Ifreann wrote:Old Tyrannia wrote:I think we'll have to agree to disagree on this. I don't think remaining in the EU should be an option at this stage, and if we were to have a second referendum and a majority voted to remain I personally would feel that democracy had been manipulated to frustrate the ambitions of those of us who have wished to leave all along. I suspect I would not be the only leave voter to feel that way, and that would be quite dangerous.
Democracy being manipulated how?
By having a vote, getting the answer the elites did not want, and sabotaging the process in order to put the general population off the whole project before having them vote again. What happens when leavers demand a best of three?
Nakena wrote:Old Tyrannia wrote:To be honest at this point a Corbyn government does not scare me the way that it used to. If Corbyn was able to negotiate some kind of amicable exit from the EU and keep the union together, well, I'll never like the man but I would respect him far more than any other Prime Minister in my lifetime. He certainly couldn't do a worse job than the current administration. I'm so frustrated with the political right in this country at the moment that the other day I genuinely thought about joining the Labour Party. There have been times in our country's past when the socialists have proven to be truer patriots than the so-called conservatives, and with the Tories set on a path that could lead to the dissolution of the United Kingdom I've wondered if this might prove to be one of those times.
Not everything is what it appears or claims to be. Certainly not so in our current times.
A cryptic remark that makes you sound knowing but doesn't actually mean much by itself? You ought to go into politics, Nakena.
Souseiseki wrote:I think we'll have to agree to disagree on this. I don't think remaining in the EU should be an option at this stage, and if we were to have a second referendum and a majority voted to remain I personally would feel that democracy had been manipulated to frustrate the ambitions of those of us who have wished to leave all along. I suspect I would not be the only leave voter to feel that way, and that would be quite dangerous.
how do you think remain voters would feel if they genuinely thought the country might have changed its mind on brexit and that the country should have the option of reconsidering the idea but leavers kept trying to block it until it was too late? putting aside the rest of the brexit mess.
The difference here is that remain voters have already lost a vote. Tell me, if we had voted to remain in the EU do you think there'd be a further vote three years later to determine if people had changed their minds? Almost certainly not. I don't think the referendum was a particularly good way to make this decision as a country in the first place, but I don't think that can be resolved with more referendums.
