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What is your favoured form of brexit?

Mays deal
28
5%
EFTA
36
6%
Some other sort of deal (please elaborate in the comments)
24
4%
Mays deal without Irish backstop
9
2%
No deal
132
23%
No deal+ (no deal minus NI and Scotland)
20
4%
I want a second referendum
208
37%
Revoke article 50 without even calling a referendum
105
19%
 
Total votes : 562

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Austria-Bohemia-Hungary wrote:Is imagining or encompassing deposing HM the Queen against Her Will High Treason?

Yes, although the laws in question are no longer actively enforced, and probably won't be until I take power and the purges begin.

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Greater vakolicci haven wrote:Nothing could turn more royalists republican.

Firstly, no research has been done that I am aware of to say that royalists all (or, even as a majority) support Brexit.

Secondly, if we got a republican system, that works for me, too. We'd have an elected upper house, similar to Congress and with the power to block any of the Prime Minister's attempts to pass executive orders (unlike the House of Lords, whose function I sometimes question).

Royal prerogative or an upper house -- either/or -- no national leader should ever have the right of circumventing elected officials.

Right now, we have a queen with royal prerogative. As one of the sole remaining arguments was that the referendum was a democratic vote (as the promise about the NHS cannot be fulfilled, economic arguments are falling by the wayside as more businesses flee, and the government predicts shortages of medicines, food and fuel -- meaning it's hard to call it "project fear" anymore), supporting the undermining democracy to force it through seems to be a somewhat hypocritical action.

I mean, sure, you still have the old total sovereignty argument. But total sovereignty weighed against guaranteed access to trading partners with equivalent food and rights standards, employment, food, medicines, fuel, economic stability... Things that make peoples' daily lives better?

High ideals don't put food in stomachs.

I wouldn't choose an elected upper house honestly. The commons passes it, but if there's enough demand for it it goes to referendum.
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And your solution for that is to put our laws at the mercy of the US and anyone else who feels like naming terms for trade deals

It’s a matter of principle. De jure ties to supranational legislative and judicial bodies ought to be severed. It’s not going to be the first time we deepthroat the Yanks, as sorry a state of affairs as it is.

Brexit was always going to be a catastrophic clusterfuck but the idea that our institutions can be superseded is simply not stomach-able. We should never have joined in the first place.

It's strange that on the one hand you seem to think that the supremacy of British institutions must be upheld, no matter the cost to the British people, but on the other hand you seem support those institutions being shut down and their power thwarted.
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Old Tyrannia wrote:
Austria-Bohemia-Hungary wrote:Is imagining or encompassing deposing HM the Queen against Her Will High Treason?

Yes, although the laws in question are no longer actively enforced, and probably won't be until I take power and the purges begin.

Bring on the motorbike death squads tbh
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Postby Austria-Bohemia-Hungary » Wed Aug 28, 2019 2:56 am

Boris should just legally change his name into James III, King.
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Greater Loegria wrote:
Old Tyrannia wrote:Yes, although the laws in question are no longer actively enforced, and probably won't be until I take power and the purges begin.

Bring on the motorbike death squads tbh

Are they friendly?
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Postby Greater Loegria » Wed Aug 28, 2019 2:56 am

Ifreann wrote:
Greater Loegria wrote:It’s a matter of principle. De jure ties to supranational legislative and judicial bodies ought to be severed. It’s not going to be the first time we deepthroat the Yanks, as sorry a state of affairs as it is.

Brexit was always going to be a catastrophic clusterfuck but the idea that our institutions can be superseded is simply not stomach-able. We should never have joined in the first place.

It's strange that on the one hand you seem to think that the supremacy of British institutions must be upheld, no matter the cost to the British people, but on the other hand you seem support those institutions being shut down and their power thwarted.

No, the supremacy of British sovereignty. If the institutions need to be thwarted to achieve independence then so be it.

Our institutions are packed the rafters with globalist quislings.
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Postby Ifreann » Wed Aug 28, 2019 2:57 am

Greater vakolicci haven wrote:
Greater Loegria wrote:Bring on the motorbike death squads tbh

Are they friendly?

Death squads in general tend not to be.
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Greater vakolicci haven wrote:
Greater Loegria wrote:Bring on the motorbike death squads tbh

Are they friendly?

No.
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Should I change the name of this thread? I've just realised that where it goes off the screen on 'latest threads,' it displays as 'Boris' big bonk.'

That's not an image anyone needs in their heads.
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Postby Greater vakolicci haven » Wed Aug 28, 2019 2:58 am

Greater Loegria wrote:
Greater vakolicci haven wrote:Are they friendly?

No.

What would they do?
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Postby Ifreann » Wed Aug 28, 2019 2:58 am

Greater Loegria wrote:
Ifreann wrote:It's strange that on the one hand you seem to think that the supremacy of British institutions must be upheld, no matter the cost to the British people, but on the other hand you seem support those institutions being shut down and their power thwarted.

No, the supremacy of British sovereignty. If the institutions need to be thwarted to achieve independence then so be it.

Our institutions are packed the rafters with globalist quislings.

