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Greater Loegria wrote:

Ifreann wrote:Says the poster who fantasises constantly about Brexit destroying society and some kind of utopia rising from the ashes.

Seeking a utopia is impossible. The word literally means ‘no place’.

A delightful bit of etymology, but obviously whether a utopia is possible or not depends on what one's idea of a utopia is.

So I've been reading up on this (mostly on BBC) and because I'm an ignorant American, not really aware of all your Parliamentary procedures/protocols. It seems that there are only 7 or 8 total working days being lost by this "suspension". Is that really so bad? When I first heard this news, I thought of it as a dissolving of Parliament, which clearly this is not.

Can't Parliament do something in the next week or so to stop this if they want to?

Ifreann wrote:

Greater Loegria wrote:Seeking a utopia is impossible. The word literally means ‘no place’.

A delightful bit of etymology, but obviously whether a utopia is possible or not depends on what one's idea of a utopia is.

Now a dystopia is something we can actually do, with minimal efforts even.

Ifreann wrote:

Greater Loegria wrote:Seeking a utopia is impossible. The word literally means ‘no place’.

A delightful bit of etymology, but obviously whether a utopia is possible or not depends on what one's idea of a utopia is.

No one’s political ideal will ever be reached. Ever.

Greater Loegria wrote:

Vassenor wrote:
So you hate the idea of independent courts as well. Interesting.

Courts independent of European jurisdiction. At the moment it seems many of our judges are happy to take laws from overseas.

And when the courts exercised that independence the Mail branded them the enemy for not ruling their preferred way.

Vassenor wrote:

Greater Loegria wrote:Courts independent of European jurisdiction. At the moment it seems many of our judges are happy to take laws from overseas.

And when the courts exercised that independence the Mail branded them the enemy for not ruling their preferred way.

Because the courts are using it to relinquish their independence.

Greater Loegria wrote:

Vassenor wrote:
And when the courts exercised that independence the Mail branded them the enemy for not ruling their preferred way.

Because the courts are using it to relinquish their independence.

In your opinion.

Vassenor wrote:

Greater Loegria wrote:Because the courts are using it to relinquish their independence.

In your opinion.

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That is literally what they are doing and they will tell you themselves that’s what they are doing.

FOR FUCK’S SAKE

Poor Boris, doing outrageous things in the UK, yet this year still being upstaged by Trump and Bolsanaro.

Even as a populist, he's third rate at best.

Greater Loegria wrote:

Vassenor wrote:
So you hate the idea of independent courts as well. Interesting.

Courts independent of European jurisdiction. At the moment it seems many of our judges are happy to take laws from overseas.

You seem to be missing the point of a common-law system.

Greater Loegria wrote:

Vassenor wrote:
In your opinion.

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That is literally what they are doing and they will tell you themselves that’s what they are doing.

FOR FUCK’S SAKE

Cool. Show the class where they said that's what they were doing.

Land Without Shrimp wrote:So I've been reading up on this (mostly on BBC) and because I'm an ignorant American, not really aware of all your Parliamentary procedures/protocols. It seems that there are only 7 or 8 total working days being lost by this "suspension". Is that really so bad? When I first heard this news, I thought of it as a dissolving of Parliament, which clearly this is not.

Obviously any time being lost at this critical juncture in British politics is bad.

Can't Parliament do something in the next week or so to stop this if they want to?

Yes, possibly.

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Greater Loegria wrote:

Ifreann wrote:A delightful bit of etymology, but obviously whether a utopia is possible or not depends on what one's idea of a utopia is.

No one’s political ideal will ever be reached. Ever.

That's a nice belief you have there.

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Greater Loegria wrote:

Vassenor wrote:
In your opinion.

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That is literally what they are doing and they will tell you themselves that’s what they are doing.

FOR FUCK’S SAKE

If that's what courts are saying then you should be able to quote them saying so.

Salandriagado wrote:

Greater Loegria wrote:Courts independent of European jurisdiction. At the moment it seems many of our judges are happy to take laws from overseas.

You seem to be missing the point of a common-law system.

Excuse me?

Vassenor wrote:

Greater Loegria wrote:.....

That is literally what they are doing and they will tell you themselves that’s what they are doing.

FOR FUCK’S SAKE

Cool. Show the class where they said that's what they were doing.

You'd like me to find you a single court case in which a British court applied a European law? You do realise that European union law is supreme in the UK, as in every European union member, right?

Rumours that Ruth Davidson may quit.

So the petition against prorogation is knocking on for 550K signatures.

The New California Republic wrote:Rumours that Ruth Davidson may quit.

I've heard she already has quit.

She'll make an announcement tomorrow: https://www.bbc.com/news/uk-scotland-49502861

The New California Republic wrote:Rumours that Ruth Davidson may quit.

Shame really, when I leafleted about she seemed to be popular with a lot of Scots even those not explicitly Tory.

‘She’s nae bad’ was the usual remark.

Land Without Shrimp wrote:So I've been reading up on this (mostly on BBC) and because I'm an ignorant American, not really aware of all your Parliamentary procedures/protocols. It seems that there are only 7 or 8 total working days being lost by this "suspension". Is that really so bad? When I first heard this news, I thought of it as a dissolving of Parliament, which clearly this is not.

Can't Parliament do something in the next week or so to stop this if they want to?

It takes a while to pass almost anything through the commons: it's not a "one vote and done" thing. You have to jump through some hoops to get it even brought to motion, then go through the emergency procedures to get through it quickly enough, then hope that the Lords also get through it quickly enough and don't make any amendments.

Boris is a ledge though. Actuary doing what he said he would!

The Nihilistic view wrote:Boris is a ledge though. Actuary doing what he said he would!

Local Man Fucks Sixty Million People At Once

It's easy to do what you say when you've taken pretty much every standpoint available in a desperate attempt to find something that sticks.

The Nihilistic view wrote:Boris is a ledge though. Actuary doing what he said he would!

Imagine actually falling for BoJo's clown antics.

Johnson has officially suspended Parliament.

The reaction from the MPs can only be described as "hoes mad".