconvenient. I want you to prove that the people who voted to restore the independence of the Courts voted for the Mail's ENEMIES OF THE PEOPLE shtick.

I didn't even reference the Daily Mail lol I can see why I didn't think this was directed at me.

Get better material, Vass. Actually respond to what I've said. You're bringing up utterly random shit.

[Vassenor]

And, very clearly, decided not to leave without a deal. Repeatedly.

That’s not in their gift. Article 50 has been triggered. We must at some point leave, on whatever terms we secure.

A50 was designed to be revocable.

Also I'm not sure what was on your ballot paper, but mine was very much a "should", not a "must".

[Nova Cyberia]

I see. Any action to leave the EU somehow isn't democratically backed by a referendum where the majority of those who voted voted to leave the EU?

Fascinating how democratic referendums suddenly don't matter when it's convenient.

Erm, no? That's just not even remotely what I said at all. Quit lying.

But it is. The people want to leave. They didn't vote for some specific circumstance. They simply want to leave.

[Salandriagado]

And, very clearly, decided not to leave without a deal. Repeatedly.

That’s not in their gift. Article 50 has been triggered. We must at some point leave, on whatever terms we secure.

But not right now.

And literally everything is in Parliament's gift, up to and including revoking Article 50 on Tuesday. That's the point.

[Salandriagado]

Erm, no? That's just not even remotely what I said at all. Quit lying.

But it is. The people want to leave. They didn't vote for some specific circumstance. They simply want to leave.

You're still lying about what I said.

[Vassenor]

That’s not in their gift. Article 50 has been triggered. We must at some point leave, on whatever terms we secure.

But not right now.

And literally everything is in Parliament's gift, up to and including revoking Article 50 on Tuesday. That's the point.

You're forgetting that Parliament is only Sovereign and Supreme when it suits the Brexiteers.

[Vassenor]

Protests against Prorogation grind Westminster to a halt

#stopthecoup

[Nova Cyberia]

But it is. The people want to leave. They didn't vote for some specific circumstance. They simply want to leave.

You're still lying about what I said.

No, I'm not. I'm just pointing out things that are inconvenient for you.

[Nova Cyberia]

Protests against Prorogation grind Westminster to a halt

#stopthecoup

It's not a coup lmao this is so stupid.

Parliament was legally suspended after Johnson got the Queen's permission.

Why is so much of the left so hysterical these days?

[An Alan Smithee Nation]

Boris is a ledge though. Actuary doing what he said he would!

That he said he didn't want to do.