Globalist quislings such as the Queen?
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Postby Austria-Bohemia-Hungary » Wed Aug 28, 2019 2:59 am

Ifreann wrote:
Greater Loegria wrote:No, the supremacy of British sovereignty. If the institutions need to be thwarted to achieve independence then so be it.

Our institutions are packed the rafters with globalist quislings.

Globalist quislings such as the Queen?

*Boristhonk*
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Postby Esheaun Stroakuss » Wed Aug 28, 2019 2:59 am

I don't like what Boris Johnson is doing at the moment tbh.
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Postby Greater vakolicci haven » Wed Aug 28, 2019 3:00 am

Ifreann wrote:
Greater Loegria wrote:No, the supremacy of British sovereignty. If the institutions need to be thwarted to achieve independence then so be it.

Our institutions are packed the rafters with globalist quislings.

Globalist quislings such as the Queen?

If she turns out to be, yes.
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Postby The Free Joy State » Wed Aug 28, 2019 3:02 am

Old Tyrannia wrote:
Austria-Bohemia-Hungary wrote:Is imagining or encompassing deposing HM the Queen against Her Will High Treason?

Yes, although the laws in question are no longer actively enforced, and probably won't be until I take power and the purges begin.

Thank you for the advance warning of your bloody glorious rule. I have now begun saving for my passage to a non-extradition country.

Greater vakolicci haven wrote:Should I change the name of this thread? I've just realised that where it goes off the screen on 'latest threads,' it displays as 'Boris' big bonk.'

So that's how he plans to get us those trade deals!
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Postby Greater Loegria » Wed Aug 28, 2019 3:04 am

Greater vakolicci haven wrote:
Greater Loegria wrote:No.

What would they do?

Round up and execute people.
Ifreann wrote:
Greater Loegria wrote:No, the supremacy of British sovereignty. If the institutions need to be thwarted to achieve independence then so be it.

Our institutions are packed the rafters with globalist quislings.

Globalist quislings such as the Queen?

If the House of Windsor stoops so low as to betray the ancient nations of the English, Welsh, Scots and Ulstermen then yes. They would have to be removed.
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Postby Greater Loegria » Wed Aug 28, 2019 3:06 am

Greater vakolicci haven wrote:Should I change the name of this thread? I've just realised that where it goes off the screen on 'latest threads,' it displays as 'Boris' big bonk.'

That's not an image anyone needs in their heads.

I think it’s quite funny tbh.

Cabinet bonk.
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Postby Old Tyrannia » Wed Aug 28, 2019 3:06 am

Greater Loegria wrote:
Old Tyrannia wrote:Yes, although the laws in question are no longer actively enforced, and probably won't be until I take power and the purges begin.

Bring on the motorbike death squads tbh

Given everything that you've revealed about yourself since joining this forum, I'm shocked that you haven't realised yet that you'll be on the first boat to the South Georgia internment camp.
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Ifreann wrote:Globalist quislings such as the Queen?

If she turns out to be, yes.

And you.
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Postby Austria-Bohemia-Hungary » Wed Aug 28, 2019 3:06 am

Greater Loegria wrote:If the House of Windsor stoops so low as to betray the ancient nations of the English, Welsh, Scots and Ulstermen then yes. They would have to be removed.

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Postby Gravlen » Wed Aug 28, 2019 3:07 am

Remember when the Tories were against a second referendum because it could undermine confidence in the democratic system?

Good times.
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Postby Greater Loegria » Wed Aug 28, 2019 3:08 am

Austria-Bohemia-Hungary wrote:
Greater Loegria wrote:Globalist quislings such as the Queen?

If the House of Windsor stoops so low as to betray the ancient nations of the English, Welsh, Scots and Ulstermen then yes. They would have to be removed.

"I... swear by Almighty God that I will be faithful and bear true allegiance to Her Majesty Queen Elizabeth II, Her Heirs and Successors, and that I will, as in duty bound, honestly and faithfully defend Her Majesty, Her Heirs and Successors, in Person, Crown and Dignity against all enemies, and will observe and obey all orders of Her Majesty, Her Heirs and Successors, and of the (admirals / generals/ air officers) and officers set over me."
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Ifreann wrote:It's strange that on the one hand you seem to think that the supremacy of British institutions must be upheld, no matter the cost to the British people, but on the other hand you seem support those institutions being shut down and their power thwarted.

No, the supremacy of British sovereignty. If the institutions need to be thwarted to achieve independence then so be it.

Our institutions are packed the rafters with globalist quislings.

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Postby Greater vakolicci haven » Wed Aug 28, 2019 3:08 am

Old Tyrannia wrote:
Greater Loegria wrote:Bring on the motorbike death squads tbh

Given everything that you've revealed about yourself since joining this forum, I'm shocked that you haven't realised yet that you'll be on the first boat to the South Georgia internment camp.
Greater vakolicci haven wrote:If she turns out to be, yes.

And you.

I'd have thought so earlier anyway...I've never been very loyal to this country. Could you send me to the American Georgia though instead please, not the one in the middle of nowhere? Better bbq.
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